Welcome login | signup
Language en es fr

Forum Post: Urgent Red Alert : Just Look At Us

Posted 8 years ago on April 15, 2013, 12:06 a.m. EST by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN
This content is user submitted and not an official statement

“Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information, and religions destroy spirituality.”

-Michael Ellner



Read the Rules


[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 8 years ago

it is what is happening throughout the west.

[-] 1 points by Narley (272) 8 years ago

Playing devil’s advocate here. Americans live in almost decadent luxury. As screwed up as you say things are, the masses have a higher living standard than almost any place in the world and at any time in history.

We buy big screen TV’s by the millions, spend $25K on cars without blinking an eye and stand in line for hours for the new iPhone, Putting shiny rims on your car up’s your status in the community. The comfort and security of Americans is almost unequaled in the world.

Most Americans don’t know hardship, hunger or danger. Even war, where our soldiers are dying is just a nightly news update. Very few actually feel the effects of war. The hottest topics are entertainment related. The latest youtube sensation, the hottest babe on Game of Thrones, etc.. .

So, I concede you’re correct that everything is upside down. But really, no one gives a shit. Some say society can’t continue like this. I say any significant societal changes aren’t going to happen in the foreseeable future.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 8 years ago

All that stuff is empty and meaningless life needs purpose and cashiering or officing your life away for a tv set or gadget is not fulfilling ... humans need time with family and friends and time to be creative and develop ideas and spend in nature - we aren't computers we are at heart animals we need to feel disciplined and engaged in something meaningful that is in harmony with our make up we need to also feel free

[-] 0 points by Narley (272) 8 years ago

I agree with you. Even with our high standard of living we are soulless. Our values are warped. Still, what can we do about it? I maintain very little will change until things start falling apart. People will not respond until their security is threatened. No significant political or social changes will occur until things get much worse.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 8 years ago

a change is a coming bet on that. also millions live in poverty in the us. you are a bit of a fool.

[-] 0 points by Narley (272) 8 years ago

Yes, millions do live in poverty. But the masses do not. Just look around you to see it. America is the land of plenty, and all you do is talk about how bad it is. I agree America is screwed up. Hell, our biggest health problem is gluttony. Our values are lost. But to make it sound like we’re a 3rd world country is wrong. The US has a lot of bad things, but most people live a comfortable and secure life.

I’m not yet convinced radical change is coming anytime soon. At least not in the manner and scope you seem to envision. Yes, society will change. Change is constant. But I don’t see a revolution of the people to correct the wrongs.

The truth is the people will not change. People will not become involved until conditions and circumstances force them out of their serene lives. Only when things start to threaten people security will they care. To think you can use logic and reason to get people to adhere to your ideology is naive. People won’t care until they have no other choice.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 8 years ago

Some of us feel desperate to get out of the work for gadget/ stuff doing something unfullfilling for things you don't enjoy spending your whole life wasting in this cycle.... it isn't even an option to be at rest if you don't fit in with this way of life- and that is where WS will lose and we are the people they fear because we can't be bought or sold on their values

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

Look at how gypsies have been demonised over the years.

If you're not a consumer/renter/debtor, then you're clearly evil.

[-] 0 points by Narley (272) 8 years ago

As individuals we can all opt out of the system to large degree. As you say, we don’t have to adhere into the values of the system. But those people are the few. The masses will continue to buy into the systems values. I maintain little will change until the system fails and people are forced into action.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 8 years ago

do you live in a city?

[-] 0 points by Narley (272) 8 years ago

I live in an outer suburb of a mid-size southwestern city. What does that have to do with anything?

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

How many people are incarcerated because of the failed "war on drugs" ? Is anyone sticking up for them?

When the FEMA camps start filling up with "dissenters", will the placid US citizenry stick up for them? Or will they be convinced that somehow these people all deserved to be incarcerated for holding an alternative attitude to the ruling elite?

Look what happened when the macing of the students at UC Davis occurred.

There's even rap songs about "watering my hippies", and Lt. John Pike became a household infamy star, for all the wrong reasons. Name one of the students who got sprayed with pepper spray, not once, but twice, for peacefully protesting.

Seems to me that as long as people aren't directly involved in getting brutalised or blinded with chem-sprays designed to control violent criminals, and not people legally protesting their rights, then it's all okay.

Where does that attitude emanate from? There's a dehumanising methodology at work here, and it's been this way for a long time.

Spics, gooks, sand-niggers, towel-heads, hippies, radicals, leftists, are all grist for the mill. As long as things are done for "the good of the nation", and the doer claims to be a firm believer in a certain deity, who must be RW, despite his only son being everything BUT RW, then these brutal actions are justified.

Just turn the head, if it's too gruesome, or applaud it, because it's not happening to you, just now.

[-] 2 points by Narley (272) 8 years ago

You won’t get an argument from me on anything you mentioned. I agree the morals and ethics of society are screwed up. All I’m saying is in spite of all the problems people generally still live comfortably and securely.

Maybe you’re right. Maybe there will be a tipping point. Maybe something will occur that shocks people into caring. But I see no sign of it at the moment. Right now people are happy. We can argue all day on whether they should be or not, but that won’t change the facts.

Listen, I don’t know the solutions to the issues you bring up. But I do realize we’re living in a prosperous nation and most people are benefiting from it. It’s gonna be hard as hell to get people to give up their nice lives to follow someone else’s idea of what’s right.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

Yah, I don't see too many emaciated people in most video I see of US people.

Australians are also eating themselves sick. Gluttons one and all.

It's a result of a global hegemony that actually seemed to be working, until the real news gets out, and we find that to live like this, we need a poverty-stricken labour force to supply us.

I see that hegemony coming to an end. Maybe not tomorrow, but there's clearly a timeline issue happening. If the economy is based on selling debt, I'd have to question how long that can continue.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 8 years ago

Imagine (ab)use of rights while failing to stand for the contract that creates them.

"Where does that attitude emanate from? There's a dehumanising methodology at work here,"

Only a generation conditioned with socialism would protest in such away and ignore the origin of the rights granting those used in protest. The elite controlled state education systems indirectly with funding. The attitude is a result of that and the fact that some protests had outside agitators shipped in so media could share some really scary bad stuff about ows.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

He left out fascism replacing democracy.

[-] 3 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 8 years ago

our only hope is that these pricks will eat shrooms and realize the kind of assholes they are, so i would say we are fucked.