Forum Post: A Strong Warning to OWS and Occupy Together
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 13, 2011, 7:45 a.m. EST by PeoplehaveDNA
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This content is user submitted and not an official statement
(Well actually it is advice because I am concerned)
Remember what you are there for you are there to see the (numbers) go up or down depending on what we are talking about. But focus on the numbers not words!!!!!!
I know most of you are already doing this in OWS but you absolutely must do this in order to survive!!!
Do not let politicians, bankers, and celebrities coddle you or "pretend sympathize" with you this includes people who have sympathized with similar causes in the past. Throw them out if they don't have manners!!!
If these people show up out of the blue at OWS (Don't) let them address the crowed as a whole or the general assembly. They should get your permission first. Do not be celebrity struck no matter who comes to visit.
Shut down these "pretend sympathizers" from the beginning. State what results you want and say that if they don't deliver they are going to lose your (vote, donation, money, love, whatever). Some times you have to be a son of a bitch to make your point and after all these people are no better than you. Do you want to react to these people in a way that makes them seem better than you? After all many of these "pretend sympathizers" will turn on you in a heart beat I seen it.
Agreed. No one gets the people's mic without being on stack at a GA.
Be boisterous and relentless if Fox News shows up. Drown them out and shut them down.
Finally, let no politician speak as it will certainly lead to attempts to co-opt the movement. For instance, video of Van Jones expressing support for the movement flew around the Internet the other day. Van Jones is a former Obama stooge and is tying to pump up his own "Rebuild the Dream" campaign. He is a dedicated Democrat and an ardent party supporter. Video of him supports other people's notions that this is a movement by and for Democrats. Don't fall into these traps.
This is damn good advise.
This was never meant to be a rebellion or an anti-political movement. This was supposed to be a gathering to get what we want.
Shut down fox news? Don't talk to politicians? We will never get anywhere focusing on negative feelings. We should be focusing on the postive-which is our solution and goals.
Love kindness and understanding...but sometimes you have to get their attention first.
All I have to say is: trust results not words. No results no love!!!. Don't be caught in the web of promises and false hope!!! Stay strong!!! Oh and you are going to have a lot of people trying to adopt you don't let them this neutralizes your power.
agreed...
I posted a slightly different version of this message in another thread. However, it’s supremely relevant here, IMO.
The danger to this movement that an “alliance” with the reactionary fraud that is the Democratic Party presents cannot be overstated. Working from within that organization should not even be contemplated until the political establishment has made many SOLID concessions. Their rhetoric, in other words, should be ignored. Additionally, under no circumstances should those charlatans be allowed to portray themselves as the side of compromise and cooperation. The nature of such a lie should be obvious to anyone who's ever read a newspaper or a histroy book.
Actually, if this system of political power, based as it is on two institutionalized “parties” of the state (Those two “parties” are supported by repressive ballot-access laws in most states. Since they owe their position in government substantially to rule of law, they are official organs of the state.), concedes anything in the way of genuine reform, it will only be to keep the better part of their system of merciless plunder intact. Therefore, I would agree that cooperation with the Democratic Party is not the way to go.
Moving beyond the perceived lines of political division in this country is a matter of dire political necessity, as is moving beyond a mindset that cannot transcend the rigid mental boundaries that have been drilled into the collective American mind be the sham (official) “two-party” system. The American people, from all political traditions, need to understand that the brutal parasites who control Washington care absolutely nothing for ideology, apart from that “ideology” which serves their selfish interests. In fact , it is unknown what a two-party system based on democracy would look like. Likely the economic interests of ordinary Americans would be better protected in a democracy.
don't cut out the eye in spite of the blemish
Exactly, state "what results you want", which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive strategy, and related candidate, that implements all our demands at the same time, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategic Legal Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
if you want to be 1 of 100,000 people needed to support a Presidential Candidate – such as myself or another you'd like to draft – at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform.
to true!
Agreed - they should put their money where their mouth is. Actions always speak louder than words. OWS shouldn't be a forum for folks to build their own PR!
Agree. All people equal under liberty.
http://www.knowyourvalues.org/propaganda
http://www.knowyourvalues.org/swiftboat
Get on stack. Get on stack. Get on stack.
There are some posters on this Forum who are saying that OWS should not march on Washington because it will embarrass the president and the Democratic party. Doesn't that make OWS an arm of the Democratic Party? Is that true? Isn't OWS non-partisan? How can it be the 99% if it aligns itself with any political party? How can the OWS movement be effective if it does not make its views known in the nation's seat of power Washington DC?
Oh yeah sorry if i came off too bossy in my initial post but I think you guys will be a lot better telling these attention whores to frak off. Besides you don't need them any more to get publicity.
I don't mind celebs or even some media helping the cause. I do mind politicians getting involved. Obama, Ron Paul, etc, all of them can get on line and protest if they want to, but if this is to succeed it cannot be co-opted by any party. The major parties are the problem and the party's over.
food for thought indeed.
Never ever trust a politician or the corporate media.
I agree. Some B list actress is not a good spokesperson for any cause. Do not let OWS be co-opted by attention seekers,r especially politicians.
focus on the getting money out of politics, who cares if someone is rich if they don't use it to distort democracy