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Forum Post: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, "....

Posted 9 years ago on May 26, 2013, 10:56 a.m. EST by windyacres (1197)
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These are the opening words of the US Constitution preamble. It is something I have taken for granted all of my life until a few years ago. Establishing justice along with All Men are Created Equal were essential to having government that people would respect because to argue against it would only mean that you wanted privilege for yourself.

When i experienced big corporations personally using unfair practices against me, I hired an attorney. My attorney explained to me that there was a new golden rule, "He who has the Gold, makes the rules". I replied that I didn't believe that and he told me they would prove it to me. I decided to get another attorney and explained that I had been told of a new golden rule. He confirmed that the new rule was reality. The big corps eventually, "taught", me it was indeed reality.

It's clear to others even without a personal experience that justice is not established. There are different rules for the wealthy. There is no one who can explain to me why a big bank can launder drug money from drug cartels for years, and no one is held responsible. There are many other examples.

I realized years ago that our country had 5% of the world's population, but consumed 25% of the world's resources. We can't defend that truth. At that time, I assumed justice applied to everyone and our standard of living would decrease compared to the rest of the world, including the wealthy. Now I see that the wealthy agree that most Americans will need to sacrifice to spread the wealth. I now also see that the wealthy don't intend to participate in sacrifice, instead hoarding more for themselves as fast as they can. They are going as far as hiring their own armies to protect them from anyone forcing them to sacrifice. They have already performed a coup of our government, to assure that they don't have to do anything illegal.

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[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5909) 9 years ago

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

http://occupywallst.org/forum/none-are-more-hopelessly-enslaved-than-those-who-f/

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 9 years ago

Excellent collection of quotes that help describe our government of today!

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 9 years ago

He who has the brains has the gold.

99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the world's problems are caused by igornance.

everything else is just a by-product of ignorance.

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 9 years ago

I'm sorry you don't have any gold. Establishing Justice will help protect you along with the rest of us. Solidarity!

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 9 years ago

Dude, I am probally the most ignorant person on this website, but at least I can admit it. The most ignorant are the ones who think they know everything.

Solidarity is the same as listening to what most people have to say and then taking their conclusion and labeling it as fact.

THINK for once. THINK for yourself!!!

Listen to yourself first and others second.

[-] 0 points by windyacres (1197) 9 years ago

The first thing that I think is that i don't like the new golden rule. I actually feel passionately about having it removed from the world.

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 9 years ago

I also feel passionately about preventing people from deciding the details of my life for me.

I want to be able to work where ever, when ever, and how ever I want without the fear of someone dictating those to me.

Gold is something to be avoided not sought after. Money is a fetish.

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[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 9 years ago

Very interesting link. "Our enemies, and our friends too, know that America can only be conquered by disunion." Great quotes from George Washington about unifying being crucial for this type of government to last. I also agree that it settles the states rights issue, as long as the federal government serves everyone equally.

As you know from previous posts, I believe dems are the lesser evil, but a lesser evil is still evil.

We need unifying that is different from left vs right, conservative vs liberal, dem vs repub. This has caused us to pull for our team, as if it were a sports team, and prevents us from the very thing we most need...Unity! I am aware of the arguments for having a two party system, I clearly remember laughing when I was taught in school that people could vote in the Soviet Union, but only had one choice for their vote. I now feel our two choices are in actuality, only one, and this illusion causes division which allows corruption to flourish.

Solidarity shooz, and let's unify to make Americans all on the same team. Establishing Justice will require it.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5909) 9 years ago

FreeDA: Taking Freedom Into Our Own Hands

http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-democracy-amendment/

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 9 years ago

This gives me much hope. It seems to be comprehensive and provides the necessary accountability. FreeDA expresses the spirit of Occupy better than anything else I've seen and would be proud to be of support. I will check out the links. Thanks.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5909) 9 years ago

Ironically, Occupy seems to have no interest in it even though the burden of organizing would be upon the PIRGs and the pro-cooperative organizations.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 9 years ago

That's sad because if implemented, it would allow us to take action on important issues. Currently, we only talk about issues.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

Great thread! Raises the big question, again. "How do we create justice!"

In the creation of the constitution, violence, deliberation then agreement were used to define what justice is.

Now, we are so many, if we can simply deliberate and agree, we can recreate justice.

[-] 0 points by windyacres (1197) 9 years ago

Thanks, it is the big question. The very first thing mentioned in the very first sentence...Establish Justice! We don't have it and most of us want it, why not?

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

The period of deliberation (and rights) needed to unify in the recreation of justice is within ART5.

Preparatory amendment not only provides an environment for deliberation, informed with robust free speech, but it can assure that campaign finance is completely reformed. An easy, logical, proper addition is to secure the vote. End the diebold issue.

These are all amendment issues we can agree upon as being constitutional. My assertion is that in order to know constitutional intent, and use it for our interests, those issues need to be addressed.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

Free speech is abridged. People are uninformed, misinformed, mislead and deceived and free speech is need to resolve those issues.

The constitutional purpose of free speech is to protect life with information needed for survival by making it a right to share and understand. That is the basis of public education and public access/broadcasting system.

Unfortunately there was the dumbing down exposed and documented by the Reese commission. See Norman Dodds interview by Griffith in 1984 I think. hiddenagenda,com has it.

Some of us will have to compensate for the society not having free speech, and understand anyway. When we do that we can agree. If we do this publically then others wills see, join in and agree, IF we are making the right agreement.

Therein is where constitutional intent/principle is our tool. Lincoln 1859, "the people are the rightful masters of the congress and the courts".

Article V requires constitutional intent of each amendment. When we agree on what constitutional intent is, in and through our states at ART5, we are the highest power in all the land.

There, we amend, and by that amendment, to the satisfaction of all, we assure justice for all time.

The framers had it close, very close. There was competition and critical natural law was left out of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, where is was supposed to be. It is vital and we must amend to correct it.

What was left out was the other 70% of a philosophical, natural law doctrine of human evolutionary principle, that supports the 30% which was included -Life, liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.-

It relates to the greatest meaning of free speech.

[-] 0 points by windyacres (1197) 9 years ago

I would support an ART5. Have u read LeoYo's link above about FreeDA, it's excellent.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

Yea, FreeDA is good.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-democracy-amendment/

However, when amendment or expression for changed social contract is redundant to existing laws, all legislators say, "It already is".

Of course in practice it's not, but they get to say that at the moment. My point is that if it already exists, then find it and associate/compare to show how the conceptual ideal FreeDA, is redundant, THEN go onto show where it is not and HOW amendment can cover those areas. It would be a great thing for a trial for a direct democracy site to compare existing laws, un/improperly enforced/ignored to the FreeDA list to see what it offers that IS NOT already, not just ignored.

America needs lots of practice with constitutional principle, natural law, towards knowing intent. Therein is the inspiration for preparatory amendment with ending the abridging of free speech.

A broad spectrum of issues does not help. Solution/issue is good for everyone to be aware of, but not activism. I've been tracking the simple strategy surrounding Preparatory Amendment.

http://articlev.org/oxwall/forum/topic/priority-is-part-of-preparation-for-article-vstrategy-needs-it?page=1#post-19

This is getting good. None can argue with some of the simple logic coming across relating constitutional intent to strategy and legal process. Through this simple stuff I'm finding a real handle on what I know was intended, at very best for the common people, by the framers.

When it gets into the meaning of free speech, [holy crap :-], it turns into biology, psychology, sociology in motion. I was blown out by watching a poster use it and shut down/expose opposition here a few times last year. It simply works with our instincts, natural law.