Forum Post: 72% of New Yorkers want the mayor to remove you
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 3, 2011, 10:44 a.m. EST by Rob
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That is a majority, you lose. "True Democracy" is a bitch, ain't it?
I heard it was 18%
I heard 167% don't support the violent action of the police
A majority of online Daily News readers is not a majority of New Yorkers.
Latest Quinnipiac University Poll:
By an overwhelming 82 - 13 percent, New York State voters say it's "OK that they are protesting." Republicans support the right to protest 71 - 22 percent, with strong agreement among all groups in all regions.
more @ http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1668
I don't see why New York State voters really even care. Some of them are probably hundreds of miles away. They should ask residents of Manhattan.
I think they want to see how far pointlessness can take the cold.
A majority of Quinnipiac University Poll responders is not a majority of New Yorkers.
No, but it is the best collective representation of their opinions than has been conducted.
Do you understand what a poll is?
99% of Wall Street bankers want #OWS to stay and visit their homes.
Ooooo an online poll?
I'm sure that's accurate.
Did you know that 70% of Fox News viewers support OWS according to an online poll taken 2 weeks ago?
Don't tell anyone, but Community Board 1 voted unanamously to support the encampment and work with them so they could stay.
At least 2 NYC council members have expressed support as well as reps in the state legislature.
100% of me knows that 72% of New Yorkers do not have the right to infringe upon a single person's constitutional rights.
but your group is demanding "true democracy" aka majority (mob) rule. So what is it that you really want? This again shows the lack of any coherent message.
Last I checked, there were no such demands being made by ows.
Where did you check that? I can't find anything to check anywhere regarding ows except occasional pleas for free socks, etc.
I've seen dozens of calls for "Direct Democracy" here. Look around you will find the posts.
Hell yeah I have called for prototyping in that direction myself in fact. That does not constitute a demand made by ows. In fact one of my frustrations has been that more people want to do stupid boycotts and unconstructive "shut down the _."
I guess you do not read much. What do you think the GA model is?
I think it's hilarious! I like when they do that finger waving thing.
You're calling an online poll "True Democracy"??
Seriously, do your family members ignore you whenever you're around them??
When you walk in a room, does it get quiet frequently??
Latest Poll:
Only 30% of Americans view OWS favorably.
http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2011/11/poll-voters-viewing-occupy-wal.php
"A sign that the Occupy Wall Street movement isn't the best long-term vehicle for Democrats to connect themselves with: A new Quinnipiac poll, showing a plurality of voters viewing the group unfavorably.
The poll, released today, show 30 percent of voters surveyed view the movement favorably, 39 percent unfavorably, with an additional 30 percent not hearing enough to have an opinion. It's one of the first national polls to suggest voters are growing skeptical of Occupy Wall Street- and it comes as police have clashed with protesters in several cities. Previous national polls have shown a plurality of adults supporting the movement."
With every passing day, less and less people are supporting this movement.
Maybe less violence, public urination & defecation, and sexual assaults will keep your poll numbers from plunging below 30%.
28% Want To Remove YOU Themselves.
That keeps me safe then. Need 50%+1.
Did you know that 74.8% of all statistics are made up on the spot?
Yawn!
72% of new york is only what 3% of america.. they win!
So, what you are saying is that you do not want a local government? Well, that is just silly. You want the entire country to decide what happens in Chicago, or New York, or Hooterville?
you just have to accept the fact that where you are is the center of american commerce doesnt matter where people gather in that case the locals must just deal with the process and stop pretending this is a country where protest are unlawful. it is only an inconvenience . stop complaining
Please post a link to the source of your information.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bloomberg-strikes-tougher-tone-occupy-wall-street-article-1.971097 see poll on the right
Two problems with that poll. First it has inherent bias as itputs words in respondants mouths, instead of a simple yes or no answer. Second, and more importantly, it has no statistical validity. It relies on readers of the paper who have internet access for participation, which means it cannot claim to represent the general population. It is not random, which is required for applying the findings of a sample of a population to the population as a whole. This is like if i went to rally for one political candidate and asked for opinions on a different candidate. We know that different newspapers attract different readers who see their own ideology reflected in a particular paper, and their opinions will reflect their ideological viewpoints. I dont know about the paper that included the poll.
Anyone familiar with the nydailynews?
The general population doesn't have internet access? You do realize we live in the 21st century right? The ACLU is pushing for cellular phones to be a civil right, and subsidized by the Govt..
You may find it hard to believe that many people cant afford internet access, or the device required...i am struggling to keep mine because i find it a valuable tool and resource, but i may soon have to give it up. Thus, any poll that uses the internet automatically prunes out that group.
you're struggling to keep your computer? why did you take a loan out to get a computer? or am I reading your post wrong?
My internet access...
you can get dial up for like 10 dollars a month. but ya, internet is kind of expensive.
In the end ALL polls are unreliable. They are all biased in some way and really don't mean much of anything. Anyone who has worked with mathematical projections will tell you that the smaller the slice of the whole you project from the greater the error is as you project out to the whole.Therefore a poll taken of 10,000 people that is supposed to give the feelings of the entire countries population has an error rate so large that the poll is meaningless.
Not necessarily, as reliability increases with the randomness of sampling as well as the sample size, and this should be reflected in a margin of error, which bad polling doesnt use, and to which too few people pay attention. Good research is valuable, but there is too little use of it, as well as a generally poor level of knowledge in the general population of what is needed for validity, and how wording can affect results.
As the sample size increases the error rate goes down but most if not all polls use too small a slice compared to the whole. The error rates that polls show are simply too small to be realistic. If you say that is the error rate for the number of people polled then by the time you project it out to the whole it is huge. I've programmed enough projections to know this.
I agree that large samples provide much more realistic results. My main problem with statistics, though, is the treatment of outliers...assuming they skew results as justification for throwing them out to adjust results. Error rates, though are mathematically derived, but they do rely on inputting honest factual data, and people with an agenda are not always wed to facts. Additionally, certain organizations that do polling are known to have a bias, so one has to wonder if they profile a population before picking an area in which to conduct a poll. There can be valid polls, but one cant assume a poll is valid. Education and research are essential in arming oneself against manipulation.
Very true. As I said I believe ALL polls are biased in some way.Certainly you need honest data and who can say other than the pollsters whether that's the case or not. That's why I never really take polls seriously.
I am not surprised this article doesn't mention anything about 72% of New Yorkers wanting the Mayor to remove the protesters. FAIL, better luck next time.
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The occupy movement is like an ant colony without a queen. You can squish few hundred or maybe a couple thousand occupiers, but there will be more to take their place. After all, don't you refer to us as "workers"?
To the lady who referred to me as a "worker" - WORK THIS YOU JUVENILE!
The colony REQUIRES a queen in order to survive.
not this one.
I had heard there are a lot of queens there.
Open your right hand, close it into a fist, then extend the middle finger. That's for you.
Is yours too busy up someones butt to do it?
The trick is offer public support but secretly subvert the OWS people. Thats what your friends on the city board are doing you fools. They have fat wallets and want them to stay fat, they have to be public with support so you dont throw a hissy fit and spray paint their vehicles.
Who cares if they are there? It's Mind Over Matter. I don't Mind cause they don't Matter.
Who took that poll the wall street journal? Maybe it was Donald trump. I know they called all the banking cartels and asked their opinion. I heard the majority of Americans Support the movement (60+percent). You’re a liar!!!
Democracy is only true democracy when it agrees with what I want. I call it the Colbert doctrine.
The latest poll results:
79% say: Yes, they are a public nuisance and are becoming increasingly violent. It's time to go.
First lets send the Adbuster people who are from Canada back to Canada. They are behind the curtain of OWS!
"Rob" is a TROLL.
Polls in fact show that a MAJORITY of New Yorkers SUPPORT OWS.
another poll of new yorkers show that majority think tiouaise makes great comments.
Scares me and I used to drive a Pinto. I even braked for tailgaters.
they don't care, they'll down twinkle whatever the actual 99% want
Their dispersal is inevitable. How it's going to happen will be their choice. Seems fair to me.
Careful Rob,
The OWS children (I demand you to turn Wall Street into a lollipop farm for me !!!) are going to start crying.
They have been told their entire lives how "special" & "smart" they are every time they got on the short bus so they don't take rejection well.
Please, do the world a favor. Play in traffic.
Yet another OWS intellectual superman, whew ....
Thank you thank you. And let me guess, you're another wealthy business man who definitely makes more money than me, started from nothing, and anyone can do it just like you if they would get off their ass and quit being lazy right? People could find jobs if they looked right? The same thing every idiot like you says that has been lucky enough not to be hit by a hard economy, or those still in college that haven't looked for a job yet. Get your head out of your ass and take a look at the world around you.
If you had switched majors from Feminist Studies to Computer Science you would be employed today instead of hanging out in a park smoking dope.
hahah, oh, I have a better major than Computer Science. In fact, I already have an internship that probably pays better than your job. And I have another one upcoming that also pays better than your job in CS.
Or are you just one of those CS majors that sits on WoW all day? You sound like one.
If that is the case, then my bet is you are going to work for a, dare I say it, corporation? workin for da man, gonna show em whos da boss, eh? going to refuse the paycheck out of solidarity for OWS?
Yep, a big corporation. Actually, they used to be the biggest in the world. OWS doesn't dislike corporations you old fool, ha. They dislike corruption. Get with the program.
I would bet that corporation contributes to politicians and PACS and I KNOW OWS has a problem with that.
Oh I'm sure they do. They have a powerful union that contributes as well. OWS is a group of people each with different concerns. I'm sure you know the company quite well. Some from OWS (especially the treehuggers) would absolutely HATE the company I work for right now as well.
is it owned by the KOCH brothers?You know that you would be crucified if it. is.
Nope, it's not financial. But I'm also not going to post anymore about it. Good day sir.
Hint: imaginary internships are not REAL
Sure thing chief.