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Forum Post: The completeness and inconsistency of God

Posted 9 years ago on Feb. 14, 2012, 8:28 p.m. EST by cubedemon (185)
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In the bible it says God cannot lie, can't be around sin, etc. Unless I am misunderstanding these things I have meditated over these things I think I may have an answer as to how God is omnipotent and all powerful yet still not be able to do these things. When I think of this I think of Godel's incompleteness theorms. The first theorem is this right here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_incompleteness_theorems#First_incompleteness_theorem It is said that God is complete and he is perfection which makes sense to me. By what Godel says any system that is complete will be inconsistent. God has a holy nature to him which means his omnipotence is governed by his holiness which means in mathematical terms God is complete and holy and in order to be complete and holy he has to be inconsistent. Let's say we have the set G which stands for God. Let's say we have the subset h of G which stands for his holy nature and he can do anything that is within his holy nature. ~h would go against his holy nature and we would have subsets of ~h which contain all lies and all sins he can't be around. Looking at the whole set of G I believe this represents the completion and perfection of God. {h,~h] are members of G. {lies, not being around sin} are members of ~h. God is governed by his holiness. My question is is inconsistency always a negative thing to have? Why can't inconsistency sometimes be positive?



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[-] 2 points by Quark (236) 9 years ago

God is unknown. Anything made up about God are people using words to explain something that is much more than they can conceive. Words don't even come close to explaining the things they refer to on planet earth. Imagine how far they are in explaining an unknown God. Ontologically speaking we use words but are in denial to real existence and always will be. Humans are in Great Denial & Delusion because they are Narcissistic, Arrogant, Jealous, and know that life is short. We are no more important than any of the things we kill. We only pretend we are so we can feel good about ourselves.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 9 years ago

God is good - not
God "is" good
if you seek God
...............................be good

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 9 years ago

Wow this is not something that I expected to see on this site. "God's Incompleteness Theorems" Fascinating idea.

I think that you answered your own question with your last sentence. If the question is how could God be omniscient and omnipotent and also good, when mathematically he must be inconsistent at some point, then the answer obviously is that anything that God does is inherently "good", even when he's inconsistent. Because God is the reference for the concept of "good", by definition. If God does it, then it's inherently "good". God is great, even when inconsistent.

Christians have a saying for it: "God works in mysterious ways."

(I am a atheistic Taoist, and I'm just running with what you started with the "God" thing because Goedel factors heavily into my personal system for understanding nature.)

[-] 1 points by PetadeAztlan (113) from Sacramento, CA 9 years ago

I think you may complicate it all. Simplify the complex, do not complicate the simple. In a way we are here to help complete God or Creator (a better term without being gender specific). The Creator's work is not done, creation is not over.

In a given context being inconsistent can be positive. Nevertheless, we should strive to be consistent in our basic core principles. Namaste, @Peta_de_Aztlan c/s

[-] 1 points by Okay1 (20) 9 years ago


[-] 1 points by PetadeAztlan (113) from Sacramento, CA 9 years ago

Aztlan is an ancient native term for at least the U.S. southwest. Its usage here is not to endorse any kind of Chicano nation as nationalism is a part of the problem, including Amerikan nationalism. Look up origin of the term America. Indians are from India. ~Namaste

[-] 1 points by Okay1 (20) 9 years ago

Sory. I don't believe you. And your namaste doesn't fool me.

[-] 1 points by PetadeAztlan (113) from Sacramento, CA 9 years ago

Feel better. You can have the last word. Organize in your local Community with an Open Mind.

[-] 1 points by cubedemon (185) 9 years ago

I do not understand the simple. For me, simple is complicated and complicated is simple.

[-] 1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 9 years ago

First, a persons concept of God has to come from a judao-Christian bible. That limits the whole discussion.