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Forum Post: Shut'er Down!

Posted 6 months ago on Sept. 30, 2013, 11:13 p.m. EST by MyBrothersKeeper (-36)
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I honestly don't care if we shut down. I'd be happy to see it happen. I want the subsidies to corporations gone. I want the military budget cut to 1/4 of what it is now. I want to stop paying for the transportation of government employees. I want the Federal Reserve to stop favoring assets over currency in a never ending policy of dollar devaluation. I would love reform but after 20 years of waiting, I give up. I hope the entire thing crashs and fuck'n burns.

Hope lies in the rubble of this rich fortress...

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[-] 1 points by pigeonlady (80) from Brooklyn, NY 6 months ago

Well, folks, I still got my disability so I don't give a rat's ass.

Seriously, we care about it more when it directly affects us. The problem is that it is rigged to cost more, shut down. I would get some kick out of the crash n burn if it produced a result. And let's face it, we all thought the bastards wouldn't get paid, so they'd screw each other and themselves. Not so. It's like vacation again for them. What a cushy job, huh?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

Washington blackmails public employees Accept insurance company extortion or the government shuts down

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

ACA is already compromised with the private money by not allowing health insurance to be handled publicly @TheDailyShow

[-] 1 points by jemcgloin (63) from Staten Island, NY 6 months ago

The military and the Federal Reserve will both be mostly unaffected by this. And the Tea Party is not doing anything they think will hurt big corporations in the long term.

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (788) from Waterville, NY 6 months ago

These are the last years of the American Empire.There surely will be many weird scenarios unfolding.And-of course-Nemesis.She is invisible to those whose Destiny it is to be Destroyed by her,and excess of Hubris is what draws her like a magnet.The way things are inside our famous beltway,she will soon be one busy Goddess/Harbinger of Doom.

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

WOW. That sounds really exiting! Why is Hollywood style apocalyptic downfall so prevalent in the popular imagination?

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20572) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

why? Because anything that is tall and heavy falls hard, and because many of our own parents were taught as children to hide under their school desks in the event of a rain of nuclear detonation. And because the sudden dislocation of the norm, resulting in the prospect of imminent homelessness and starvation is apocalyptic on any individual level - when this occurs on a mass scale it simply becomes more credible, more clear to the casual observer.

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (788) from Waterville, NY 6 months ago

Well-the situation could certainly receive proper treatment in the style of Cecil B.DeMille.

[-] -2 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

Buy guns, lots of ammo and learn to live off the grid. Doom is upon us. May not be as far fetched as it sounds.

This shutdown is just political posturing, but the division between liberals and conservatives will continue unabated. So far, very little of the political theater hasn't affected the masses. It's just another day. But when entitlements began to be cut is when things will really start to unravel.

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

I think the manufactured "sides" is wearing thin. Almost everyone I talk to about political matters maintains a clear distance from both parties when speaking to what they believe. I think people are tired of it and the sides being drawn these days are between The People and The System. Ultimately, there are those who run the country and those who deal with the consequences. Shooting your neighbor won't release you from taxes or negate the ACA and deep down most people seem to understand that.

[-] 1 points by herkids (-5) 6 months ago

Eggxactly. Now if only the useful idiots like zen and shooz and bensdad could only comprehend....

[-] -2 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

Agreed. The dems and repubs are the same. It's a mistake to think either has your interest at heart. The problem is the masses still buy into the bullshit. And in the short term no alternatives seem to be gaining traction. Maybe we are screwed.

As for the shutdown. I think the government should be working a three day work week. I doubt we'd even notice.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

another shut down is causing the people to be more cynical about the entire process

[-] -2 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

That's not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe it'll motivate the masses to finally get involved.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

According to the survey, 83 percent of Americans disapprove of the job Congress is doing in Washington, an all-time high in the poll.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/24/congress-disapproval-rating_n_3642480.html

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

the masses still buy into the bullshit

As for "the bullshit"(politics), some like the tension and toothless combat, some people make a living from bathing in it, but the rest just don't really care.

Like the boy who cried wolf. What does that story teach us?

I've mentioned this forum sounding like a broken record but then so does our politics.

[-] -2 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

"and the wheels on the bus go round and round". I have to say I'm very close to just ignoring it all. What's the point? In spite of OWS's efforts nothing is changing. The people are so divided and filled with hate for anyone who disagrees with them seems to be getting worse. I sincerely think the country may be on it's last legs.

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[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

That's exactly what the 1% and their GOP cult followers want!

[+] -5 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

How is spending my money to prop up corporations, a bloated military, and paying to treat gov employees like royalty; how is that a liberal idea? How is that inline with OWS?

[-] 3 points by jemcgloin (63) from Staten Island, NY 6 months ago

Regular government employees don't get treated like royalty. That is just propaganda. They do have unions, so they are not getting destroyed as fast as private employees, but being treated like a human is not being treated like royalty.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26713) 6 months ago

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/325267-federal-workers-demanding-back-pay-if-government-closes

Another reason for the GOP to continue to perpetrate their HATE for unions?

[-] 2 points by jemcgloin (63) from Staten Island, NY 6 months ago

They have a more basic reason for tring to destroy unions, and that s unions can bargain one to one with corporations, or the governnment, instead of each worker forced to bargain separately, which gives the employer a major advantage. Its econ 101, when the suppliers of a good or service (labor) greatly out numbers the consumers (employers), then the consumer will end up with the better part of the deal. This means low wages and benefits for employees.
So whether or not the unions get paid for the furlough will not change the GOP attitude about unions at all.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26713) 6 months ago

Econ 102..........The consumer NEVER ends up with the better deal.

That goes against profiteering. That goes against the WallyWorld paradigm.

NEVER give a sucker an even break.

Now that's libe(R)topian.

[+] -4 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

We pay to fly people around the the country, we pay for lodging, for rental cars, we sustain fleets of vehicles for "Official Government Use". People that work at every level of government. I'm not talking about the working class people that cut the grass on the side of the road, cops or firefighters, not even talking about state employees. DHS paper pushers, folks at the pentagon, congressional staff. If they cannot provide their own transportation, they shouldn't have the job. Even employees at Taco Bell have to get to work on their dime.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

please tell me the government is not shutting down the public access hospitals! that's an essential service right ?

[-] 1 points by jemcgloin (63) from Staten Island, NY 6 months ago

Private corporations also pay for the travel of their "higher level" employees, and you pay fr that through higher prices. This is a side issue that has nothing to do with true abuses of power that let global corporations steal $trillions from us. Instead of attacking government employees, figure out how to build up the people.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

Open your mind.

We don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

They seek to destroy government and democracy.

[+] -4 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

Democracy and the country will be just fine. The people that make it operate everyday are used to having nothing. It won't be a dramatic change for many. It's not like any of this is going to transpire. It's all theater.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

Democracy and the country ~ held hostage, enslaved, tortured and exploited ~ are not "fine."

"Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you." - Pericles

We would not be in this extortion crisis, or would we have had to endure the multitude of transpired messes, had Voters Voted, instead of pouted, in the 2010 midterms. Cons would really like to repeat that in 2014.

Elections have consequences, Cons deny this when it suits their 1% cause, others are oblivious, deliberately or in ignorance.

Do tell who you think "the people that make it operate everyday..." are and what it is that they operate?

You don't seem to get causality or politics.

[-] 0 points by jemcgloin (63) from Staten Island, NY 6 months ago

It takes a lot more than voting every two to four years to govern. You wouldn't hire an employee and then check back in after four years. You have to ride politicians all the time.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

And you don't live on just a home's foundation, but the home can't stand without the foundation.

The foundation of a democracy is, public participation, Voting!

[-] 2 points by jemcgloin (63) from Staten Island, NY 6 months ago

Voting yes, but it is only one aspect of participation.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

The Fundamental one, yes!

OK, the Right is banging the crazy cage and their Braindead Zombies are waking up!

Get Ready! Get out the Vote for 2014! 2010 brought all this GOP shit!

2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

2000 2002 2004 2006 2008 2010 2012 never again

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

K.I.S.S.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

public participation

voting openly

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

I don't take interest in packaged ideas presented with a predetermined narratives for me to make a false choice between.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

"... packaged ideas presented..." ??

You mean like Chevys & Nissans OR Big Macs & Super Burritos?

Reality ~ be it automotive, culinary or political ~ is just so dang hard to avoid.

BUT

Do tell who you think "the people that make it operate everyday..." are and what it is that they operate?

[+] -4 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

the 99% make it operate. I thought that was the theme? Cars take me places and I do need food to survive so I don't see how those are "false choices" like prepackaged politics. Canned Voter? I guess all that political money must be buying a product, right?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

"...the theme..."?

Getting the 99% out of the yoke of the 1% is one main objective of OWS/Occupy movement. But what are you suggesting that "the 99% make it operate"? and how?

Cars and foods are every bit as "prepackaged false choices" as politics, possibly more.

We have polluting fossil fuel powered or cost & range prohibitive electric cars, convenient but unhealthy or healthy but inconvenient & cost prohibitive foods; and in politics we have endless choices because we have democracy, but our negligence, disengagement and apathy (lowest Voter Turnout) has limited our choices to two main but vastly different "Parties" and one lesser independent Party, and has allowed Big $ Private Interests to purchase undue & inordinate political influence.

We have the 1%-owned ~ Laissez Faire, conservative, neofascist, anti-Labor/anti-Union, anti-democracy/anti-Government, anti-Rules/anti-Regulations, anti-Laws/anti-Justice, anti-Public/anti-Social Services, anti-Science/anti-Environment, anti-Public Education/anti-Public Healthcare, pro-Privatization/pro-Monopoly, pro-Authoritarian/pro-Totalitarian, pro-Theocracy/pro-1% Rule ~ RepubliCon Party which has devolved into a Religious Cult who worship the 1% of the 1%, with a historic legacy of fighting and opposing practically every pro-democracy/pro-Public achievement America has today ~ and pledge allegiance to Grover Norquist & the 1%.

OR

We have the 1% coerced ~ underfunded, unreliably-supported, liberal, progressive, pro-Labor/pro-Union, pro-democracy/pro-Government, pro-Rules/pro-Regulations, pro-Laws/pro-Justice, pro-Public/pro-Social Services, pro-Science/pro-Environment, pro-Public Education/pro-Public Healthcare, anti-Privatization/anti-Monopoly, anti-Authoritarian/anti-Totalitarian, anti-Theocracy/anti-1% Rule ~ Democratic Party who pledge support for the 99% and the Middle Class (but are sometimes compromised by contrived exorbitant campaign costs, CU, and often have to take donations from Big $ Private Interests in order to stay in the game), with a historic legacy of achievements from independence & democracy to the multitude of Public and Social services we enjoy today like Social Security and, just fully enacted today, Obamacare ~ and pledge allegiance to the United Sates & the Constitution.

OR

We have third parties ~ who have yet to achieve viability, often becoming spoilers splitting the Democratic Votes & favoring the GOP, with next no chance of being elected often make unrealistic promises which they will never have to keep & fooling a lot of politically naive Voters into giving them their wasted support, who for some unknown reason never work to make thirds viable with law changes or Instant Runoff Voting, which adds credence to the belief that many thirds and their supporters are really working for the 1%-owned GOP. [ With some independent exceptions like the great Bernie Sanders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_DSPSFXKxs&feature=youtu.be ]

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

So it's official now? Shut down?

At 90% disapproval rating, it's time all of Congress was sidelined, and a system not so corrupted by filthy lucre was drawn up by the people again.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

all we have to do is turnout

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

Might be a bit more to it than simply turning out.

There's an ocean of bribes from a battallion of lobbyists to deal with.

They won't be getting the sack, just because their slaves have been laid off.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

the "ocean of bribes" buy influence in loo of Votes ~ Votes trump $ at the polls

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

But the cash picks the contestants, and leverages the amount of exposure to the voters that contestant gets. It's a game-show. Infotainment.

If elections changed anything, they would be outlawed.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

Well we do have to clean up after decades of neglect. How many times have I told you, an average of significantly more than half of the electorate here don't or can't Vote! In some districts, and now states like NC after the SCOTUS repeal of the VRA, the Black Vote is suppressed, and no one but GOP Zombies or rich get counted Votes!! Then we have the disengaged who believe the pervasive "Both-Same" and "Resistance is Futile" propaganda!!

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

I'm with you on the suppression of voters.

Don't agree that there is a worthy candidate with a chance of gaining election.

Hedged bets by all players mean the two choices basically give the same outcome.

[-] 4 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

Like I said, decades of neglect have left a daunting mess. And complete clean up will take a while, but look at the deference (albeit negative) from just the 2010 pout fest and subsequent teabag invasion. So if you believe that everyone in the political field are the same, you're either naively mistaken, blind or insincere. See explanation reply above. Democracy has a unique resiliency and strength, it just needs use, participation.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

It needs belief that we have a democracy.

It needs truth in labelling of political pundits, and the media.

Brand recognition, compulsory disclosure of campaign contributers.

And most of all, a clear agenda, that if not followed, results in dismissal.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

out of replies below

Yeah, neglect takes work to clean up, Americans aren't afraid of hard work. And perfection is a fantasy. So get a grip, we're not reinventing the wheel or growing a new species. "Brand recog? Clear agenda?" WTF??!! Are you a Rightie? Because you sound like grasping at straws to make it seem impossible ~ insurmountable to make any improvements to our forlorn political system. That's bull shit!

As I detailed above, there are already vast and undeniable differences between the Con Cult & the Dem Party and thirds/independents ("minority") parties/candidates, who quietly languish in inviability, don't seem to come on the scene until there are elections. What about IREs!! Crickets!!

Intelligent people don't pin their livelihoods and governing preferences on nonviable candidates, that's stupid. And people who want to serve the public, who have talents to offer, shouldn't have to abstain from or surrender to politics just because a bunch of rich bastards exploit it. That would be a recipe for spiraling status quo. A testament to the strength of our democracy, is that good things are still getting done!! ACA!! Despite 1%-GOP terrorism!! Think what we could do if more people Voted!!

Will there always be naysayers, semantics peckers ~ pettifoggers? OF COURSE!

Will there always be media whores who say/write/do anything the 1% democracy-haters tell them? OF COURSE!

Follow if you can, we need to increase Voter Turnout!!

Just as not turning out can result in the most fucked up congress in history ~

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Shutdown_Blues

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/30/republicans-aren-t-hostage-takers-they-re-political-terrorists.html

~ and all the fixings that go with it; increased turnout can at least stop massive GOP-1% Retrogressive terrorism and possibly result in Progressive achievements like Public Campaign Financing and Public Health Care.

We'll leave the sterile fantasy Bio-Doom of Democracy Purity to really bad late night sci-fi. That just ain't real.

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

Until minority parties get equal air-time, and a seat at the public debates, instead of having to stage their own, most intelligent people will abstain from the democratic process.

Thinking Americans know that they're up against a well-organised criminal enterprise.

That's why Congress is so full of swindlers and bribe-takers. They knew what they were getting into when they made the decision to be politicians.

[-] -3 points by shutdown (1) 6 months ago

Oh yes, MBK!! it IS all theater. The whole left/right nonsense is nothing more than divide and conquer of the masses

Ask any Bush, Kennedy,Rockefeller, or Clinton. Yes, sadly, that white trash from Arkansas has managed to weedle his family into the .1% stratosphere as the left leaning masses swoon. Guess that's what "they" mean by "new money"

[+] -4 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

Politicians are doing what they think is right. They live in a reality filled with wealthy people and that is the reality that dictates what wrong and right consist of. I'll call it my "Theory Of Political Relativity". We could call it TOPR.

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[-] 0 points by harrytuttle (3) 6 months ago

No this is all wrong. If you want a revolution you have to have a revolution. You go in and you seize all the ill gotten gains of generations of sociopathic freaks. You go in and you seize the means of production. You go in and arrest the criminals and dispense justice rapidly. Exile or death. Is it tyrannical? No more so than 51% telling 49% how to live.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

Keep downvoting, thugs.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

I know longer give a fuck about what you and your little merry band of idiots wants. I don't. You're not fucking bright enough to figure out that the world doesn't revolve around you and your stupidity. There is a special little place in hell for the the fucking Teathuglicans. Fuck your libertopia.

[-] -1 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

Great, you let me have it. Did it fix anything? Did it force change in how our country operates? Nope. Letting congress and WallSt cannibalize each other can only go on so long before it comes to a head. If a shutdown brings us closer to that point, kudos.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

I've heard your diatribe before. You have funds for the domestic violence shelters? You going to step in and save the day? WIC? You prepared for that, amiright? SNAP has a month. You prepared for that?

No? No major plans? Of course not. Because it is far more important for you to fuck everybody like a little snot nosed brat.

The reality is that you can't handle the details. You damn sure couldn't handle them 6 months ago or a year ago or a year and a half ago. Nah! It was far more important for you to have multiple IDs and act like a 4 Chan reject. You should feel so proud.

[-] -1 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

The mother of my son relies on it for dialyses and my sister's family relies on food stamps. The assumptions you chumps make is nothing short of childish. But I also know the system that is caving in is the same system that has kept my family poor. We all work, 7-10 hours a day, 5-6 days a week, and we get nowhere. As congress and WallSt keep pissing on everyone, they're stoking the fires. Get off your cross, we need the wood.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26713) 6 months ago

"We all work, 7-10 hours a day, 5-6 days a week"

Union YES!

Meanwhile, you ignore the fact that the shutdown will seriously hurt people.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/10/shutdown-effects-already-screwing-people-goats

[-] -2 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

Lesser of evils. Continue bandaging what we have now, or let the wealthy piss off enough people to force change?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26713) 6 months ago

Are you admitting that you are evil for working those hours??

Are you calling unions evil?

Where did this thing about evil come from anyway?

I guess if you are cheering on the harm this shutdown will bring on those mentioned in the link and many more, you're pretty close to that religious description.

How many people should have to suffer and/or die, for your "cure" to come to fruition?

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

My cure? I don't have any say in the matter bub, neither do you. Do you have any idea the number of people on some form of welfare that vote Republican? I do. I simply cannot think of a more potent wake up call than what we have now. I'm not saying I enjoy the means. But we don't go to work because we like it. Not everything that needs to happen is pleasant.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26713) 6 months ago

So your thread title doesn't matter?

You claimed your "cure" was to "shut 'er down".

I showed that real people will be harmed by this shut down, and you seem to think that's OK.

I don't.

If you don't want to form or join a union, that's your prerogative, but don't complain about hours, wages, or benefits.

Now, please explain how harming innocent people is a fantastic "wake up call", because I find that thought rather evil.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

I call bullshit.

Ending WIC when you have nothing to replace it with puts those people that are dependent on it in jeopardy. You had ample time to come up with a plan and you didn't. You wanted multiple IDs and preferred arguing ideology. Stating that WIC has kept you in poverty is insane. It's a line right out of the Teathuglican playbook and I don't buy that shit.

No, YOU stoked the fires.

[-] -1 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

Nothing you said makes any sense.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

It all makes sense.

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

Riiiight.... I'm just curious which event will have done more to open the eyes of our public, OWS or the continued consequences of election outcomes? I think these shutdowns are far more powerful of a change creator than OWS has been. OWS has made really big efforts and many have made big sacrifices to aid OWS but some people can't be taught with words, they need to experience it for themselves. With any luck, we'll see WallSt shut down soon too.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/04/north-carolina-gop-rep-im-taking-my-paycheck-during-shutdown-because-i-need-it/

Ya, nobody saw that shit. Oh, ya, the public needs a wake up call. I can tell by the comments.

Dumb ass.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

You really are that stupid. You keep thinking that the shut down will be a wakeup call? The only wake up call that it should serve is for your ass. Take that shit back to dear old dad's Teathuglican group.

[-] -1 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

You are either very uneducated or very naive.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

Hey look, it's Jeremy........who all of a sudden has a son..................

[-] 1 points by shooz (26713) 6 months ago

So, what exactly, are you drunk on??

Or should I ask, what is the source of your inebriation?

I fully understand why you might, what with all those hours you're working, but for sure, you have to be high on something to wish such devastation on others.

Or.........rehaps..........you are a closet (R)epelican't, quoting teabagge(R) signs you've seen?

Time will tell, time will tell.

But really, you should stop wishing harm on others. Especially in such an aimlessly drunken manner.

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[-] -1 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

I cannot figure out for the life of me why the so called "intelligent" regs on this site continue to act like children when they hear something they don't agree with or understand. How much time have you and GF spent in poverty? My guess, none. I don't need your well-intentioned ignorance thrown at me in insult or attempting to effect political change on my behalf, my families behalf, or on behalf of my friends. I know damn good and well what it's going to take to wake people up and your half stepping BS isn't it. Keep your insults in your pocket.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26713) 6 months ago

So you're not going to fess up?

You're just going to go for the insult?

And then bitch, when you are served back in kind?

Nah, you ain't getting off with your bullshit that easy.

My statement holds true. You desire for all those innocent people to be harmed by this (R)epelican't shutdown, for incredibly vague results..

You didn't read a thing in the links I provided ( there's been others around here who also feared doing that), but I'll give you another to ignore anyway.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/10/shutdown-debt-ceiling-explained

Hopefully, you're not drunk yet and can actually absorb what's contained therein.

For what it's worth, death doesn't "wake people up" it just kills them.

Proving again that you must be suffering from a drunken reverie.

It's you who needs to wake up.

I'm not lying about your ties to the teabagge(R)s either.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/04/gop-gets-usa-doa.html

[-] -1 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

How about the death toll from the war on drugs? Incarceration levels from the war on drugs? How many people have died due to lack of money for healthcare in the last 20-30 years and why was the money they had not valuable enough? How much money has the fed extorted from the working class? How many people killed in pointless military campaigns?

The part you're missing is that nothing changes until more people get their head in the game. If they have to get slapped in the face to wake up, I Don't Give A Damn!

I've been talking to you like a civilized person, explaining myself over and over. Giving you the benefit of the doubt. I'm beginning to think you want to run people off or you're just a lunatic. Make points an act civil. I'm sure you don't need lessons in how to debate an issue with some level of maturity. It's not like you or I are going to change anything in the political world.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26713) 6 months ago

Still changing subjects like a drunk??

Still ignoring the information offered? Or did you succumb to a fear of following the links?

No, you still haven't said why you posted a teabagge(R) sign as a thread title. Nor why your first choice was the WallStreet Journal.

Indeed, some level of maturity is what was expected from you.

You failed to provide that.

Yet you still insist that the poor and ill must suffer so you can get your way, whatever the fuck that is.

It's obvious you don't give a damn, but thanks for saying it out loud.

You've proven my point.

[-] -1 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

I looked at your admittedly liberals only website. Let me share something with you now.

The dollar has lost quite a bit of value since WallSt has figured out that the Fed is locked into QE with no ability to retreat any time soon. In fact, we are on the verge of runaway inflation.

http://www.fxstreet.com/rates-charts/usdollar-index/

The more we work, the more we sacrifice, the less our money is worth. Our wealth is being stolen from us day by day. What will be the plight of the American working class (which includes the majority of our poor and their disabled family members) when the dollar loses another 25% of value?

I don't care if you understand. Things need to change and this is how it starts.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26713) 6 months ago

Still changing the subject like a drunk?

Yes.....you are.

Still not dealing with your desire to see many people hurt from the "shut down"?

No, you're not.

You're final analysis, is that many must suffer, until you get your way.

Sounds familiar. Kind of like Boehner.

[-] -1 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

Neither one will be enrolling in the new ACA. Neither one has shit to say about Occupy, because they never went. Kinda strange, being that this is OWS and all.

Just more trolls. Disappointing, yes. Typical, yes. They sent disrupters into all of our camps, this is no different.

Its why the obsession with libertarians is so strong. Cant have the libertarians and the socialists uniting to address the corruption, for obvious reasons.

[-] -2 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

I'm pretty sure it's a strategy to keep everyone away. All new users to the forum are accused of being part of a troll conspiracy or get cussed out when they say something out of step with the status quo. Even if it's not strategic, maybe genuine tempers, it isn't going to attract a strong following.

[-] -1 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

Its time for a wider approach to creating traffic here, in a centralized place.

These people have the dumbest responses on the planet. What an embarrassment.

[-] -2 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

WIC hasn't ended. WIC is federally funded State managed program, at least in Texas. The Texas Department of Health manages WIC in Texas. I have friend who work for WIC and are still working.

I worked for WIC in the early nineties, and continued to work with WIC staff for twenty years because of mutual technical support programs. WIC is a necessary program that helps millions of people. It's also financial black hole. It's a bloated and irresponsible program that get more money than probably any other program. If people knew how much money this program wastes they would be up in arms. WIC is a prime example of how badly the feds can run a program.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

Over 8.9 million moms and kids under five living near or below the poverty line rely on the program’s supplemental vouchers for healthy food, breastfeeding support, infant formula and other necessities dispensed at clinics nationwide.

The USDA estimates that most states will be able to continue WIC operations as usual for “a week or so” before running out of money. The department’s Food and Nutrition Service has a contingency fund of only $125 million available for this $7 billion annual appropriation.

So far the situation is most dire in Arkansas and Utah, according to Rev. Douglas Greenaway, who heads up nonprofit advocacy group the National WIC Association. Utah’s WIC program, which already serves 65,000 moms and babies, has now stopped accepting new participants. http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/10/02/government-shutdown-9-million-moms-and-babies-at-risk-as-wic-program-halts/

I don't give a fuck how you feel about it.

[-] -1 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

Go to Utah. Go to AR. For Christs sake, go somewhere, do SOMETHING. My god, I've been watching you talk shit on the internet with absolutely NOTHING to report on for.......

.... right where we currently are....

Fuck, not trying to be an asshole but get the hell out and do something once in a while. and then report it. Otherwise, what the hell are you wasting your time for?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

Quit lying. Fuck, quit lying. Try not being a lying connivin' multiple ID right wing cockroach.

[-] -1 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

You should, because I'm right about WIC. It's needs to be audited. Let me give you one example I personally know about. This was in the news. A few years ago a WIC warehouse was found that had several thousand brand new computers that had been in the warehouse for several years and never put into service in the clinics. What happened was rather than dispense the computers in the warehouse they just bought newer ones. The ones in the warehouse were so old they were obsolete. So while I support WIC, they need to be implement better spending controls. It's the perfect example of government waste.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

Is there a list of all WIC-eligible foods available? Although Federal regulations specify the minimum nutritional requirements for the WIC foods, State agencies have a considerable amount of latitude in determining which foods to include on State authorized foods lists. State agencies make such decisions based on participant acceptance, product distribution within a State, cost, and administrative feasibility. Because State agencies are required to identify WIC-eligible foods, which vary from State to State, there is no consolidated list available. Due to the large number of locally and regionally available foods, including store brands and generics, and the frequent changes in formulation of foods by manufacturers, it is administratively difficult to maintain a national list of all possible WIC-eligible foods.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/benefitsandservices/foodpkgquestions.htm

Well, Narley, if holding your state responsible is too hard for you then mayhap this isn't a right that the states should have. You folks are all the same. You want all of the rights and ZERO responsibility.

[-] -1 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

What leads to this daily desire to seek out people and curse them up and down on the internet? Its not bringing any positive conversation at all.

If you claim to be so smart, lets here your solutions? And then even more importantly, your routes to get there?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

Pull your head out of your ass.

[-] -1 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

Acting like a bully and a tyrant on the internet for years has only made the situation worse. Similar to that article about having to delete the comments section, the trolls destroy the main benefit of the internet for the people- more fluid exchange of ideas and solutions, and current happening from all over.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

Keep down voting. It proves my point.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

You are paid to disrupt. That's what you do. You don't even believe in half, if not 3/4, of what you post. Further, the fact that there were trolls prior to your meeting the internet, is not a viable excuse.

[-] 0 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

What! You can’t really believe that? This is a obscure, slowing dying, web forum with probably about 100 regular posters. It’s simply not important enough for anyone to pay to disrupt things. No one cares what people discuss here. Not to mention that no paid trolls have ever been found here.

I think you’re paranoid. You think people get paid to troll here and you accuse almost everyone of having multiple accounts. I’ve seen no evidence of either. Also, I have to wonder about the personality defects of someone who stays on a forum 16 hours a day, day after day, month after month, doing nothing but cussing people out. If that’s not hostility and being mad at the world and everything in it then I don’t know what is. I’m not joking and I’m not trying to be rude, but you clearly need some type therapy.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

Shit, Narley....you are a notorious liar. Living in the land of denial. When you grow up some then we can tangle. But, you're going to have to get off your ass and read, do some research, something or anything close to forming an educated opinion on any of the topics. If not, then you will have to go diving for your guns for that Armageddon.

[-] -1 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

In the realm of politics, just like real life, nothing beats on the job experience.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

Then you should get a job besides a Craig's List troll.

[-] 0 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

Any experience?

I dont suppose you signed up on the exchange yet either.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

kicking your Craig's list trollin' ass? Lotsa experience. How's that kid you allegedly have?

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[-] -1 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

I never lie about anything important. Just because you don't like what I say doesn't make me a liar. When I see you cuss people out so much I have to remind myself that most cyber bullies like yourself are just trash talking tough guys full of crap. Go sell your crap somewhere else. The people here are fed up with it.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

Quit crying. You're a liar. Anyone who flat out lies and then uses the line "ask anyone it's common knowledge" as your back up data even when being shown that what you are saying is not true......is lying. You deserve more than cussing. You deserve to be tarred and feathered or at the very least run out of the country by the homeless people that you seem to not have a clear grasp on.

[-] -1 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

"Common knowledge" is real.

"I deserve more than cussing"? Probably so, maybe even a medal for spreading the truth.

Jeez, go feed your cats and get off the forum for a while. It'll make you deel better.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

The only thing you are spreading is a tub of disinformation on shit bread. You 'effin whine bag.

[-] -2 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

Blah, blah blah...... Give it a rest.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

Oh, pobrecito.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26713) 6 months ago

Say what?????

You wanna define "common knowledge" and how it's related to your positing?

Your definition, not google's

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

He's been hired to do that shit. He's just checking to see if I'm still on. It's part of his asstardian check list.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26713) 6 months ago

OIC, he was assigned to you. No wonder he runs away from me these days.

He never did address the reality of events in West.

Thanks for explaining why that is.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

[-] 1 points by Narley (-648) 4 minutes ago

I wish I were being paid to post here. I could use the money. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


Yes, lil' derelict, I am on line.

[-] 0 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

I wish I were being paid to post here. I could use the money.

[-] -1 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

Something most people are aware of = common knowledge. Do you have a different definition?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26713) 6 months ago

Yes, it's called a logical fallacy when applied to opinion, which is the only way I've seen you use it..

It becomes damaging when applied to something like ......"the UAW destroyed the big 3", or Texas is a bastion of freedom. Both are complete and total lies.

Yet you claim them to be "common knowledge".

Can you give another example?

[-] -2 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

You have 10's of thousands of posts on this site alone, 10's of thousands on others. If one of us is paid to post, I hope that its you for your own good.

At least then someone is benefiting from it.

Enjoy your morning.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[-] -2 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

Point proven. Now get back to work (allegedly).

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 6 months ago

You didn't have a point. Just like you didn't have a back up plan. Exactly like how you lacked the capacity to back up your statements. Pull your head out of your ass. Really.

[+] -5 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 6 months ago

Good morning. I'm off to start my day in a world that hasn't ended. Today, the media is going to make a lot of money from advertisers, a few people will bitch about being inconvenienced at passport offices, but not much else will be worth mentioning. In a few days, congress will pass something. The ACA will still be implemented. Food stamps will remain uncut, as will the military and corporate subsidies. It's not fortune telling, I've just seen the movie before.