Forum Post: Abolish Money
Posted 13 years ago on Sept. 29, 2011, 10:11 a.m. EST by 666isMONEY
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As I said before, ever since the CIA killed JFK (Gerald Ford was on Warren Commission, Ronald Reagan was on the Rockefeller Commission on CIA Activities in the US, which whitewashed CIA involvement, Bush Sr. was head of CIA) . . . all presidents were selected by the plutocrats and corporations found loopholes in the laws to fund elections. Ending corporate personhood (one of the most popular "demands" for OWS) will change little or nothing. ABOLISH MONEY!
Many famous ppl believed in eliminating money. Edward Bellamy wrote a novel called "Looking Backwards" 1887. The book was very popular and was a part of the Populist Party agenda.
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Giving your NEGATIVE Energy to something only GIVES your (-) time and Energy to it. (duh)
So I'm curious John. What solutions are you presenting?" The list is nearly endless. Geothermal power, localization of economics, permaculture, self sufficient community.. I have real solutions. Most relevant to THIS discussion lets talk about PHRASING things in an ADULT and LUCID manner instead of just becoming anti capitalism trolls. " Any movements you're a part of that you agree with in ideology, or are you just here to criticize actual movements?" I agree with the general direction of tzm. I'm just sick and tired of all the stupid and evil and stupid and evil which tzm keeps heaping on to make my job of saving the humans far more difficult.
"Instead, I have you talking smack about the killmoney perspective," perspective? now your trolling lingo is a whole perspective? " calling it violent and saying other absurd things." there is nothing absurd about pointing out that kill money is a violent and anti science and anti intellectual meme. " John, you should know me by now, I don't believe in violence, " then preach solutions, not violence. "I just believe in the death of an age old notion, that actually proves to be most violent idea outside of WMD's." great, and i agree with that in principle which is exactly why i'd like to not have all my allies making us all look like frigging 13 year olds who can't tell the difference between violence and real world problem solving process. " So stop the sillyness john, " you stop the sillyness. please. "there are better ways you can go about any differences you have with my ppoints of view" i have run this lame meme over and over and over and ever again with tzmers. i have been nice, i have been kind, i have been diplomatic. You all don't listen, and you keep in essence taking us down the road towards doom. I'd like to have REAL allies, not stupid anticapitalists making us all look bad with punk azz moron propaganda which any ADULT wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.
John Bassist again with the "kill" meme. sigh.
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Andre Burrell John Bassist = paranoid troll.
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John Bassist bull. I'm no kind of troll. the "kill" meme is stupid and evil.
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John Bassist thats the problem with tzmers. They have only violence and stupid rhetoric based in violence- not one whit of sophistication or depth or real solutions... just more death and evil to add to the problem.
10 hours ago · Like
John Bassist and THEN they want to make it everybody elses fault and problem, and diabolize everyone else... when they are the ones running stupid and evil.
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John Bassist
"kill money". 90 percent of the food people eat on this planet is attached to 9 pounds of fuel for every pound of food. if you just kill money, the food distribution network fails and then everyone DIES. Killing money is not a solution, it...See More
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John Bassist Thats NOT a TRANSITION PLAN, its an adolescent ego trip
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Andre Burrell See what I mean?
:)
9 hours ago · Like
Andre Burrell So I'm curious John. What solutions are you presenting? Any movements you're a part of that you agree with in ideology, or are you just here to criticize actual movements?
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Lorenzo Segarra
Because ppl need money for survival? John please......stop trolling; your better than this. PS - I sent you an email over a month ago looking to collaborate, have yet to hear anything. Instead, I have you talking smack about the killmoney p...See More
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John Bassist I'm not trolling. "Kill money" is a problem meme, its exactly whats wrong with tzm in one meme. Not a solution, not a problem solving process, not a transition plan; more violence. more stupid ignorant trolling. Whos trolling? your proposing we "kill money" your trolling money live. I'm the one asking you to grow The F up.
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John Bassist
"Instead, I have you talking smack about the killmoney perspective," perspective? now your trolling lingo is a whole perspective? " calling it violent and saying other absurd things." there is nothing absurd about pointing out that kill m...See More
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John Bassist
"So I'm curious John. What solutions are you presenting?" The list is nearly endless. Geothermal power, localization of economics, permaculture, self sufficient community.. I have real solutions. Most relevant to THIS discussion lets talk...See More
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John Bassist "kill money" is not a transition plan. Its a stupid, evil, violent, pointless, non solution, its an infantile and pathetic and ignorant non solution, its exactly why we can't get scientists involved in your so called movement. Stop being stupid ignorant infantile adolescent trolls and start being a social movement. You can't do both. Choose.
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John Bassist which is it? social movement? or anti capitalism troll cult? You seem to have already unfortunately made up your mind. I don't hang time with trolls people get the idea somehow that i'm one of them... you know... the whole bit about being careful about what your freinds say about you.
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Lorenzo Segarra
John chill out here bro,we are all on the same team. Its clear that there are some communication issues here. I think its clear the kill money project isn't something you've taken the time out to understand, so please let's clear the air. E...See More
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John Bassist
"ohn chill out here bro,we are all on the same team. Its clear that there are some communication issues here. I think its clear the kill money project isn't something you've taken the time out to understand," Nor am i going to take any tim...See More
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Andre Burrell No point. Bassist = Paranoid troll with mental issues :-\
I've dealt with him in the Shit's Got to Go group and he's the same way. Just repeats the same thing with no particular reasoning as to why he believes what he does. Just a troll with a fake profile :-\
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John Bassist i love that its so obvious who the real trolls are. The trolls are the people with no solutions, who are proposing and promulgating social violence, while they merely attack and demean corporatism. I'm the problem solver, and that makes the "kill" meme and you people trolling with it my problem. Andre just another fine example of trapped matrix mind. Projecting your collective shadow at me instead of seeing the simple truth; which is in this case that "kill money" is a wrecklessly infantile meme, which alienates more people than it convinces and which operates in actuality to absolve you of any REAL RESPONSIBILITY , prevent you or anyone from doing the actual work, a stupid, irresponsible and patently evil meme which in essence allows you to define only the social violence you intend to do and double think that your not doing. I'm the lucid, I have the real solutions, but your going to draw on and swipe and slash at me; because your a bunch of brain dead "kill money" zombies instead of participants in any kind of real social movement, or social evoluitionary event. Your giving the capitalist the black pawns they need to scare their sheeple stupid and dupe them; your only serving the "socialism" fear machine. Your just GIVING the elites the villains they need to make it seem like its either their way or debased anarchistic immoral unethical insanity. "kill" who do you think that turns on aside from people already convinced money is a problem? Get real. Grow up.
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John Bassist Accusing me of having mental issues. What a bunch of evil bastards TZM is. When you can't handle the truth you attack somebodies sanity. Who are the real trolls? excuse me?
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John Bassist and my profile is completely real. name one thing not real about it.
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John Bassist Andre Burrel = sleepwalking TZM cult zombie; out trolling against the truth and anybody who knows whats real and calling us the trolls when deep down inside you all know he is. Your all playing a stupid evil secret unsecret game. You know darn well i'm the one with the truth and the light and the real information. but you'd rather be on the moral high ground and have your evil cult club than facilitate real social evolution- because TZMers are universally afraid of WORK. And thats all "kill money " is- a means to the end of defining the problem so that its all crime and no sweat. Violence. violence which you SAY you don't REALLY mean.. but which you carry out- every day- against the truth- and people like me bothering to tell it. Put down your swords and step away from human extinction. "Kill money" is just one more path to everybody dies. Not a transition plan.
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John Bassist A transition plan means we USE money, We EVOLVE money, We TRANSCEND money. "Kill" does not enter into that. noway. nohow. ever.
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John Bassist A transition plan means we grow our own food, form our own communities, and build new and evolutionary civil infrastructures and transition into possible futures with all of the trappings of Star Trek. A transition plan means localization, tribalization, self sufficiency, and a new kind of super corporation or super community which is self sufficient to build anything anybody wants. Nowhere in any of that is there any "kill."
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John Bassist We GROW out of money the long hard slog evolutionary way. Not suddenly. Not kill. Not death. Not fight. Not moneywar. We arrive at no money not by putting that in front of us, as a goal, but as an incidental bi product of technological and economic singularity. We do need to end money. But not as adolsecent juvenile delinquint trolls out calling for the DEATH of things... but as agents of evolutionary process who are wisely using the current system plus our new evolutionary strategies until at some future moment money becomes incidentally obsolete. Quit your evil pathetic sin city whining and preaching and GET TO THE WORK for human evolution.
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"ohn chill out here bro,we are all on the same team. Its clear that there are some communication issues here. I think its clear the kill money project isn't something you've taken the time out to understand," Nor am i going to take any time to understand it, nor will any other reasonable people. Its a wrong and pig headed violent meme. period. "kill." the end. Thats violent. thats not a solution. thats a big frigging extra problem. " so please let's clear the air. Everyone who knows mr killmoney isn't about anything violent, its just my way of bringing mainstream attention to the issue at hand, " Grow up with your communication. Whether you intend it as violent or not it is still violent. you saying you don't intend violent only makes us go.. wow.. this gy is not actually like paying attention to the MEANING of the WORDS hes using. "which is the way the monetary shit-stem has paralyzed humanity. I chose such a vulgar and pornographic meme because I felt it best captures the current crisis in a very simple, direct and catchy phrase." it captures the ignorance, stupidity, lack of real solutions, and arrogant infantile egotism very effectively. " It has proven to be a great icebreaker for starting a conversation of the the monetary shit-stem." great.... you prolly have no idea how many more people it just turns off. " I have never in any of my posts, blogs, or aanywhere in my perspective have suggested that violent actions be taken towards anyone anywhere," sorry, "kill money" is a suggestion of violence. period. Whether you intend it or not thats what the words mean. " no do I personally believe that violence is a solution for any problem. " irrelevant. If you don't believe in violence stop promoting it. "Again, im saying to kill money, money which is just an idea or a notion. " the consequences of such an action are systemic and real and clearly a whole lot deeper and more complicated than you have bothered to imagine. "The same way we killed the "flat-earth" notion, im suggesting we kill the money notion." Fine, that i can agree with almost... its not patently offensive. But thats not what you said you did not say "kill the idea of money." you said "kill money." in any case, its an irrational non solution which tells us everything about your maturity in this. " If its still not clear, please, do ask clarifying questions, ill be happy to share my thoughts. " I don't need any clarification. The meme is stupid, irrational, violent, pointless, and causes serious damage to the ability of people like me to convince average jos to move out of their matrix mind. Your shooting the real effort for evolution in the foot. thanks to stupid memes like this, people imagine stupid cluelss ignorant rebels without a clue when they think of anti capitalsts. Your causing me and everyone whos doing actual work MORE load to carry and more problems to solve. "Remember, we are here for each other, " then grow up and start working the problems as an adult. "not against. I don't care about your experiences with other tzm;ers, I would hope by know that a few bad apples (in your eyes) don't speak for every other apple tree out there. You should know this about me by know. and if there are those that suspect your a troll, well its because you have what some could consider a "fake profile". " thats ludicrous. i live transparently and every day i am out there making a real difference while everyone else pisses it all off. "Sure I wear a mask as mr killmoney, but ppl have met me, I've been on on broadcasts that have aired all over the world revealng my true identity. In fact, you can learn who most of my relatives are, who im married to, and etc, right here on fb, which is far from what one could conclude from your page. Im not saying this is some sort of shown-n-tell contest, but to hope you understand just a little bit when folks don't take you as serious as you claim to be. Dude, I am with you, you can ask james kush, my extension of friendship is the genuine article, so please, let's continue to explore ways on hashing out our differences, and come together for the sake of humanity;past+present+future" I need ADULT allies to facilitate REAL social and evolutionary change. "Kill money" is one more propaganda warfare ignorant social suicide meme which make my life ten times harder. You should have thought this through. Maybe its time to start.
I should just give up hope and get out of Babylon . . . I've been talking about eliminating money for 30-years and many famous ppl before me too. Time to fight is over --- signs of the times says it's time to flee. Wall $treet is the heart of Babylon.
talking about eliminating money for 30 years- gee- sorry-- you wasted all that time. Maybe you can grow up now and do the adult work that allows us to eliminate money by giving up the meme and getting to work on evolutionary paths that would make money obsolete.
Modern machinery has made money obsolete.
not until we form self sufficient communities that manufacture their own goods. Economic singularity is inevitable. If people like you can GROW UP.
Self-sufficient communities are great if U expect babylon to fall.
Modern machinery, like computers and tractors are great and have made money obsolete. Here's some quotes for U to ponder:
The final step is when the new socialist [communist] society reaches the stage where profit and money disappear. It is through transforming society into a fully productive society, and through reaching in production a level where the material needs of the members of society are satisfied. On that final stage, profit will automatically disappear and there will be no need for money. -- MUAMMAR AL GADDAFI, The Green Book: The Solution of the Economic Problem, pt. 2 (1977)
Finally, when all capital, all production, and all exchange are concentrated in the hands of the people, private ownership will automatically have ceased to exist, money will have become superfluous, and production will have so increased and men will be so much changed that the last forms of the old social relations will also be able to fall away. -- F. ENGELS, Principals of Communism, 1847
no, self sufficient communities are HOW we gain leverage against the macro economic system. There is not going to be a new socialist or communist system, there is going to be a new democratic system. These quotes sound neat, but thats not the actual path thats going to happen and its not evolutionary process- just communist ideology.
The "actual path" I see is Babylon falling. As I have said, I have been at this for 30-years. No one is listening including my own family . . . I give up. U$A had BAD karma and deserves to fall. I'm looking to get outta Babylon and to escape to a sustainable community or country.
How is New York City ever going to be a self-sufficient community . . . where will your "communities" be set up?
A true communist beleives in eliminating money.
Peace & Love!
i'm not a communist. communism is a dead ideology and has no place in any adult conversation. I am pro democracy . Any genuine democracy has egalitarian social services to balance its free market system. If babylon "falls" everyone dies. Thats not a solution, its an evil sentiment. You can grow all the food you need to eat in theory in a tray stack system only 5 feet cubed. It might be best for most people to simply leave New York.
No way U can grow all Ur food in "only 5-feet cubed".
Call if "communism" or whatever U want but money is obsolete -- ppl don't realize that because they're brainwashed and hope to win the lottery.
Democracy is mob rule. Technocracy (and to abolish money) is what we need.
yes, you can grow all your food in such a cube assuming a vegan diet. saying money is obsolete and doing the work to make it so are two different things. Technocracy is a form of oligarchy and will tend to always be fascistic, another non solution from ideology- not science. I'm interested in science facts. Mob rule is ochliocracy. Genuine open source democracy is NOT mob rule.
I'm vegan. For one year, as an experiment I lived on nothing but corn & soybeans (with vitamin C & salt), about 1200 calories/day. I didn't lose or gain any weight. it's physically impossible to grow 1200 calories/day in such a 5-foot cube.
We don't need government or laws. We need equitable technocratic distribution.
Maybe "civilisation" has not evolved/matured enough to eliminate money, laws and international boundaries and U$A has BAD karma and deserves to fall. The world can't be saved without a fall. Sad but true. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. "Be prepared." -- Boy Scout motto.
I'm sorry, it is quite possible, you don't seem to understand how far evolved things have gotten. Tray stacked permaculture and aquaculture, growing fast growing leafy crops can do it. Its been done. So its not impossible. We do need government and laws or the result is anarchy and then civilization falls. we need evolutionary process and direction, not doomsday worshipping.
its hard to believe you could be at this for 30 years and be so ignorant.
I believe it is U who is ignoring, reality, science, truth, the signs of the times. Did I mention global warming, geometric world population growth, the funny-money games played on Wall $treet and peak oil? It's all hitting the fan at once. I don't see any real solution except to eliminate money and I don't see that happening. Babylon is going to fall. Ppl think a Messiah or science is going to save them, lol. They crucified Christ for telling the truth. Jesus (if he existed) upset the tables of the moneychangers, told his disciples to carry no money and said, "U can't serve God & money" (but the Pharisees, who loved money heard all this and scoffed -- Luke 16). The Pharisees are out there today and call themselves "Christians."
you can believe all you like. i have knowledge, so i know. global warming is a problem fer sure. geometric population growth, er. not so much. there is an ecological foot print per capita problem and no problem with mere population for at least another few thousand years. peak oil was 2004. You don't see any real solution. Maybe you need to dig into some textbooks. You contributing to the entropy isn't helping matters.
Do U like LSD? (I do too.)
"Pride goeth before a fall." (U think U know everything.)
My older sister is an expert in peak oil (she has written lotsa papers and goes to seminars) and she does not believe there's a solution that will save us from peak oil.
If/when the price of oil goes much higher, it will ruin the economy.
U think geometric world population is "not so much" of a problem! Tell that to the Islamic nations in the Middle East, Africa & SE Asia.
For the fun of it, check out my website: http://666ismoney.com/
yeah, what did i say. there is an ecological foot print per capita problem. How large a space each of us takes to live on the earth. Right now your taking up thousands of acres. That can be compressed including vertical stacking down to 3 or 5 square feet. There is no population problem, thats how the elites phrase the problem as they then make the case to themselves to kill us all off and depopulate. the carrying capacity of the earth when calculated with science is in quadrillions of persons. You have swallowed a bitter propaganda meme pill designed to get you used to the idea that the problem is too many people. thats what the elites think in order to justify to themselves the social darwinism they put us through.
I don't want to live on an earth with quadrillions.
IMO: U$A is overpopulated. I grew up in the 60's, Colorado was a nice place then, it's trashed now. Not many ppl want to live in west Texas. India, Africa, the Middle east & China are not pleasent places to live for the majority of ppl. Their birthrates (except China) are unsustainable. Nearly all the corn in U$A (that is not exported) is fed to cows. Ppl could eat that. Cows contribute 20% of global warming.
I still have hope/faith in miracles. A miracle I dream about is a bunch of famous people gathering together to abolish money.
I have been watching http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution quite a bit and have seen several famous ppl give their support to eliminate money. Tomorrow at 4pm a BIG surprise is supposed to happen.
(Another famous person.)
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i don't want to either, but, we won't, so don't worry. The problem is congestion of civil infrastructures. Global warming solutions is about switching to geothermal energy and electric cars