Forum Post: A message to the Billionaires.
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 27, 2011, 5:41 p.m. EST by OccupyNews
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Billionaire's, we don't want or need your money. We don't want or need more tax revenue from you either.
What you can do to help is to buy stuff that promotes solar or green energy, real solar or green energy.
What you can also do is loan out money at UNDER 3 PERCENT interest.
Thirdly, quit TURNING wall street into your puppets on a string who will do ANYTHING to get access to your money in exchange for promising to partake in fraudulent actions against the 99%.
Either be a part of the solution, or just stay away and don't demand that you get the best return on the money YOU'VE ALREADY MADE.
It's really that simple.
Why don't all the billionaires find another country to live in so we can rebuild U.S. that actually benefits and works for the people.
So not only do we have to contend with the billionaire's money, then there is the federal reserve that feels the need to reseed the world's banks to the tune of 16 trillion dollars because the peasants can't keep up their obscene interest payments.
I am fuming.
I don't think they read on this site.
If you think they're going to do any of that just because you ask, I've got a bridge I'd like to sale you.
Well, I was actually demanding, not asking. I could use a bridge to put the toll booth on I just bought from someone else. I'm gonna be rich.
This might be the first good idea I've heard from OWS. Unfortunately most of your fellow protesters want money from billionaires.
Billionaire money is poison to the economy unless it is spent via the four ways I have suggested up above, or, deposited at very low interest rate returns, like at 1%
Billionaires are truly sucking the life blood out of local economies everytime they use their wealth to turn someone into a sock puppet on their behalf.
I understand that Bill Gates is getting other billionaires to donate their wealth, but this becomes an insult to the people who were robbed in the first place due to unfair treatment regarding their existing debts.
The only reason banks needed to be bailed out was because of the interest rate charges on debt. If the debt is being paid off, without interest rate charges, just who is being hurt when the U.S. government is simultaneously giving out 16 trillion dollars to banks?
Occupiers, can we minus the heck out of Occupynot so they are not at the top of this topic? Please?
Why let the media label us as OWS, Occupy Wall Street? It sounds weak, and nebulous - not "catchy" if you get my meaning, the way "Tea Party" seemed to conjure up patriots (they are not!), but they created an image that they were... Can we add a T - so we become OWST (Occupy Wall ST) or Occupy Wall Street Together? My point is OWST pronounces OUST - and that is precisely what we all want! OUST the greedy bankers, OUST the politicians that let them, etc. I think OWST would be a rallying cry for everyone, the OWST "the system" that has preyed on us all. Thank you for listening. Signed -0WST (Oakland)
How about OWLS, OccupyWaLLStreet. Owls, as in nightowls, reminding us there is a who.
It's kind of already established, would have been a good idea in September. How are Tea Partiers not patriots? I'd like to hear some good, solid facts.
Renewable energy...it's funny, not funny ha ha but funny odd, that so many get so worked up over it, where to get it from, cost etc...
When we've had a ready made renewable resource all along.
Methane.
Did you know that there is a farm in Vermont that is producing methane and converting it to electricity? Did you know that there are cities that have tapped into the methane produced by waste disposal sites? Did you know you could have your own methane production plant?
Did you know that methane has no odor? That is is usable like propane? That it can be used to heat homes, to fire gas cook stoves, to produce electricity? Did you know that sewage treatment plants produce one heck of a lot of methane?
Jeez people. Look around some. Green energy has been around for a long time. Learn to utilize it.
All gases (except oxygen) are supposed to have a smell otherwise people can die if they inhale too much of it. Just sayin.
Ok, then let's go with undetectable to the human sense of smell.
It still stands that methane is a fully renewable resource that has already demonstrated it is usable for large scale energy production.
That's actually a bad thing. Years ago electric cars were classified as unsafe because they were too quiet. Too many people making methane gas when it can't be smelled would probably thin the herd quite nicely.
It is being used in may municipalities for the generation of electricity with no ill effects, a farm in Vermont has been producing methane and electricity for over 10 years with no ill effect.
From http://www.methanegasdetectors.com/info/common-symptoms-of-methane-gas-poisoning/
Excerpts from the site.
By itself, methane is not toxic. It is extremely flammable and will cause an explosion; it will also kill you by asphyxiation if it leaks into an enclosed space and deprives you of oxygen. But methane only becomes poisonous when it forms part of another gas and is subject to certain circumstances.
Methane displaces oxygen, and in an area without ventilation will cause suffocation.
Carbon Monoxide is a Byproduct of Methane This problem of ventilation is critical when natural gas (which is 97% methane) is burned in our homes, offices and businesses.
We shouldn’t be scared of it – but we should certainly be wary.
I'm just saying that I'm not necessarily keen on my neighbors and myself racing to make methane and asphyxiating each other in the process.
Although that would mean more methane for the people one street over.
Where did you get the idea that I was even hinting that you or any individual produce methane (although you already do and someone else complains)?
The point is that it is a totally renewable resource which can be used to create another energy source, aka electricity.
If the concern is over a methane leak, then a simple addition of sulfur to the gas would result in a warning that a leak had occurred.
Your argument does not invalidate that methane is a resource that is easily renewable.
Where did I get the idea that any individual produce methane? Well,we are both responding under a subthread that states... "Did you know you could have your own methane production plant?"
Otherwise, I think methane is a great idea. However, consolidating contents to produce the methane might require petroleum based vehicles to move it.
I probably should have put the word you in quotation marks, thanks for pointing that out.
Sewage treatment already is in place, city dumps are also, the petroleum based vehicles are already in use.
We have a common misconception that most of the oil used in America today is used in vehicles, yet the larger percentage is used industrially or in energy production plants.
We could, with the use of methane already being produced reduce our fuel needs in this country. It's either use the methane or let it continue to escape into the atmosphere as one of the more dangerous green house gases.
The beauty of methane use is that the use of it as a fuel it's carbon footprint is less than that of fossil fuels, and only returns to the atmosphere the same amount of carbon dioxide that would be returned if the methane were allowed to simply escape.
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Hey occupiers, can we DISLIKE the idiot named occupynot?
i'm in
Awesome. Thanks.
This is why you guys are failing. THIS. Pay god damn attention. Instead of arguing about the rich you are arguing about green energy. You have no coherent message. You can't put your pet projects on the side, even for just one moment to work on one thing. You just gotta selfishly shoe horn everything in.
I hate to namecall when people use their alleged real name so I won't, what the heck are you doing focusing on the smallest aspect of the article? WTF !
It's not just the article it's all the responses above and below this one.
I made four points. All of them relate to the economy and why people are suffering. If all the billionaire wealth in the world is used to continue to buy old energy products, we are all doomed.
If all the billionaire wealth in the world is used to turn wall street into their sock puppets who in turn create fraudulent home mortgage securitization investments, we are all doomed.
If the billionaires expect the best return on all of their money, and the only way to do this is to keep cutting american jobs and finding lower cost ways in other countries to help take out the american businesses, we, the 99% are doomed.
You do realize that most of the wealth that comes from billionaires is from equity and not cold hard cash right? They are Uncle Scrooge with a massive money bin. They can't just buy whatever you tell them it's not that simple.
I haven't checked my wallet yet, when I do I'll let you know.
I'm surprised at the attention being directed to just one aspect of the article above, and ironically, the smallest aspect. The point was for billionaires to not go out and buy 10,000 hummers and in the process encourage more hummers to be made.
Another clueless post... And we wonder why the public see us as hippies.
My hope to the 1% is: Just move out from your 5th Ave apartments so we can get a chance to enjoy the view of Central Park for once in our lifetime. Go & buy an island somewhere to enjoy. Make sure it's near the earthquake zones so you can a better view of the incoming mega tsunami. Thank you very much.
actually, there are many clues in the article, so I'm not sure who your comment is directed towards, the article or one of the posts/comments?
LOL, "We dont want or need your money", but go ahead and blow it on green energy and loan it to us at rates that won't generate enough money to keep up with inflation.
blow it on green energy, better than on your hot air.
As for inflation, once again, if you exclude your hot air, then the inflation rate will be minimal.
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How about a few more dislikes for OccupyNot.
call Richard Branson 01 081 455-7677
Another genius from OWS speaks out.
green energy is an Obama scam. The business's that got the loans all contributed to the losers campaign fund and then they went bankrupt
What I find amazing, (I live in Houston) is how people in the industry here just cannot accept alternative energy. They spout misinformation, they are so unduly influenced by the oil industry itself. Reminds me of how cigarette companies said smoking doesn't cause cancer.
Green energy is being used as a scam in which countries trade their green energy credits with each other. However, the power companies really don't want homeowners generating their own power because it really messes up their books.
About 10 years ago some smaller companies were starting to provide power to the Los Angeles Water and Power department and Water Power did some kind of an end run around that put many of those companies out of business.
I don't recall what the scam was however, I just remember there was one.
Enough with this solar energy garbage ... It is not the answer
Solar energy and clean energy IS the answer.
Agreed.
We need to use the coal and oil we have left to make the next generation of energy infrastructure, using HVDC supergrid for long distance transmission of renewables to where they are needed, and developing renewable storage systems such as pumped hydro are vital in making renewables being able to deliver 24/7 generation.
Renewables are the ONLY answer, and renewable price points are all trending down, slated to be cheaper than coal, nat gas, oil, nukes in 3-10 years.
Hey RogerDee, I thought it was my comment I was reading when I read your comment. Dare I say it was brilliant and well written and amazingly deft at cutting to the core issue.
My energy, tax policy and economic writing is fairly popular at Daily Kos, sometimes promoted to the front page.
SO I try.... thanks
no no, thank me.
ummm' actually solar has been cheaper than nuke for past 3 years. pretty much why they've been putting up solar out west instead of nuke for past 3 years
THe Duke study in 2010 claimed solar crossed the nuke line, but only in Southern US states, and there are no new nuclear power plants in the US for us to compare solar too. http://www.ncwarn.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/NCW-SolarReport_final1.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source
Actually solar thermal is 15-17 per KWH, and has been since 2007
http://news.cnet.com/Shrinking-the-cost-for-solar-power/2100-11392_3-6182947.html
And solar photovoltaics are anywhere from 16-40 cents per KWH (depending on location). But thin film maker First Solar is averaging 12-16 cents per KWH in GERMANY and has been for a couple years.
http://thesolarreview.org/2010/11/09/the-cost-of-solar-pv/
Whereas the Newest nuke plants proposed( and scrubbed) in Florida this year woulda cost 15 cents per KWH
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2011/03/cost-not-japan-crisis-should-scrub-nuclear-power
The falling cost of solar is why nuke is losing.
No it is not
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Coal and oil are not the answer.
It depends. Solar energy may be a small step in the right direction but it won't solve the whole problem.
Solar and WInd Industry associations have issued many White Papers, The general consensus is that we can get 20% of electricity from solar in 20 years, and 20% from WInd in 20 years. Combined with renewable storage systems, like Pumped Hydro, renewables can provide 200+ gigawatts of 24/7 power. The Hydro power association claims they can expand Hydro power by over 25% in 20 years.
ALl told solar and wind prices are trending down, WInd is likely to be the cheapest form of electricity in 3-6 years. There is no reason we cant get half our electricity from renewables in 20 years.
I think we can get to 100%. If every dollar spent on war was matched with one dollar spent on renewables, we'd get there. By the way I advocated that when George Bush first went to war with Iraq. I wrote something to the effect that Bush should allocate an equal amount of money to energy research that he does to looking for weapons of mass destruction.
100% requires significant advances in renewable storage systems which are behind solar and wind development. We need to do some R&D and develop storage systems to catch up to solar and wind's ability to generate electricity in large scale. YES, we can do 100%.
If we can start to call giant wind turbulence areas in the U.S. alqeda hideouts, then maybe we can convince our government to dispatch troops to capture the wind turbulence and then air board it until it emits a squeal of energy.
And then you have another portion of the 1% to whine over.