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Forum Post: Somebody wants to bail out big oil, while we are experiencing local health emergencies.

Posted 1 year ago on March 10, 2020, 8:20 p.m. EST by gsw (3367) from Woodbridge Township, NJ
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[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''Like Previous Pandemics, Covid-19 Will Shape the Fates of Nations''

Is the full title of your interesting second link above. Deserves a read imo .. as does this:

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 month ago

"Exxon-Influenced Senators Carved Climate Out of Infrastructure Almost Entirely"! .. by S. Zhang:


[-] 1 points by gsw (3367) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by gsw (3367) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 year ago

Check out at 38:00 response to coranavirus, developing tests, ordering supplies, is on the governors.


Really? That is a lot to give to the states and governors, in a national crisis.

Literally, take no responsibility, war time presi

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2503) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

If the possibility that 70% of the population contract Covid19 is realized, we're in deep shit! Hospitals and clinics will be overloaded and undermanned. Electrical power plants could go offline for lack of manpower to operate, Food and critical goods distribution could be insufficient due to too many sick transportation workers ... etc. the whole real economy could fail to provide enough of the goods and services necessary for survival.

What bothers Trump and the rest of the cons? The clowns running this circus are worried about the parasitic abstract economy of Wall St and Exxon!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23464) 1 year ago

U.S. must build hospitals right now. China built a load of emergency hospitals when COVID 19 broke out and it helped immensely.

We cannot be turning people away because there aren't enough beds. This country has the money to test everyone who needs a test and to create a hospital scenario with a bed and respirator for everyone who needs it.

People over profit now more than ever!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''Corporations are human creations. We can't let them threaten our survival''! ... by David Korten:

''The concentration of corporate power is driving us toward catastrophe. We need new organizational models that serve the common good.''

From your 1st link: ''According to Washington Post ... the Trump administration is “strongly considering” federal assistance for oil and natural gas producers wracked by plummeting oil prices as a result of the growing coronavirus outbreak.'' & so also note:

From the 2nd link .. ''In addition to greater mismanagement, however, we can point very specifically to real malevolence and deliberate inaction on the part of Donald Trump to do everything in his power to avoid confronting the scale of the virus in the United States.Not only did his government dismantle the pandemic response unit in 2018 set up by his predecessor but he’s now scrambling to keep any crisis from affecting his reelection chances by simply pretending it doesn’t exist.We’ve only seen him slightly spring into action to attempt to protect the economy from entering a recession, otherwise it’s just been more tweets about how things are perfect. Except they’re definitely not ...'' & so consider ...

Finally from link 3: ''In the United States, a primary stumbling block to widespread testing has been the stubborn decision by the CDC to stick to its own, flawed testing methods. CDC rolled out a coronavirus test in February ... out only to discover a problem with one of the reagents critical to the test’s reliability. Yet as the CDC has scrambled to fix its own test, another functioning test has been available.WHO has successfully provided a competing German-developed test to countries across the world,allowing them to better trace the spread of the virus, not only confirming cases in obviously sick patients, but tracking down contacts who may have a mild form of the illness but can still spread it to others.'' + Also note ...

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 2 points by gsw (3367) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 year ago

Shitstorm fast approaching........Katrina 2 on a much larger scale


[-] 1 points by gsw (3367) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 year ago

Government should fund sick leave to stop the virus, not prevent sick leave Here Are the 51 Republican Senators Who Just Voted Against Expanding Paid Sick Leave to All Workers https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/19/here-are-51-republican-senators-who-just-voted-against-expanding-paid-sick-leave-all


Thanks Lindsey for tacking back the $1000 your president was bragging he’d be sending out to help us commoners survive


[-] 1 points by gsw (3367) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 month ago
[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 1 month ago

People should know how to distinguish near-but-not-quite truth from real truth, as well as obvious untruth.

Some items discussed are true: such as certain vaccines still change receivers' DNA but that has been going on for a long long time. Only the recent newer mRNA-based "Biden-Harris breakthrough vaccine" doesn't. I consider mRNA vaccines to be safer ( possibly excluding their closer-to-the-proteome actions in healthy persons with the strongest immune systems due to the remote though real possibility of their eliciting an overly strong immune response; i.e. a vaccine's simulated SARS_CoV-2 attack might be taken far too seriously by a healthy person with a very strong immune system ) than the traditional vector-assisted DNA vaccines as long as the extremely low temperatures required for stabilizing the mRNA vaccines can be maintained. I have faith in our "deep state" which actually also includes the civilian partners in the specific endeavors so I got two spaced-apart doses of an mRNA vaccine. mRNA vaccines had been developed before for a coronavirus-derived diseases such as SARS and MERS ( which fizzled out because it was so deadly, so mRNA vaccine for it wasn't deployed ) so they had a certain amount of pedigree already before SARS_CoV-2.

Wearing masks and social distancing are no-brainers to me ( washing hands immediately upon entering and exiting my home already became my habit which washing on more occasions had been inculcated into me ever since my third grade in school; U.S. uses a lot of disposable paper goods for drying cleaned hands, wiping mouths clean, soaking up spills, wiping countertops clean, etc. Having been disinfected during their manufacture, they reduce infections; the environmental movement's mottos make excellent sense: "think globally, act locally; reduce, reuse, recycle;" the paper towel used for drying washed-clean hands can be set out to be dried in the near-44%-or-lower relative humidity ambient air and reused for soaking up countertop spills or wiping countertop clean; 'reduce' is the most efficient environmental action by its achieving near-100% efficiency as good thinking and reorganization save unnecessary work -- laziness-minded thinking people make many innovations possible; 'reuse' achieves 50% input reduction on the first reuse, 33-1/3% on the second reuse, 25% on the third reuse, etc.; 'recycle' is often the least efficient because people generally don't prefer buying recycled goods so there is only a very limited market for them if at all ). Of course, I'm considered a bit kooky anyway ( regardless of which culture I happen to be living in ) so wearing a mask doesn't bother me much. My getting diseases or spreading them to others scares me much more than my not being able to show the lower part of my face. When the CDC changed its guidance to recommend not generally requiring vaccinated people to wear masks, I stayed with wearing masks because a highly transmissible variant was still running rampant overseas ( its r_0 seemed exceptionally high ) and it was only a matter of time for it to get to the U.S.

If one is to observe how the U.S. twitches and squiggles in its societal responses to CoViD-19, one has to question severely the existence of a "cabal" with any high degree of coordination. As for tagging nearly everyone via vaccination, it's rather absurd because that would have required extra money to be put into the production of the tags and insert them into the hundreds of millions of doses of vaccines. Even if a tag costs only one penny or a cent, 100 million doses of vaccines without the tags will save one million dollars. There isn't much tangible benefit. Yes, the technology exists but the overarching profit motive without any clearly identified purposes rules it out from having been used in the vaccines. It takes fewer than 16 bytes ( 32 hexadecimal digits; a couple of nucleotide base pairs can encode a hexadecimal digit ) of data to number every single particle in the universe so it's eminently possible to Universal-Product-Code every single human being on Earth for tracking purpose ( authoritarian regimes will love to use this on their "cattle" for sure ! )

A banking cabal does exist because most banks communicate with each other in the name of fighting money laundering and terrorism. That isn't anything new ( terrorism itself existed for many decades already since the 1968 Munich Olympics murdering of the Israeli team ). Hasn't anyone heard of credit reporting agencies and their maintaining and issuing credit scores of everyone ( they, bound by user/customer agreements which almost no one read, written in legalese, and subject to change at any time, are more thorough, invasive, and gathered data more ubiquitously than the FBI which is bound by operating under the laws and the confines of the U.S. Constitution -- it's why I did scare people with what I had inadvertently dug up about them; it's not I who had collected the information, it's the highly automated data-collecting private sector; this is why I practice discretion in which context was what a law enforcement officer had spoken of how the laws were to be interpreted; here's where biases of all kinds can creep in, such as skin colors, driving while dark-skinned, wrong class inferred from dresses and vehicle models for our "beautiful neighborhood", etc. ) ?

As there is the CCP and everyone else who is a Chinese subject, the truly classless Redfuckgina just took the idea of discretionary law enforcement and ubiquitous surveillance to expand it greatly to exert near-totalitarian control of its population. The U.S., however, "trusts" the Jews, but why not ? Who do you think the wealthiest class of people in the U.S. are who know how to conjure up wealth out of mostly hot thin air ? The wealthiest people aren't always the Jews but the Jewish ethnicity dominates the upper alchemist class assisting the owners of "鐵行 or Iron Bank."

[-] 1 points by gsw (3367) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 month ago
[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 1 month ago

Everything changes in the long run. All countries need adjustments of their governance and practices as circumstances change. In multiparty democracies after a power transfer due to an election, there is usually a group of new but somewhat organized people who can take on the governance without too much difficulty of getting up to speed because they have been in politics for a while or in governance wielding power before. Often there is a rather peaceful transfer of power benefiting the civilians because there is no civil war in a frantic grab for power so all those goodies their country has built up over the years tend to remain intact and continue to serve the people. In a one-party state with the central party having held power for a long while, when things get really tough for the people and urgent changes are required, revolution is often absolutely required, to the detriment of almost everybody involved. Forget about the inherited goodies to serve the people. Piles of rubbles and polluted water with cholera are more like the actual inheritance. Generally, there's much hardship and difficulty in daily living.

Red China has an on-the-surface one-party dictatorship but there are political purges done in the name of anti-corruption so Red China can change at any time once the security guards turn against their protectees upon the order of the one-and-only power center ( remember that it's a one-man dictatorship masquerading as a unanimous democracy with vote counts such as 2900 to 0 ! I couldn't even get several children to agree to buying a single-flavor bucket of ice-cream as a treat for them because everyone wanted a distinctive flavor of their own so everyone gets to be treated equally -- no ice-cream for anyone except me { Trump and CCP surely get this }, of my flavor, of course; I believe in the equality for all non-me children -- I'm smart enough to defer gratification so I won't eat my bucket in front of them but later on when I'm alone { like Mao enjoying his harem in Zhongnanhai } ) but only under tremendous external pressure threatening to collapse the country. The way to do it is to collapse Hong Kong and Shanghai/Ningbo, the economic centers connecting to the external world. If things come to a shooting war, Chongqing is a good target on a strategic level, and so is Wuhan which is easier to be destroyed by forces from the sea. Beijing is a legacy city which offered the royalties and nobilities respite from the high relative humidity of the fecund and productive South. The U.S. can shortcircuit Chimerican globalization by bypassing the world's greatest container port on the East Sea ( i.e. the Taiwanese Sea ).

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"The US Had Early Warning Of The New Virus ... BUT it suppressed that information. In late January, just as instances of COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus .. began to appear in the United States, an infectious-disease specialist in Seattle, Helen Y. Chu, realized that she had a way to monitor its presence. She had been collecting nasal swabs from people in and around Seattle as part of her flu study & proposed checking them for the new virus. State and federal officials rejected that idea .. citing privacy concerns and throwing up bureaucratic obstacles related to lab licenses.

''Finally, at the end of February, Helen Chu could stand the intransigence no longer. Her lab performed some tests and found the Coronavirus in a local teenager who had not travelled overseas. That meant the disease was already spreading in the Seattle region among people who had never been abroad. If Helen Chu had found this information a month earlier - lives might have been saved and the spread of the disease might have slowed but even after the urgency of her work was evident, her lab was told to stop testing.

''Chu was not threatened by the government, like Li had been in Wuhan. But she was just as effectively silenced by a rule-bound bureaucracy that was insufficiently worried about the pandemic & - by officials at the Food and Drug Administration & the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - who may even have felt political pressure not to take this disease as seriously as they should.

''The United States of America, long accustomed to thinking of itself as the best, most efficient and most technologically advanced society in the world - is soon about to be proved an unclothed emperor. When human life is in peril - we aren't as good as Singapore, as South Korea or as Germany. And the problem is not that we are behind technologically .. the problem is that American bureaucracies & the antiquated, hidebound, unloved federal government of which they're part - are no longer up to the job of coping with the kinds of challenges that face us in the 21st century. ''

The above is excerpted from your link:

et spero meliora ...

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

Suddenly, the Japanese realized that their culture, their political system, and their technology were out of date. Their samurai-warrior leaders and honor culture were not able to compete in a world dominated by science.

Beware of what the "Meiji Restoration," by losing its moral compass, the warrior code or honor, had led to: a depraved militaristic Imperial Japan that plagued its neighbors.

After being revealed a new element in our world, my neighborhood-boy playmate and I became preschool-scientists without a moral compass as there was no magnetic compass in "my den" under the bed. Without moral guidance, "mad" scientists sprout galore. From science, service... but to what end?

CoViD-19 virus is very unusual and improbable if it has arisen from random mutations. Imperial Japanese Army Unit 731 toyed with many bioweapons but they weren't deployed on a large scale to all of China ( although some might have been tested in controlled-study-wanton-killings-disallowed area of East China ) because many Japanese soldiers themselves were infected and there was fear in the occupying army leadership that it might trigger neutral nations into war with Imperial Japan. Bioweapons [ against human populations ] aren't easily controllable because they depend on the chain reaction acting among bio-fissile nearly identical ( > 99.9% of genome content being the same; modern human beings are inbred ) units available in count of billions. Only anthrax came close to being used like a conventional chemical bomb ( with antibiotics antidote treatment afterwards ) which is why it was researched by the major military powers. It may be weaponized to a huge scale but doing that would be silly, wouldn't it? "Warum haben wir Kriege?" "Um zu kriegen!" Well-fed well-fucked populations tend to be more peaceful because their need for "kriegen" is satiated. It's well documented in Biology that most species live, fight, and die for food and sex. Being well-fed satisfies the need for food. Being well-fucked satisfies the need for sex and hence reproduction ( for "eternal life.") Both lead to survival in pleasure, the hedonistic end of life itself programmed into living beings via their pleasure-reward ( in human beings, via opiods ) bio-circuitry.

I played the fishing game in my first kindergarten where each fish made of cardboard had a score printed on it and an iron mouthpiece attached. Each one of the four fishing rods had an iron-bell-clad-around-a-short-cylindrical-magnet-"bait" for picking up each fish from the cardboard-pushed-into-slots-of-wooden-rods "pond" to be set aside for the tally at the game's end when all of the fish in the "pond" have been "caught." Whichever player had got the highest score sum total printed on the fish which were "caught" won.

With every breath you take, every move you make,

this is the peoples' "war."

April 1st is only a short two weeks or so later when warmer weather will supposedly make CoViD-19 go away. In the year 1666, Isaac Newton left London when schools were closed to avoid himself getting the plague and therefore gaining the time to think...

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

Food supplies at least are not a problem. Do you remember that there was a tariff war going on and the farmers complained of not being able to sell their products overseas? Well, now we can eat the stockpile at home! No trans-ocean shipping cost needs to be incurred although I expect that there will still be some such shipments due to the quantities available. If we so-called "overreact," we'll probably have weathered the pandemic within three months ( the U.S. has a herd mentality so it can turn on a dime en masse, with many mass gatherings being delayed or cancelled; just a week ago, we've got, "Now fk off!" ) For example, Taiwan, having prepared for yet another SARS epidemic, fared very well in this CoViD-19 pandemic despite its many ties to the origin of the pandemic ( which is absolutely not the U.S.A! Would Donald Trump, the germophobe, permit creating CoViD-19 bug to strike down his hotel, resort, and golf course businesses worldwide? He's smarter than that! His near brush with CoViD-19 showed that he was even personally vulnerable despite all of the security { but not BSL-4.} Besides, he is in the three-strike high-risk group of being male, over 60 years of age, and over 70 years of age, but not any older than 80 years of age. A close call can change behavior drastically as I learnt to appreciate the beauty along the long and winding "scenic" "man-never-got-lost" routes after my Big Brother had carried me on his back once and only once { as I became forever scared thereafter } over and across the gap near what he had casually called the "Skeleton Pit with ¡crushed skulls!" in order to climb quickly to the top of the precipice { as climbing back down would have been much more precarious }.)

The getting-food-to-people problem may still exist in the distribution mechanism but we had prepared for a biowar ( after a few domestic-terrorism anthrax attacks post-9/11/2001 ) so we should have had at least some significant applicable supplies stashed away, although they may not be at the scale for a pandemic. When our military surged to West Africa and teamed up with Cuban ( with Fidel Castro's blessing! ) healthcare/medical professionals to fight Ebola hemorrhagic fever in 2014, we certainly had the logistical capability--the sight of American troops backed up by the Cubans struck home the seriousness and importance to keep borders open to medical supplies and medical personnel casualties/evacuees. Our military is still around with us and has significant distribution capability if it hasn't already been "vented out" ( I wonder whether having synthesia allows one to detect dark skin colors as a stink; I suspect that diet plays a significant role in body odors; I can naso-geolocate while driving on the New Jersey Turnpike because I can smell Chemotown and Currytown ) as the "Whites' House" was. The hope still lives.

Erection has Con sequences. Our President, Speaker of the House, and leading candidates for the Presidency are all in the high-risk-for-dying older group for CoViD-19 so they should have realized that this is an absolutely nonpartisan challenge and act accordingly. According to Chinese Mainlander CoViD-19 death statistics ( but ¿not Italian statistics?,) being female gives our Speaker of the House an advantage for surviving, over the males. The dependency on country may be showing a sex-at-birth cultural element affecting the medical care provided or the quality thereof. One can create in one's own mind a mirage of death and the mirage can of its creation become real by causing death.