Forum Post: A proposal to maintain and grow the Occupy Movement nationwide
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 18, 2011, 10:12 p.m. EST by spplif
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The occupy movement is modeled on the successful protest movement in Egypt. Part of what made the occupation of Tahrir Square so successful was that every Friday after evening prayers, the entire community would gather in Tahrir Square in solidarity with the occupiers. Occupy Wall St needs an equivalent of this weekly community event. The polls coming out of New York show the potential appeal of local Occupy movements. We need those supporters. We need a consistent time every week when supporters of the occupy movement from local communities around the country can gather with their city's occupiers and show support for the movement. By signaling the community to march or rally at a consistent time each week, we can grow the movement beyond those who are monitoring twitter for news of the next march. We can tap into the general population of our cities and provide a facet for casual supporters to join us on the streets.
tl;dr Having a similar nationwide recurring rally like those after Friday prayers in Egypt would help grow the movement to the entire community.
i agree on weekly large syncronized gatherings...and every 15th a global march but on the weekly ones...maybe..well let me put it this way....im the best drummer in the world but maybe we can all sit quietly for and hour no drums no shouting just a silent prayer(so to speak)..it will shock the shit out of them...a deafening silence...tv crews will rush to see this unique occurence
I like it. I would add Friday and Sunday for the day of synchronized solidarity and, like you said, the 15th shall be the global march......Let's do it what are we waiting for. We should begin the ads now
Agreed. I will bring it up with the folks here in Austin next time I make it down to City Hall. Those who like the idea should discuss it with their local chapters as well.
I agree
Great idea!
I second this.
Every Sunday.....and moments of silence .....maybe some reminder music from the 60s
Spplif, You should post and re-post this proposal until it is circulated widely. I like the idea. people should know about it and they should implement it.
Friday or Sunday for solidarity march. and 15th of each month for global day of action. Lets push this great idea brought up by our friend. Let's implement it.
I love this idea....We must motivate local groups and local people to come out in support at a certain time during the week every week......This will no doubt galvanize the movement. It will increase the number of participants week by week. But the question is what day should be choose as the say of solidarity. Unlike the Islamic world we don't have a day when massive amounts of people congregate for religious purposes. Most people in America are busy Monday to Friday, some even work on weekend. After work most prefer to go to happy hour or relax friends and family......What does this mean for the selection of a say of solidarity????
I think that a recurring time like Saturday afternoon or Sunday afternoon could catch on. Thoughts? Bring this up with your local occupy chapter and I will do so here in Austin.
This sounds like a good idea. Anyone remember the Tennis Court Oath from The French Revolution? We cannot disband until our demands are met.
Good idea, bump. Also make it a weekend so its hard to claim we're all unemployed.
The traditional method of person-to-person, words of mouth communication, such as outreach, talking with friends, neighbors, colleagues, will always be the most essential and effective method in helping the movement grows in numbers as it has a personal touch to it and the growth rate is exponential.
Nationwide!
Boycott Imported Goods Buy Made in the USA!!!!
Is there anything made in the USA anymore (besides financial speculation)? OWS should be in solidarity with workers all over the world -- not just within the U.S.
I don't give a shit about workers all over the world I care about the 10% plus unemployed in this country!!!
Well, then you're lost. That's all I can tell you. Corporations in the U.S. have forced U.S. workers to compete with their counterparts in the 3rd world. The only way to fight back is to join in solidarity with those workers. If instead, you decide to join the calls for competition, you'll lose, unless you like working for shit wages and no benefits (hint: that's why the jobs have moved overseas).
A more rational approach would be to push for restrictions on the movement of capital. The way things work now, capital can go pretty much wherever it likes, which is why there are no jobs left in the U.S. Capital, given freedom, will always seek the places with the lowest wages and the least regulation.
people don't work in the US because no one needs their labor
At least here we have a minimum wage and other protections in place for workers and regulations employers must follow. Most products we think of as quintessentially American aren't even made here. We need jobs!!!!! What do you know about that??? Probably not a Damn thing. I doubt you've ever been poor or hungry or jobless you're probably vacationing in Guatemala and good for you!!! I'm calling out to bring jobs home because we can call out to the legislature for reforming trade and what u said but they can't do anything about it. We need to force jobs back as consumers
Yes, we still have those things (though you'll notice that they've gotten a lot weaker). And while we've been refusing to look beyond our own borders out of short-sighted self-interest, our Congress and our presidents have been foisting "free trade" agreements on the same 3rd world countries where a lot of U.S. manufacturing and service jobs have gone to. These "free trade agreements," like the one that Congress just approved with Colombia, Panama and South Korea, make it a lot harder for those countries to enact the kind of laws that we still (barely) have to protect workers and consumers.
I'm not vacationing in Guatemala, by the way. I've lived here since 1990. If you want to force capital to provide jobs in the U.S. the best way to do that is to remove the incentive that corporations have to move them to places like Guatemala. And the best way to do that is to demand that Guatemalans enjoy the same protections that U.S. workers do -- or used to, at any rate.
Point well taken. I just can't wait for those countries to organize. It may never happen and if it does they'll just move it on to the closest country that's even cheaper labor. We need jobs now we need to reconstitute our manufacturing base now. It was a pleasure speaking to you about this. I will still push for this because it is what I believe in
I'm tired of these hippies who majored in PreColombian Pottery at some liberal Arts College who are angry at me for my 3rd house in the hamptons. I worked hard social networking at the parities during business school in order to get my job on wall street. I should be able to wear my cufflinks proudly and take my helicopter to the Short Hills mall to buy clothes for my girlfriends. Don't be mad at me because you majored in something that is worthless to society and now you have to work at starbucks to pay off that stupid loan that I sold to you.
Fuck, just find someone to light themselves on fire. It'll be epic. That was the initial, excuse the pun, ignition for the movement anyway. Any takers?
I've got a few suggestions but I'm not sure how they'd feel about it.
Why don't you volunteer, hot stuff?
I'm too beautiful and I haven't yet reproduced. Not yet....
Throw out the unions it will grow
This link is maybe along those lines. More about allowing a community to make an agenda rather than deciding exactly what that agenda is.
think-thirty.org
there is a network under construction. if you would like to participate, here is a poll that will be used to help organize and my blog link with a list of ows support resources
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dFlNNHJTRlZwMWs5ZjlhTWN0NlZReHc6MQ#gid=0
http://blog.richardkentgates.com
Please do not make it bar night.
Most voted demands ( by 10/16/2011):
Money out of Politics. 44 votes
-Eliminate / Remove / Ban campaign contribution;
-Public funds all campaigns;
-Mandate Public fund for all political campaign / election nation wide;
-28th Amendment to the Constitution that establishes permanent public financing of all elections in this country.
Tax fairness. 26 votes
-Tax rates from the Clinton administration;
-Eliminate all tax loopholes;
-Get rid of tax breaks for the rich;
-Tax cut for middle class;
Reinstate Glass-Steagall Act. 19 votes
Abolish the Federal Reserve Board. 18 votes
-Abolish / Eliminate / End Federal Reserve Board;
-Audit Federal Reserve Board;
-Put the power to print money back to congress;
Affordable health care. 16 votes
-singer payer health care;
-public option;
Ban Lobbyist. 15 votes
End corporate personhood. 14 votes
Financial Reform. 13 votes
-Financial Reform;
-Financial Transaction Fee / tax;
Term limit. 12 votes -Have A Term Limit to Congress/Senate/Supreme Court;
-8 years maximum for any and all nationally elected servants;
-One 6 year term only for all representatives, senators and president;
End wars. 5 votes
Fully investigate & Prosecute the Wall Street criminal. 5 votes
Restore democracy. 5 votes
Regulation on College loan. 4 votes
Energy reform. 3 votes
1, #7, #8, are basically all the same thing. Quite simply you can just say repeal Citizens United.
2. Repeal Tax Reconciliation Act of 2001. This will restore things back to the way they were when the budget was operating with a surplus.
5. The Healthcare reform bill, in alot of people's minds is affordable and universal healthcare. You might just say, assemble a panel of doctors, nurses, medical school professors, hospital owners, etc., and reform Healthcare in America. This is the only solution to the healthcare problem, if we want to take private interests out of it, and in doing so, eliminate the money in politics.
10. End Wars. What wars? There are many wars right now raging throughout the world. Three well known wars, but dozens.
11. There are so many criminal activities that have transpired in so many different agencies and bureaus in the financial sector. The SEC lack of oversight. Financial scams. The Removal of Regulations. Where would you even start ?
In all honesty, I think the real issue should be the restoration of Democracy. Everything else is derivative. If this movement is going to be taken seriously, there needs to be a much more educated voice than this, and that is what this list is conveying. In my opinion, this list needs a lot of work.
I have a thread that I started earlier titled Our One Demand. I have basically devised a single, all encompassing demand that ultimately would function to correct almost all of the problems listed above after investigation. Here it is -
That any act or legislation devised by any person, or any legislative body, or any executive decision, or government agency, bureau, etc., that has been made in our history, written or devised or implemented by such an individual person, who in doing such act or passing such legislation, went on to receive a job, any sort of financial gift, bonus, benefit, position, or any kind of promotion, etc. within that industry or corporation, be reviewed by a new legislative body; if it is to be determined through review, that this collusion has occurred, that said specific legislation be repealed and disenacted immediately. If it is determined the act or legislation was created in self-interest, and not the interest of the majority of the population after unbiased review of the populous group, than it shall be considered invalid. For this bears no relevance or significance in the promotion of humanity, and it shall not be recognized as such. This is the promise of America.
I'd be interested to hear you develop the idea more and show how it can fit in with our existing system without overlapping existing branches of government or violating the division of power that exists in our government. Sounds interesting though. I've had similar thoughts myself. It would be interesting if this board were formed like a jury, for example, so that no member every got corrupted by power. The idea needs to be refined but I like what you are thinking.
This won't work online as I've said before. If you want to poll people you'll have to poll them directly in the streets.
this is not a horse race
Agreed, a weekly event is excellent idea because it keeps the movement in the limelight of the media. Furthermore, let's start the war against Injustice by starting our own banks to double the income of the Bottom 99% of Workers, for many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 1% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves, and thus doubling our income from Bank Profits which are 40% of all Corporate Profits; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategically_weighted_policies_organizational_operating_structures_tactical_investment_procedures-448eo
Join http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/ because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Online Congress, and related “new” Businesses, REPLACING the "old" Congress, and related “old” Businesses, according to your current Occupations & Generations, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet, a political opportunist, just like today; what's important is the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing Power & Group Investment Power. In this, sequence is key, and if the correct mathematical sequence is followed then it results in doubling the income of the Bottom 99% of Workers from today's Bank Profits, which are 40% of all Corporate Profits.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 1% Management System of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupations & Generations.
So JOIN the 2nd link, and spread the word, so we can make 100,000 support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for, at exactly the right time, by an e-mail from that group, in support of the above the bank-focused platform. If so, then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the above strategy as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your current Occupation & Generation.
Man am I tired of seeing your spam all over the place.
I second that.
First, everyone has the right to reply -- once -- to a new thread, and then again to anyone who responds therein again. That's called free speech; to do otherwise is to walk down the slippery slope toward dictatorship, and I know dictatorship isn't what you really want.
Second, put yourself in my shoes, it's very tough when you need to get 100,000 people to join a group web site so that, at exactly the right time, you can email them to give 100,000 support clicks at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform. And those people are gathering, the more I post, so I continue posting because it works, but only to threads that seem like they are searching for a solution, so please forgive me, but as Christ would say: “keeping on knocking on the man's door”.
Third, OWS needs to be about technical (or mathematical) ACTIONS that WORK, not mere words, like so many other groups in the past, or it will fail quickly, like so many other groups in the past.
it will fail quickly,
and get up the next morning to try again
And fail again if they don't use the right technical (or mathematical) ACTIONS that WORK.
No, I don't want dictatorship. And I don't like people who use the movement for their own personal advancement. I'm exercising my freedom of expression. I'm not trying to restrict yours.
I'm not using the movement for my personal advancement, but for everyone's advancement, including yours. As said above, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet, a political opportunist, just like today; what's important is the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing Power & Group Investment Power. This is what will make OWS a turning point in history -- that is, if people think of their Group Investment Power BEFORE thinking of their Individual Purchasing Power, agreed?
"I'm not using the movement for my personal advancement, but for everyone's advancement, including yours." That's what all candidates say. Believe me, you're not working for my advancement, because my advancement doesn't involve electing heroes.And furthermore, what we need is to break the banks, not become bankers ourselves.
You'll "break" ALL of today's banks into oblivion if you become bankers yourselves, for you must control a thing, such as the banks, before you can delete a thing, such as excess credit money (if that's what you're actually implying), agreed?
I think we can "delete" quite a lot by really, truly, withdrawing our consent -- as opposed to deepening it by transferring our loyalty to some other ego.
I love you, but obviously no one has taught you to READ and THINK critically (about the 1st link above) before you respond LOGICALLY, not EMOTIONALLY. Good night, and God bless you anyway.
can I get a summery ?
He's basically saying that we all become individual banks and loan each other an equal amount of money.
Using the fractional reserve banking method, the money that we receive from the loan can be multiplied 9x ... and suddenly we're all 9x richer.
Then we keep giving each other an exponentially growing number of loans and become fantastically wealthy on the imaginary money we invent.
At least that was what i gathered from a cursory look at his link.
He needs an editor.
I would gladly work 10 ten days for 10 days of work in exchange
but how would I buy food?
No, I'm saying due to the nature of the Fractional Reserve Banking System, each $500 Individual Capital Contribution (above in the 2nd link, which you can get for free, by the way) would allow that Member to PERSONALLY make “new” Individual Business Loans back to their 1 "new" Business Investment Group, and related “new” Business, for 10 TIMES MORE – or $5,000 (related to specific Individual Business Assets) – and thus create a "new" Business to replace their "old" Business.
Therefore putting $500 in is NOT equal to getting $5,000 out in Business Loans, and therefore NOT as you said: "loaning each other an equal amount of money." It's NOT equal due to the nature of the Fractional Reserve Banking System, but you can only take advantage of this, and thus control your Town (and National) design, the same way real estate developers do, as Bank Owner-Voters, like the 1%, agreed?
I also said: Whenever we as Customer-Investors thereafter make an Individual Product Purchase we will REINVEST 25% of that Individual Product Purchase as an Additional Capital Contribution to our Individual Investment Account at our Home Town Bank. In turn, this this 25% Individual Reinvestment Rate will again allow ourselves as Bank Owner-Voters to make “new” Individual Business Loans for 10 TIMES MORE to ourselves as Business Owner-Voters, and thus replace & upgrade our Businesses. In turn, this 25% Individual Reinvestment Rate will earn ever more Interest Income (for retirement), as well as continuing Wage Income (until retirement).
Therefore, once you retire, your wealth and income will go down because you're no longer bringing in Wage Income, limiting the loans you can make. But if reinvest 25% of your purchases, then you can continue making loans IF you and others in your Business Investment Group agree that you together have a Safe & Sound Profit Motive, agreed?
I love you, but please READ and THINK critically (about the 1st link above) before you respond with misinformation.
See 1st link above.
maybe I'll read that later
You won't regret if you think carefully and critically about it, so thanks for taking the time later.
write a summery
See 1st Link above.
too long
Einstein said that we must have a higher level of thinking (or complexity) in solving today's problems than the lower level of thinking (or simplicity) that created those problems in the first place,. Nevertheless, I have been trying for the last 27 years in doing the above Business Analysis as a Marine, Certified Public Accountant, Computer Programmer, and Socioeconomic Analyst to shorten as you rightly suggested, so please forgive me if I'm not talented enough to condense it any further.
fair enough