Forum Post: A Reply to the Guest Piece by "an arrestee of the 99"
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 6, 2011, 1:12 p.m. EST by foundersten
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I struggle to believe that "OccupyWallSt" is simply letting the movement decide its own course. If that were the case, then OWS would say nothing (especially nothing regarding calls to action) and just provide this forum for everyone else to use.
More importantly, I do not believe the age of the republics is over. The only things left after that is either government systems that are historical failures (monarchies, for example) or anarchy. The essay seems to lean toward anarchy by yielding to the very notion that we must say "goodbye to the republics".
I am a Soldier for this nation in title and spirit. I refuse to to give up on its core potential. The Constitution is still valid; it is still the power of The People. Nothing else- not business, not politicians, not some mysterious group of "people in power"- can lay claim to the self governing principles of the 7 articles. The only danger is that we fall in despair and believe the illusion of powerlessness presented to us; we become pawns against ourselves.
WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS!!!
So much power has been seized by the federal government due to our failure to distinguish between security and strength. For decades we have allowed the blindfold of security to be applied lower and lower until we had to be led around by the hand of the federal government. Like wild horses once free we have calmed for too long and now think we are in a corral JUST BECAUSE WE ARE TOLD WE ARE!
Since when did this country need a federal government to decide our education standards? Since when did we need the federal government to provide all manner of costly benefits and programs that have tainted the fiercely independent resolve of our great society and lined the pockets of callous profiteers? NEVER! We only believe we do because we are told. We believe we do because those "in power" describe the supposed horrors if we didn't have them in power to decide our fate because we are too weak to do it ourselves. If you are strong enough to remove the blindfold you will see that the weakest, most pathetic thing of all is the illusion of powerlessness!
The founders understood the danger of a centralized government and built the Constitution in such a way that power always ultimately resides with The People. The tenth amendment- basically the last word of the founding of our government- was a final statement to that end. It was THAT important that it had to be specifically enforced that the federal government IS NOT our master!
All we need to do is see this and not be afraid to accept it and wield its power. We must believe that we are mighty- not the politicians or businesses. We must believe that we can stand on our own two feet without being pulled up by the shackles of ignorance and dependence. We must believe in what this country was meant to be and NOT in what it has become!
If you don't, then this movement is already a failure and you are the subjects of whatever steps in to replace the loss of a once mighty beacon for humanity. The light at the end of the Statue of Liberty's torch may as well be extinguished. This is what "arrestee" proposes with the end of republics.
I do not believe that is our future! I believe that we are ready to take back what has been stolen! We are ready to take the light of liberty and shine it on the roaches that have infested OUR HOUSE in Washington for decades. They WILL scramble in fear of our rumble as we break free of our shackles and charge past the invisible walls of our captivity and leave them in the misery of dishonor; powerless and irrelevant.
You need only to remove your blindfolds, muster your strength for the charge, and WANT the responsibility of carrying on the legacy of our founders!
" The Constitution is still valid; it is still the power of The People. "
I agree with this. We have the awesome framework already in place.
We need to take it back from those who are subverting it = the ones who've been in power for the last 30/40 years.
That's right! and the below are a few of those Ruling Power Elite.
OWS is evolving as it goes along! Some of the younger folk know something is wrong, but still don't know exactly what, like us awakened people do. What I don't understand is, why are none of the names of the criminal elites on all the signs that the protesters are carrying? The thing that the elite cabal fear MORE THAN ANYTHING, is the knowledge that we know who they are personally...and total exposure is the only thing that will stop them! "End the Fed" is a great start, but it is still too benevolent. We should be carrying signs that show loudly and clearly that we know exactly who they are! That way they can't hide behind the faceless blanket term "GLOBALISTS", 'BANKERS', "ELITE", "FEDERAL RESERVE", "1%" or "NWO".
Most people think the Federal Reserve is a government entity. It is not. It is privately owned by the world's wealthiest families and royal families who have violently protected their identiites from being connected to the federal reserve. They are responsible for a countless loss of life to try to keep this secret for many, many, many generations. The internet has been their worst enemy and hopefully will release their strangle hold on us.
The signs should read things like "ROTHSCHILDS END YOUR RULE", "ROTHSCHILDS SHOULD BE IN JAIL", "ROCKEFELLERS ARE GENOCIDAL WAR CRIMINALS", "KISSINGER WANTS 90% DEPOPULATION", "QUEEN ELIZABETH & PRINCE CHARLES ARE DEPOPULATIONISTS", "KRUPPS ARE KILLERS", "ASTORS ARE BANKER THEIVES", "BUSH FAMILY ARE GENOCIDE PLOTTERS", "BUFFET ENGINEERED ECONOMIC CRASH", "GREENSPAN ENGINEERED ECONOMIC MELTDOWN", "GLOBALISTS DEPOPULATE YOURSELVES - END YOUR RULE", "MEROVINGIANS ARE THEIVES", "WALDORFS ARE KILLERS", "FREEMANS ARE CRIMINALS", "CARNEGIES ARE CRIMINALS", "SCHIFFS ARE BANKER CRIMINALS", "MONARCH FINANCIAL RULE ENDS NOW", etc.
Unless we expose the ROOT CAUSE, the invisible ruling elite will still be there to do these things to us again another day. The important but lesser problems will get fixed properly once the ruling elite are gone and honest people are elected. Always aim to take down the very top peak of the pyramid....or nothing will ever change. EXPOSE THEM!! If the whole world knows who they are, they can't hide. Each country that is protesting, needs to look up their countries ruling elite names, illuminati names, NWO names and get them on as many signs as possible and show the whole world who they are! If we focus on this one idea, they won't be in power for much longer. Spread the word!! Don't do this by yourself! This has to be done en masse....if only a few do this, they'll be escorted away. But if tens of thousands do it at the same time, what are they going to do? They can't get all of us. Strength in numbers!
There are many more North American criminal ruling elite families that need to be exposed;
CLINTONS, WARBURGS, LEHMANS, MORGANS, SOROS, RUSSELS, COLLINS, RUMSFELDS, CHENEYS, GATES, KOCH BROTHERS, KUHN LOEBS, LAZARDS, VANDERBILTS, DUPONTS, MCDONALDS, DESMARAIS, WINDSORS, CAPETIANS, BORJAS, VATICAN BANK, LI'S, SAUDI ROYALS, MONSANTOS, and others....
EXPOSE THESE CRIMINAL RULERS!!!! They need to see their own names on tv.
Watch:
The Money Masters ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs
History of The Federal Reserve ~ Enlightening! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7757684583209015812
Your fellow human being
Leynna
You are correct that the complaints need to be more specific. I just happen to believe we need to clean out our government first, then focus on the external players in this mess. On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with a two pronged attack so long as both groups acknowledge and respect each other.
Thank you. I was afraid that I was the only one who saw the connotations of anarchy as an intentional manipulation of the audience.
The problem here is that we allow beautiful words to move us, even if they promote terrible or incoherent ideas. I don't know how to challenge people to think critically, to use discernment, but someone needs to do it.
OWS was started by anarchists, it's a platform that promotes anarchy. What do you expect? If you don't agree with anarchic methods, then you should find another movement in which to express your ideas.
REALLY? I'd like you to provide that evidence. I have searched high and low for it. OWS insists it is not representative of any particular idea, so you must be privy to something worthwhile, right?
This article from Business Week is a start.
The structure of the movement is anarchic which is meant to breed chaos, so yeah, they don't want to represent a particular idea. They want as much plurality of thought as possible, which, they hope, will translate into as much chaos as possible. They don't want to organize a new political system, they want to dismantle the one we have. They designed the movement to have multiple factions of Occupy which are kept independent. This increases chaos. They use direct democracy which they know cannot scale. This increases chaos. Hell, the organizers are probably happy winter is coming along since this will confuse their protesters even more.
Your article doesn't prove anything about who is running OWS and why. It is a correlation, but not a relationship. Sure, it's all part of the anarchists playbook. That's just too convenient for me to say this is an anarchist's movement. On the other hand, it does raise the issue that I have had concern over: that this movement would be, at best, taken over by an agenda that most people don't support, but wouldn't recognize until it's too late. This is disingenuous and as manipulative as any corrupt politician. If this is an anarchist movement, then OWS defies no anarchist principles in simply stating as much. I won't even go into the numerous contradictions in the article.
However, I can't help but openly wonder how many people find sanity or peace in the idea of lynch mobs whose only rule is to get the parent's permission before lynching someone. Hmmm. There's just NO WAY people could be coerced in THAT system:/
The structure of the movement was setup by two anarchic intellectuals, Graeber and Sagri. They are very smart and knew what they were doing. There is nobody running Occupy per se because anarchies are not run by leaders. They are not organized as hierarchies.
Look at how the movement is structured. It's designed to breed as much chaos as possible. Every element of the movement is perfectly setup for this. It's one of the most beautiful anarchic setups I have ever seen. It's textbook. Nobody even knows what it's really about. It's pure chaos, and it's growing. Flat out admitting it was an anarchy would reduce the chaos, so yes, doing this would defy the purpose to some degree.
Concerning your last statement, anarchies are not always meant to be violent. Violence is often a theme of an anarchy, but it's not its defining feature.
I agree with your assessment, but I can't just use observations to say that OWS was started by anarchists. What can be said is that OWS is becoming an anarchist movement.
Thus, it is my responsibility and everyone else who recognizes it and opposes it to not only expose it, but try to present a different path. I will not leave. If an argument is sound or stronger it will win on its own merits.
I don't think OWS is becoming an anarchic movement, It think it's pretty clear Graeber and Sagri had planned it that way from day one. These guys know what they are doing and don't leave this sort of thing to chance. They have been thinking about anarchies all their lives. They certainly didn't want to blow this occasion. A good anarchy must be planned very well.
What you are seeing unfold is simply the natural outcome of the structure they put in place. Thinking you can change this outcome by voting for a different one in the general assemblies is an illusion. They chose direct democracy because they know it cannot scale. They did not want to put forth goals and an agenda because as soon as you specify details, you lose protesters. Their goal was to create individual Occupy factions that would grow as much as possible by rallying around complaints. Then, these factions will fracture into subgroups when they become too big for direct democracy. All the Occupy factions will fracture in different ways depending on the cultures of the cities they are in. Some subgroups will become violent, some will not. The authorities will be confused because they will need to treat each subgroup differently. It's the biggest anarchic coup in history.
And, BTW, the human microphone is a known technique to induce brainwashing. Even if you are aware of it, you can become brainwashed. It's powerful. Be careful.
If you truly want to forge a different path, the first step would be to eradicate the direct democracy setup. This is the key. You will see that the more the group becomes big, the more weight will be felt because direct democracy does not scale. This will fracture the protesters.
If direct democracy exists it does so only within the movement. I don't think the movement has enough support as a collective to continue on its own and become a truly national force. Hence, "OccupyWallSt" regularly interjects opinion pieces and calls for action to keep people riled up. If that tactic is sufficiently exposed for the contradiction it is to the "leaderless claim" then I think this whole thing can be tamed and at least fracture the protesters into carrying on their own specific movements that will quickly lead to the more radical ideas dissolving.
You still do not understand that the movement's structure is an anarchy and thus will breed anarchy whether the protesters agree or not. In the same way, the current version of capitalism will also tend to an oligarchy whether people want it to or not.
What happens within the movement is not yet intrinsically tied with the fate of this country.
Yes, capitalism does tend toward an oligarchy as does every other system including anarchy. The reason is because human nature is as natural a process as anything. Thus, the struggle for power can not be removed from the equation like anarchy suggests. That is a pipe dream.
Capitalism is not our government. There are those who would like us to believe that, but it is a lie. The constitution is the framework of our democratic republic and nowhere does it say that capitalism is even necessary. However, I believe capitalism to be the best financial system for the system of self governance we are supposed to have. All the same, each state has the authority to regulate as the people see fit. This does not HAVE to include capitalism, but I see no other realistic option.
I agree with you on all those points. However, I do not believe OWS is a platform to accomplish this.
Genuinely brilliant, and I'm sorry to say, it will be savaged by this group, for independence and liberty are not compatible with entitlement and the redistribution of that which is born of independence and liberty.