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Forum Post: 12 reasons why OWS must demand Obama step down immediately

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 11:33 p.m. EST by omniscientfool (84)
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  1. He promised the most transparent presidency and has delivered one of the least and most repressive in history.

  2. He promised to close Guantanamo Bay within his first year and give those held civil trials, instead GITMO remains open and those held have had not received any due process and are being held indefinitely.

  3. He promised his presidency would defend whistleblowers, but in reality he has treated them as criminals, outlaws and prosecuted them without regard, such as Private Manning.

  4. He has extended the wiretaps and surveillance programs on the American people.

  5. He did not end the war in Afghanistan, instead he sent more Americans to die for a misdirected cause. More Americans Afghanistan died in the first 2.5 years of Obama then in the 7.5 years before him in addition to the countless civilians who have been killed and maimed.

  6. He told us the war in Iraq was over, but American troops remain and continue to die.

  7. He started an illegal war in the oil rich nation of Libya without consulting the American people, when there was not imminent threat to American and without consulting Congress while at the same time ignoring the thousands of people die in other parts of the world as a result of repressive regimes.

  8. He used the US military to cross into Pakistan without informing Pakistan or asking for approval and conducted military operations to assassinate Osama Bin Laden, which could have been considered an act of war against Pakistan. No evidence has been provided that this mission was actually completed as the President refuses to release evidence to the media and public and the “body” was thrown immediately into the ocean.

  9. He has used the US military drones to target and assassinate supposed “terrorists” around the world, ignore the rights sovereign nations, that the actions in Yemen and other areas are acts of war.

  10. He most recently used the US military drone to assassinate two American citizens, without any legal authority and without due process, based solely on the idea they were “bad guys”.

  11. He has now accused Iran of a grade-school level plot to assassinate the Israeli and Saudi ambassadors and is likely gearing for military conflict with that nation.

  12. He has accepted money, defended, bailed out and empowered Wall Street & corporations throughout his presidency while at the same time telling America he is behind them in bold face lies.

If Obama has no qualms using the military to illegally engage in military action in other sovereign nations territory, target and kill American citizens without them having been tried or convicted of any crime or given due process, based solely on the administration views that they are “bad guys, who might do bad things”, what is to stop him from using the same tactics against any person or American, anywhere in the world, whenever he decides they are a “threat”? What is to stop him from deciding OWS are “bad people who might do bad things”?

His “support” of OWS has diminished the value of everyone throughout the country protesting. So while he has enriched himself with Wall Street’s money and holds his Nobel Peace Prize for all to see, he continues to be the increasing cause of war and death around the world and he cannot be given ANY support, assistance, money, or effort by the OWS movement and one of the demands MUST be he step down from office immediately!

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[-] 4 points by TTTTT (66) 13 years ago

Obama is an elitist Trojan horse, like the article said, he lied about everything that he ran on. He was pushed onto the people by the elites media. People wanted change and would have voted for anybody other than bush but instead they got bush's third term, we can not withstand a fourth. He has shown his true color and it is not black or white,,,,it is green.

[-] 3 points by tnc420 (12) from Cudahy, WI 13 years ago

Attention Obama haters...STFU!!! Stick to the real issues.

[-] 2 points by omniscientfool (84) 13 years ago

The real issues? The military, the wars for oil and conquest all supplied by the corporations that support them are the biggest arm of the 1% there is. If you dont see this and you are blind.

Please feel to point out any of my 12 points that are untrue.

[-] 0 points by tnc420 (12) from Cudahy, WI 13 years ago

Why don't you mention who sent us to war in the first place...Bush. Why not mention how every law he's tried to pass to help the working class people has been shot down by a Republican controlled Congress? Most of what you said sounds like it came from the Fox News Network and most likely with no fact checking to back it up. Also mention that we have been at war with the middle east for oil since the 90's if not earlier. Blame him all you want cause he's the current Pres, but if you thought Bush was an awesome Pres then you really need a reality check. And not from Faux news

[-] 1 points by omniscientfool (84) 13 years ago

Once again point to any of the points that are wrong instead of trying to deflect Obama actions and trying to turn a real progressive complaint by bringIng up "fox news" and Bush. Try listening to Mike Malloy and getting some true liberal thought instead of trying to deflect the truth. Obama is President and he owns what he has done and is the one in power who wants four more years of it. He needs to step down now so a real progressive can run.

[-] 0 points by colearthur (12) from Hays, KS 13 years ago

hate to break it to you, obama is not the problem in the first place. it's congress and senate. they the ones who actually make the real calls for the united states. obama has tried many attempts to make his plans work, but was always knocked back by congress. plus if you look at the candidates that are running now, he is really the only one we have that can be trusted.

[-] 2 points by omniscientfool (84) 13 years ago

I hate to have to correct you, but the 12 items I listed are all things Obama either decided himself OR has the power to stop.

I did not include items like including a public option in the HCR because even though Democrats had a super majority in both the House and Senate, Obama is not fully to blame for not including universal healthcare for all in the legislation.

So you are try to place blame elsewhere, but Obama cannot escape that his actions have failed the progressive's and the American people.

[-] 1 points by developingzack (1) 13 years ago

10 out of 12 are Fallacies -

Fallacy 1 - "Transparency" is subjective and your argument "one of the most" negates any ability to respond definitively.

Fallacy 2 - the Congress filibustered the vote to bring GITMO onto american Soil. (I believe Indiana was the proposed location)

Fallacy 3 - Private Manning is being handled by the Army, and Military Code of ethics ... Obama CAN NOT do anything until Manning is either convicted or not, but he must be Judged and convicted before a Pardon can be granted.

Point 4 - is True

Fallacy 5 - Obama campaigned on broadening the Afghan war and has done so... the entire premise of your point is a Fallacy.

Fallacy 6 - Combat Operations in Iraq are over... with no real Police force in place, there will still be IED death's of Peaceful Americans for years to come...

Fallacy 7 - HE didnt't start a war with Libya, The Lybian Govt. Started a war with its people... we joined an international effort, and Co-Opted an effort to save thousands on thousands of live, while ensuring the economic stability of the Neighboring EuroZone from which we receive massive interest payments for outstanding loans, which may not have been able to be repaid.

Fallacy 8 - Pakistan's relinquished its sovereignty, when it knowingly Harbored out #1 most wanted and simultaneously accepted Billions of $$ to aid in our defense.

Point 9 - is also true ... and we are at war with any country known to support terrorists and / or their actions.

Fallacy 10 - An american citizen that acts in support of a sworn american enemy is committing an act of TREASON, which is punishable by death.

Fallacy 11 - HE didn't accuse anyone of anything - the NSA released info pertaining to a plot on American soil as the NSA was complete in its internal debriefing.

Fallacy 12 - "BOLD FACED LIES" is a strong statement that needs to be backed up by fact... not your ill formed opinion.

This guys name says it all ... "One who claims to know all, and proves to know little... "

[-] 2 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

50 new nuclear power plants. denied the kyoto protocol. bailed out banks instead of staking the vampires. says biofuels are green and renewable. assorted ecological crimes. sold out the health bill with 1001 give away to corporations, perpetuating in essence the drive to privatize health care...

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[-] 2 points by Howtodoit (1232) 13 years ago

also he is a Goldman Sachs puppet, they gave 19 Million for his election campaign, and when he had them aginst the wall during the bailout, he wimped out, it was a perfect moment in time that we can learn a lot about the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933.

Here's how we can easily Reform Wall Street: Take away their powers "once again." And a Million People March on The Hill will help a lot!

"We are here Congress because we want to bring REINSTATE the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/071603.asp#axzz1aPEc3wX which help saved our country from the Great Depression by preventing investment companies, banks, and insurance companies from merging and becoming large brokerage firms; instead of just being Banks and Insurance companies--can't we learn a history lesson here Congress? Btw, why did most of you vote for its repeal in 1999? http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/09/19/shattering-the-glass-steagall-act

Think about where we are now, it all started in 1999 with the subprime loans Senator Phil Gramm was peaching on Senate floor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQOxr2wBZQ&feature=related

Furthermore, we also want you to CHANGE the Commodities Future Modernization Act of 2000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernization_Act_of_2000 BACK to where it was before 2000, which since has deregulated energy markets and consequently allowed for such scams as The Enron Loophole; whereas in the early 2000's Enron Corp. was charging 400 bucks plus for a kilowatt hour...They all when to jail for this. But, the Enron loophole is still not closed, for example, allowing speculators to resell barrels of oil over and over again before it reaches the gas station owner. It's basically, legal gambling at our expense. What were those lawmakers thinking then? What are you thinking now? Either do the right think, or you're part of the 1%."

Why are oil prices high? The Enron Loophole

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTGYQBMU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNp0y0SjOkY&feature=related

Rolling Stones Reporter: Truth about Goldman Sachs--how they have cornered the markets--basically, The Enron Loophole and the Repeal of Glass-Steagall Act in 1999. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waL5UxScgUw

Let's get focused and bring back Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, they got it right 1933, we don't need to REINVENT the wheel because bringing this Act back will create an even playing field once again....and let's finally Close the Enron Loophole, which allowed Enron to charge what they wanted for energy; they went to jail for this; but no one closed the loophole, why? Re-election Monies from the banks and oil companies! The writing is on the wall.

[-] 2 points by FObama (470) 13 years ago

He tried but failed get out Obama and leave your Billion dollar corporate campaign fund to us.

[-] 2 points by omniscientfool (84) 13 years ago

He never tried, he just lied. He had a super majority in congress and the backing of America when he was elected, he could have done many things, but he says one thing, why he does another.

[-] 2 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 13 years ago

Obama is a puppet, the system needs to be changed. (Not an Obama fan at all)

[-] 3 points by omniscientfool (84) 13 years ago

I cant understand why the Occupy movement has not been more vocal over Obama's actions.

[-] 1 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 13 years ago

I'm not sure either, I think they're trying to stay out of the politics aspect for now. However, we are attacking the political/economic system pretty hard.

[-] 1 points by omniscientfool (84) 13 years ago

Well ignoring politics, especially when the 1%, banks and corporate domination go had in hand with American imperialism and wars is hypocritical. Giving a pass to politicians who continue to repress the people and use us to enrich the 1% cannot be allowed

[-] 1 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 13 years ago

Great read about Steve Jobs and Obama online now.

[-] 1 points by CHRISHEPBURN (44) 13 years ago

Obama is a morally bankrupt abomination. WWW.FUCKOBAMA2012.COM

[-] 1 points by dissonance (14) 13 years ago

Obama was a shill from the moment he entered the political stage. He was always full of shit, his entire campaign, and the only reason he was elected was because of his obvious personal contrast against Bush and McCain. He has different packaging, different vocabulary, and the same evil imperial agenda of world domination and subservience to the ruling elite.

Obama is most definitely a large part of the problem. They all are. Any defense of Obama here is just plain ridiculous.

[-] 1 points by madeinusa (393) 13 years ago

No more money in politics. Sign the petition:

http://www.getmoneyout.com/

[-] 1 points by omniscientfool (84) 13 years ago

I agree

[-] 1 points by STOPNAKEDSHORTING (3) 13 years ago

I voted for Obama because he said he would start to clean up the corruption in Washington. He campaigned on the Vote for change in Washington idea. Has anything really changed? No The naked shoring corruption on wall street is still being allowed to continue to this day. The corrupt DTCC is still manipulating the markets. And the securities and exchange commission is standing on the sidelines doing Nothing to stop the problem. And president Obama want me to vote for him again? Not until he cleans up wall street and if he does then he may have a chance

[-] 1 points by JDub (218) 13 years ago

Just to point out an irony, but, the recent "Iran Terrorist action", most likely cooked up by our "intelligence Agencies' to justify attacking Iran, was less than what we do every day around the world. We assassinate people, in countries we don't even know about, regularly. So to complain that Iran is operating above the norms is ridiculous.

[-] 1 points by STOPNAKEDSHORTING (3) 13 years ago

I voted for Obama because he said he would start to clean up the corruption in Washington. He campaigned on the Vote for change in Washington idea. Has anything really changed? No The naked shoring corruption on wall street is still being allowed to continue to this day. The corrupt DTCC is still manipulating the markets. And the securities and exchange commission is standing on the sidelines doing Nothing to stop the problem. And president Obama want me to vote for him again? Not until he cleans up wall street and if he does then he may have a chance

[-] 1 points by makeyourvoiceheard (3) 13 years ago

Thank you for being honest on a topic most people don't want to acknowledge exists.

It is refreshing to see a intelligent and real critique of Obama on this forum, rather then the right wing trolls who can can't see past the hatred and racism.

I agree, he must step down so America has the chance to vote for someone else who can be a true supporter of the 99%, the American worker and stop using the military to kill innocent people around the globe!

[-] 1 points by beefybear (27) from Eagleswood, NJ 13 years ago

Your right and im not sure why he has been getting a pass from the movement. Let us see what corporations donate to him and what change he made for them and not us.

[-] 1 points by anotherone773 (734) from Carlyle, IL 13 years ago

This is not about obama, it is about fixing our country. Stop making it about one person, please.

[-] 1 points by omniscientfool (84) 13 years ago

So we should not call out the individual bankers and elite who have reaped their wealth from using and abusing the American people?

Corporations,and war go hand in hand, you cannot rail against the corrupt financial system and inequality, while at the same time avoid talking about the President and his expanded policy of war which funds the 1% without being hypocritical.

[-] 1 points by anotherone773 (734) from Carlyle, IL 13 years ago

Going after the system and all who are responsible for creating and maintaining that system. Which looks like all politicians ATM. Focusing on one person in the system is completely pointless and a waste of time.

The president has very limited power without congress. And since congress cant agree on what to order for lunch they have very little power without the president. And each member of congress has very little power.

While publicly they may fight and bicker most of this is playing politics and putting on a show. They managed to work well enough together to repeatedly rape the average American while catering to the elite.

Thus attacking one person in this system does nothing and changes nothing. Just like voting for a president changes nothing. You have to change a majority of the people in power or make a majority bend to your will.

It does not matter which person is president the 99% needs to control that person and most of congress at least and get them to work for us not the corps.

http://occupier777.angelfire.com/

Demand # 2,4,5 are my suggestions to fix this problem.

The point though is pointing fingers at one person is useless and a waste of time and only causes rifts in the group. We have people here who still support various candidates because they see it as we need to pick the candidate with the best platform when really that is useless. You need to just regain control of govt from congress than it doesnt matter who is in office they should be doing what Americans want( technically not doing so is treason).

[-] 1 points by omniscientfool (84) 13 years ago

So do you then feel that the 12 reasons I listed, which Obama has taken are irrelevant? Is murdering a American citizen, (and today he killed his son) without due process not important to you? If Obama did the the same to OWS members would that be any different?

[-] 1 points by anotherone773 (734) from Carlyle, IL 13 years ago

To the big picture singling out Obama is irrelevant. I can sit here and single out any of the current politicians. It gets you nowhere it is pointless. We are here to fix the country not complain about Obama, or Cantor or Boehner, bankers,etc.

They all create problems, we are here to solve those problems. Complaining about Obama serves about as much purpose as complaining about Bush.

Blame is their game not ours.

[-] 1 points by omniscientfool (84) 13 years ago

So do you then feel that pointing out individual banks or pointing out individual CEOs is also pointless? I am sorry when one person uses their power to conduct crimes against humanity and kill innocent people, I think it is important. When that same person is bought and paid for by the elite 1% it should be a focus of the movement.

[-] 1 points by anotherone773 (734) from Carlyle, IL 13 years ago

Yes it is. People in power kill innocent people all the time. This is nothing new. And neither is any of the things on your list in the OP. In this case you should be wanting to try every president since FDR/Truman at least. And it is a waste of time.

The purpose of this movement is to fix our country not so you can follow some personal vendetta against a president you obviously do not like when he is no more guilty than any other president.

In comparison, you want to try the leaders of a concentration camp for war crimes and we are here to shut the concentration camp down.

[-] 1 points by PeoplehaveDNA (305) 13 years ago

All I have to say is the movie Wag the Dog comes to mind when I think of Obama as of late.

[-] 1 points by frqet43tq3t (16) 13 years ago

All that, w/o even mentioning the national debt. what we need is financial stability! And to get to a point where we're not wasting $0.5B/day in interest. Cain is the man for the job.

[-] 1 points by EndTheFedNow (692) 13 years ago

In the next election, elect someone who will end the wars, close GITMO, repeal the PATRIOT Act and the other police state powers, end bailouts, give us transparency, and close US military bases in foreign countries.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 13 years ago

If Obama had any sense, he would come to New York and, as a symbolic gesture, hand over his Nobel Peace Prize to the OWS Patriots, saying "I was not worthy of it - but you truly are". And then and there, he would formally announce his resignation and ask the American people to forgive him for his grievous betrayals.

That, IMO, is what a real man of honor would do. Failing to do that, he will self-destruct spiritually and mentally.

Obama and his adminitration have lost all legitimacy. If Obama won't resign like a man, then... OWS probably will have to demand it of him for the good of the country.

[-] 1 points by dianesare (5) 13 years ago

I like your thinking! Except, I do think OWS needs some concrete demands, like Glass-Steagall, which btw Obama threatened to veto, if it were to pass.

[-] 1 points by AN0NYM0US (640) 13 years ago

Don't forget that those drone strikes in Pakistan kill hundreds of citizens and children (which makes it easier for terrorists to recruit them by enticing them with revenge)

Also, we are now in a child like pissing contest over Palestine trying to get some basic rights all because we (for whatever reason) feel Israel is worthy of degrading and invading land owned by another people.

And the fact that he raised spending, lied to us with a useless healthcare bill (the job bill will be the same I bet) and sits there and allows there to be a stalemate when he could easily figure out a compromise or convince them (he was the most charming candidate ever, wasn't he?)

[-] 1 points by dianesare (5) 13 years ago

He also has now authorized a total of around $26 trillion in "bailouts" -- see former TARP Inspector General Barofsky's reports. Blowing out the financial system, and causing hyper-inflation in food and fuel prices can lead to mass death by starvation and disease - even more "efficiently" than wars. he should be forced out now. Did anyone else notice that the waterboarding Prince of Darkness Dick Cheney is now endorsing his actions?

[-] 2 points by omniscientfool (84) 13 years ago

You are correct, I did not even touch on his economic or "domestic" hypocrisy.

[-] 0 points by STOPNAKEDSHORTING (3) 13 years ago

Obama could clean this mess up, let’s see what happens in the next 12 months. I voted for Obama because he said he would start to clean up the corruption in Washington. He campaigned on the Vote for change in Washington idea. Has anything really changed? No The naked shoring corruption on wall street is still being allowed to continue to this day. The DTCC is still manipulating the markets. And the securities and exchange commission is standing on the sidelines doing Nothing to stop the problem. And president Obama want me to vote for him again? Not until he cleans up wall street and if he does then he may have a chance

[-] 0 points by Anonymoose (23) 13 years ago

That's a little extreme. He could be out of office in a year anyway. Why waste time on trying to conduct an impeachment. Just because we want to change the way the gov works doesn't mean we get to throw the current laws out.

[-] 0 points by KGochanour (4) 13 years ago

While I agree with the consensus that Obama has done very little to improve upon the domestic and foreign standing of this country, I think that his greatest blunder was squandering a mandate from the American people promised by "Hope" after 8 years of tyranny. From Hour One he should have set about making right the wrongs and attempting to follow through with his campaign promises instead of celebrating his victory. Politicians say and do whatever it takes to get elected, but the fact is no matter how popular, each is bound by a system of checks and balances. Given the pettiness and ineffectiveness of this system in recent decades, it is foolish to have believed that he would have been able to come through on even half of the promises he made. When the Republican majority seized control, he simply pandered to them in an effort to be elected for a second term through "compromise" and acquiescence. Let's face it, being president is just a lucrative job to these people and none of them wants to miss that opportunity. The problem lies within the system, not the man....

[-] 2 points by lurch194 (75) from Guatemala City, Guatemala 13 years ago

Obama didn't squander anything. His real mandate was from Goldman Sachs and the other corporate leeches he's fronting for. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAhHPIuTQ5k&feature=related