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Posted 5 months ago on Dec. 22, 2018, 9:54 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ
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Dec. 22, 2018 / 5:00 AM MST

By Robert Windrem

Two days before the 2016 presidential election, an Instagram account called @woke_blacks posted a message in support of long-shot Green Party candidate Jill Stein.

“The excuse that a lost Black vote for Hillary is a Trump win is bs,” it read. “It could be late, but y’all might want to support Jill Stein instead.”

According to a report commissioned by the Senate, the account was a fake, part of the Russian campaign to sway the 2016 presidential election in favor of Donald Trump.

The report was one of two that leaked this week saying the Russian effort to disrupt the election specifically targeted black voters and harnessed America’s top social media platforms. But the reports contained another finding that was largely overlooked — the Russians also focused on boosting Stein’s candidacy through social media posts like the one from @woke_blacks.

Building support for Stein was one of a “roster of themes” the Moscow-sanctioned internet trolls “turned to repeatedly” in their effort to disrupt the election, according to a research team led by the New Knowledge cybersecurity firm. The researchers also found that the campaign to bolster Stein gained in intensity in the final days of the presidential campaign and largely targeted African-American voters.

The reports, prepared by separate groups of cyber experts, add to the growing body of evidence that the Russians worked to boost the Stein campaign as part of the effort to siphon support away from Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and tilt the election to Trump.

An NBC News analysis found that Russians working under the direction of the Internet Research Agency, the St. Petersburg-based firm run by a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, tweeted the phrase “Jill Stein” over 1,000 times around the time of the election.

The posts were often accompanied by variations of the same hashtag, “Grow a spine and vote Jill Stein.”

“This hasn’t gotten enough attention,” said Andrew Weiss, a Russian expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, referring to Moscow’s efforts to promote Stein.

“The fact that the Russian propaganda apparatus helped create awareness and support for her candidacy and promoted her candidacy is critical to our understanding of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

“The Russians played this extremely adroitly,” Weiss added.

Image: Jill SteinJill Stein speaks at a town hall-style event at YouTube Space LA in 2016.Gabriel Olsen / Getty Images file The Green Party did not respond to multiple requests for comment. NBC News also left messages with two Stein spokespersons, but they went unreturned.

There’s nothing in the reports to suggest that Stein was aware of the influence operation, but the Massachusetts physician has long been criticized for her support of international policies that mirror Russian foreign policy goals.

As a frequent guest on the Russian state-owned English language broadcast and online outlets RT and Sputnik, Stein has also benefited from Moscow’s help during her presidential runs in 2012 and 2016.

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Weiss said Moscow's support for Stein in fact began well before she became a presidential candidate.

“The Russian embrace of fringe voices like Stein goes back more than a decade to the earlier days of RT,” said Weiss.

Weiss also noted that the Stein campaign parroted the Russian position on Ukraine in 2016 and criticized the U.S. for installing a government in Kiev “hostile to Russia.”

In Feb. 2015, Stein announced her decision to form a presidential exploratory committee on the U.S.-based RT program “Redacted Tonight."

In the closing weeks of the campaign, RT quoted Stein suggesting that Hillary Clinton could lead the U.S. into a nuclear war with Russia and saying Trump was a safer choice.

"On the issue of war and nuclear weapons," Stein said, according to RT, "it is actually Hillary's policies which are much scarier than Donald Trump who does not want to go to war with Russia."

Most famously, Stein was one of two Americans invited to sit with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the head table of the RT 10th anniversary dinner in Dec. 2015. The other was General Michael Flynn, who was advising then candidate Donald J. Trump and is now awaiting sentencing in the special counsel’s probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The head table of a gala celebrating the tenth anniversary of Russia Today in December of 2015 included Russian President Vladimir Putin, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn and Jill Stein of the U.S. Green Party.Mikhail Klimentyev / Sputnik, Kremlin Pool Photo via AP file Also at the table: Putin’s chief of staff, a former KGB general who had been sanctioned by the Obama administration for his role in 2014 annexation of Crimea and a deputy chief of staff who U.S. intelligence referred to as Putin's head propagandist.

Stein, in explaining why she traveled to Moscow for the event, has said she had hoped to speak with the Russian president about his policy in Syria, climate change and other issues. The Russian president declined the opportunity, Stein admitted. Stein has repeatedly said she did not accept any Russian support for her trip.

Clint Watts, an NBC News analyst who has been tracking Russian election interference at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, says none of what’s in the reports prepared for the Senate Intelligence Committee should be seen as surprising.

“Is Stein a fellow traveler or a useful idiot?” Watts asked rhetorically. “I don’t know, but even after the election she played into Russia disinformation by pursuing a recount so heavily and claiming election fraud. This was a post-election coup for Kremlin propagandists.”

Robert Windrem Robert Windrem is an investigative reporter/producer with NBC News, specializing in international security.

Ben Popken contributed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russians-launched-pro-jill-stein-social-media-blitz-help-trump-n951166

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[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

''Heist .. Who Stole The American Dream ?!'' ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltNaDDQZ07k

Was it The Ruskis? U think Dr.Jill Stein is somehow the problem?! U duopoly deluded dolt!! U brain

dead?!!! Watch this short video & then make a Christmas / New Year Resolution to get a fkn clue!!!!

e tenebris lux?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 5 months ago

Your compete FAILURE to get involved in stopping the GOP: and the evil they do enables them, You Shadz are a great asset to the GOP!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

Blowjob Bill & Obomber didn't "get involved in stopping the GOP" because they (and U?) are GOPlite

enablers but I am guessing that U have no idea WTF I am talking about .. on account of being such a

partisan DNC stooge, right?!!! Are U the kind of RW person who thinks it is all A-OK, just as long as a

Duplicitous Dem Corporate Banker Ass Kisser is The POTUS?!! Did U watch Thom Hartmann's video

above?! Or d'U fancy addressing either of the following ...

Your Zero Sum Game Binary B-S just doesn't wash here but it's taken U, 7 years to realize this. Must

argument go on or d'U get this: https://twitter.com/Shadz66Shadz6t6/status/1077982416680206338 ?

When faced with a Hellary Rotten Clinton v tRUMP choice - USA's 99% went with The Devil They Did

NOT Know! WhyTF d'U think that was the case? OR are U now going to feign ignorance - yet again?!

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

Beware "“Third Way” Democrats eager to go along with" a time served RW GOP scam like this ...

caveat!

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

I guess the Democrats are not nearly as perfect as your precious GOP, or does "truthout" even know they exist?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

"Perfect"?! Democraps have A O-C in their sites already, U partisan dolt!! Now go get a clue, asap!!!

U know me factsRfukt .. I do get to all your ranting DNC luvvin', Democrap talking points, eventually!

et spero meliora ...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

You can tell about my support from the m any posts that i put up in support of Bernie Sanders in 2015 and 2016 and we can tell everything about you from your complete lack of support for Bernie Sanders during that time frame i am trying to move the country to the left so working people can catch a break, you are trying to build a political party to feed your own ego, we have very different intentions.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

Nope. U can't tell arse from elbow but U'll keep lying your mthrfkng ass off, none the less! Re. my

support for Bernie see link below & understand that OWS is not the only forum to fight for him on!

Forum-post OPs here are not the only medium of work for Bernie, U blithering idiot & I have been

banned from this forum by the likes of Dem ass kissing Troll Mods that comments - as opposed to

original forum posts have become my m.o. but here are OPs from when I was not so circumspect:

Despite the bans by Manipulative Partisan Mods, I am still here - pissing the RW likes of U off tho'!

Your idea for US Democracy is a Right Wing Faux-Liberal Corp.Con-Troll'ed One Party State. Fool.

temet nosce ...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 4 months ago

You fucking Russian agent go screw yourself!

Everything you post is a lie sourced from Moscow!

You accuse me of being a 'stooge" yet I was here posting in support of Bernie when you weren't saying shit in support of Bernie YOU are a fucking Russian agent fraud!

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

Yep, U are a "stooge", of the Pseudo-Centrist but de facto RW Extremist; Pro-Corporation; Pro-Banker

Worshiping & Necro-Economics of Neoliberalism & Neocon Foreign-Policy & Psycho-Politics Pursuing

DNC!!! U'll kiss the ass of anyone that The RW Dem Establishment pick for U to shill for!! I'll bet that U

regard ''NEOLIBERALISM'' as some kind of personal slur, lol! Here, go get yourself a clue ...

fiat lux ...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

So let me ask a question if the fucking ego whore Greens are so democratic how come Jill Stein is their nominee every time?

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2290) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

Support for Trump includes spreading the responsibility for his treachery to others.

Your obsession with Jill Stein is just what Trump needs to distract fools from his crimes. I can only guess that's your object all along. Dr. Geobbels laid out your strategy: accuse your opponents of doing what you are doing to them. The bigger the lie the easier it is to sell to the ignorant masses.

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

Worry about Kamala Harris; HRC 2.0 first, before U wet your big RW panties over Stein!

Your attitude towards US Greens is that of a partisan Dem hack and that is shameful frf!

multum in parvo!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 months ago

It's because the very popular-in-Russia Vladimir Putin was NOT competing against Jill Stein for the Green Party's nomination as his graceful forbearance in the grand tradition of the Cold War struggles. He loves green things galore alright: Siberian greenery (he's got to catch those Red Chinese furniture makers poaching or harvesting the Russian? or Imperial Chinese 清朝 Dynastic? hardwood trees,) and especially U.S. dollars. I hope that he can someday come to see the krugerrands in our Continental Divide. Meow will grow up to be a mountain lion by tomorrow perhaps.

Meow should starve, due to the newly found "humanitarian concerns," on the southern border until after the wealthy folks such as Mitt Romney, Koch brothers, Trump, etc. have gotten their biggest tax cuts in full in 2024 when inheritance taxation expires. We haven't finished Red China's order to sink the costs of two supercarriers yet so it's time for more hypersonic Russian torpedo hits.

Only one U.S. aircraft carrier has ever been sunk since the end of WWII, the USS America. We the Bushits couldn't bomb it enough in the target-bombing study to sink it so it had to be scuttled in the same way that I sank a Japanese aluminum coin to scare my guppies: let the water in. Eureka! Mr. Godivo cums.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 4 months ago

Did you see this from Tom Hartman?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfyiIldZeFM

He was NOT anti-Hillary, you are a stupid Trump electing idiot!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

Despite what Thom Hartmann may have said in 2015, prior to the 2016 Election, he knows that Bernie

and sHillary are chalk and cheese and so look here for the HUGE differences between her and Bernie:

ad iudicium ...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

when you stop working to elect the GOP!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

Working to elect GOP-lite Democraps, is your thing & so your Zero-Sum

Game Binary leads U to talk out of your ass! U do need to WTFU, asap!

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/28/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-podcast/ ?

ad iudicium ...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

Dividing the left so the right can win is your thing.

The question is why are you always trying to divide and weaken those who would stand against Wall Street?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

Don't U dare call GOPlite Dems "the left"!!! U$A's Polytricks is RW v Batshit Crazy RW .. with only a

very few honorable exceptions! Your DNC loving, fork-tongued duplicity is to be expected. Now fyi ...

e tenebris, lux?

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 4 months ago

Too bad YOU didn't come here and support Bernie in 2015/2016 when he still had a chance to win, were you asleep?

As you know I didn't have that problem I was here posting stuff in support of Bernie every week but YOU where NOT there supporting Bernie in comment OR post YOU waited till he had lost so YOU could start your work for the Russians and Trump!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

Have "the Russians and tRUMP" occupied the pickled walnut that passes for your so called brain?! U'll

be kissing Beto & Biden's Corporate luvin' asses .. just like U were more than happy to kiss Hellary's in

the last election!! And don't think that anyone who reads here is remotely fooled by your faux affiliations

to & expressions of affection for - Bernie Sanders .. as U were an inveterate DNC/DLC minion before U

ever supported Bernie, the Independent Senator for Vermont!!! Beware The RW Pseudo-Centrist Dems

2020 strategy ... let's all beat tRUMP by becoming Republicunts!!!!

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

Before you posted this comment I posted this thread

http://occupywallst.org/forum/joe-biuden-wants-to-work-with-the-gop-to-solve-the/

why don't you pull your head from ass and get in the game!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

Beto or Biden; Harris or HRC - it makes no difference to The 99% or me! So let's all get behind Bernie!

The sad truth is U, frf are a Partisan Corporate Dem, who thinks "liberal" is as far as USA gets. Wrong!

et veritas vos liberabit!

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

oh so THIS time you are going to support bernie? good, too bad you weren't there last time, but that's okay. You don't think he's too old to hold the office for 8 years? I don't want no one termer...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

Keep wagging your lying, forked tongue - U P-o'S but don't pretend that U weren't all for kissing HRC's

arse all your life! Eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odN4Aq7XjrE = U, getting hysterical for HRC!

Faux liberal halfwits like U won't look beyond just one (s)election cycle into a more hopeful future 4 all!

Finally, try to read this: https://www.thenation.com/article/socialism-sotu-donald-trump-bernie-sanders/

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2290) from Fredericksburg, TX 5 months ago

Support for Trump includes spreading the responsibility for his treachery to others.

Wake up idiot! Your obsession with Jill Stein is just what Trump needs to distract fools from his crimes. I can only guess that's your object all along. Why do you pretend to be a decent human being, you conservative tool. ... Oh, right! That's what conservatives have always done.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 5 months ago

One would think that people on here would be angry about the Russians meddling, that they would be savvy to technicis of governmental authorities to manipulate, but when I post this information here it is met with political spin from political hacks that don't give a damn about the country only their political party.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2290) from Fredericksburg, TX 5 months ago

Whoa pardner! One blackhat at a time. Lumping Jill Stein in with Trump benefits Trump more than it serves truth and [self] righteousness!

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 5 months ago

I suppose if one's mind is particularly small it is necessary to "lump" stuff up, I don't suffer from that problem I can know many things at once like the fact that Trump is a POS and Jill Stein helped to empower him with Russian assistance, it is good to know ALL the ways the GOP and the Russians use to win if we are to defeat them!

BTW you got to have a lot of gall to support Jill Stein and talk about "self-righteousness".

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 5 months ago

It is important to remind people how evil Jill Stein is, Trump benefits from those that voted for Stein, truth is truth!

Trump didn't do it alone, he needed Flynn and Stein to help him.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33714) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

The DNC shot themselves in the head when they screwed Bernie and tried to shove sHillary down our throats! Your Right Trump didn't do it alone - he had Russia helping him as well as the DNC.

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 5 months ago

Don't forget Jill Stein she did her part too, can you really be blind to the the danger she poses? She was in Russia with Flynn that's a fact, no the Greens are not much of a threat these days and that is a good thing, but we can NEVER let our guard down from those that would elect more Republicans.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 4 months ago

Is there anyone here who loves Russia meddling in the U.S. Election of 2016?

I think that we had been a little bit safer with Trump than with Hillary Clinton. I feared that our troops' involvement in enforcing a U.S. no-fly zone in northern Syria proposed by Hillary Clinton would cause a direct conflict between us and Russia.

Well, my feared event didn't happen but Turkey, a member of NATO, irritated by Russian incursions into its airspace, shot down a Russian warplane near there. It was a close call alright because NATO/Russia war, eh? Yikes!

Our troops killed with called-in airstrikes hundred(s) of Russian mercenaries in eastern Syria who had probably thought that using many tanks in their ground attack would send our troops scurrying in the dark for their lives but they were very dead wrong. Our troops were wondering about what their attackers were (who might even be [though unlikely due to NATO memberships but Turkey seemed to be striving to create its own new empire] Turkish troops trying to clean out the Kurdish troops who are U.S. allies) but Russian de-confliction command said that their troops were not involved so our troops bombed away in self defense.

In both incidents, Russia showed forbearance in the grand tradition of the Cold War struggles. Without the Russian restraints, we and much of the World's population probably would not even be alive.

The Russian mercenaries who attacked our troops near the Euphrates River were probably sold out by their ultimate financing boss who switched their funding source to be from Iran instead of from Russia so they were told to attack the U.S. and Kurdish troops.

I regret the deaths of so many Russians who were probably pushed hard by the economic hardship to sell their lives to support their families and children at home. It's the result of the tit-for-tat adventures of Vladimir Putin to soothe his and Russia's wounded pride lingering from the breakup of the Soviet Union. Annexation of Crimea/East Ukraine's Russian mercenary war upheaval/shootdown of civilian flight MH-17 -> sanctions against Russia -> Russian economy suffered -> veterans (of which there are many due to Russia's significantly conscripted military force) had to sell their military service to make ends meet -> they provided Vladimir Putin with deniability that Russia was meddling in East Ukraine and later on in eastern Syria -> Russian military essentially took the mercenaries off of Russia's payroll -> they became working for Iran, probably unwittingly -> attacked U.S. troops -> being bombed to death.

Vladimir Putin should get this: your people have to eat [well]! Not U.S. bombs, not Russian hypersonic missiles (they probably need a nuclear bomb on each one to kill a target because targeting accurately at Mach-20 is extremely tough so a nuclear bomb will definitely help to increase the kill radius incurring much civilian destruction or "friendly fire") or underwater drones, but beef-stroganoff bomber sandwiches express-delivered to Venezuela for hunger relief! Toothache be damned... The soft noodles will hurt less once you've found the beef and pushed through the initial pain.

I wonder whether "honey on a cracker" I ate as a preschooler was actually "maltose on a biscuit" or not. Maybe it was actually "honey on a biscuit," or "maltose on a cracker." Cultural whiplash is a bit hard to handle. Do the Brits really put their groceries in the boot? The floor numbering is confusing, too, but still in better and more honest sense than that of the Trump Tower in Manhattan. Hmm, was the messenger delivering the Japanese declaration of war on the U.S. in WWII confused by floor numbering in the U.S. and thus sealing the fate of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Where was it supposed to be delivered? In a multifloor building? Or was the delay due to a traffic jam? Could the misunderstanding be due to the U.S. and Japan being on different sides of the International Date Line so Japan was already on December 8th when the U.S. was still on December 7th?

Here's A.R.M.Y. beef to help start. Make some malted drinks from the ample wheat harvest this year to celebrate the coming Russian (January 14th, 2019 [Old]) New Year. пшеница, вода, водка, конечно!

Ukraine should join NATO so that WWIII can start in or near the Balkans in the classical manner. Oops!

I sympathize with how God must have felt after commanding the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." I told a youngster after setting up the DOS-based personal computer, "You are free to try any command from what you see here; but you must not try this 'FORMAT' command, for when you try it your computer will surely die." Guess, what happened? Kid is kid. I should have told him to join the book-burning Hitlerjugend -- at least some "German Culture" would have survived the Birchencaust! Russia burnt the Trumpanzees' books.

The Nutzi says, "I am Purrfect. I am 'FORMAT.'"

ZeUS sagte: 》Ich halte den Blitz in der Hand.《

Die Zukunft gehört der Jugend... Valar morghulis, Valar dohaeris. Think, why Beslan? Why ISIS and Raqqa? But even after the Scotland-secession and later the Brexit votes, U.K. has not gone to ruins from civil wars.

However, Los Angeles burnt in riots after the Rodney King verdict. Shaken by the violence, he asked, "Can't we all just get along?"

My Mom said that our clan largely disqualified ourselves from being judges because we'd lost the bloodthirsty instinct to chop people's heads off. One judge found out that a convicted thief stole to feed his mother. He was set free and gifted with a batch of our clan's freshly caught and aptly named scrods to start selling fish doing business for himself. As a kid, I was amused; law was obviously not a career path for us. We've got scrod!

真钨不怕火, 怕火不真钨。It's because 金 gold + 乌 dark = 钨 wolfram/tungsten ion has very tight-hugging ionic radius. Fluorine ion also has similar high electric field at its surface which can make teeth resistant to corrosion.

How did soldiers find marbles to play in conquered lands and be comforted? They harvested women's nipples for marble play. Boys are boys, right... Why was a fetus bayoneted from a pregnant woman's belly and impaled in the air? She didn't bow down far enough to show respect to a Medieval-minded soldier due to her bulging belly getting in the way so the soldier cleared the obstacle and finished off the disrepect. Some countries and peoples modernized their external ways quickly without modernizing their inner ways correspondingly to restrain the newly found strength. These included Germany, Japan, and now Red China (though having an ancient substrate with inner ways to restrain wantonness, Communism's ways actually came from the invasion by foreign German Jewish thoughts as bastardized by dictators; during Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution, significant culture was lost; Taiwan has preserved the traditional Chinese culture more.) It's never good to subject people to involuntary cultural whiplash. My Brother was spanked because he didn't understand Mom's rules so due to his fear, he went straight to trigger Mom's fury over "perjury" and "obstruction of justice." I suffered even more from cultural whiplash but was so utterly clueless that I avoided Mom's wrath, inadvertently, due to my effective "honesty." "What's your class rank?" "I don't know where my new kindergarten reports it. They spoke Gibberish there. [ Regarding Gibberish, I followed the examples of the three monkeys (See no evil, Hear no evil, and Speak no evil.) Mom, a patriarchy-caused-nearly-illiterate education ZEALOT, was absolutely wasting her hard-earned money on my "élite" education before I was ready for doing Gibberish or was it actually Gobbledygook? I was wiser than my Brother because I knew that I didn't know.] "

Saudi Arabia (with its many Islamo-fascist groups brewed by its oppressive domestic policies and religious "charity" education in the various -stans) is another recently emerging country with this morality problem. Japan committed these war crimes and still refused to let their children know the truth. Maybe Japan can and will re-enact these atrocities again on the neighbors. Yep, here's looking at you, kid.

Marrying to form a pair bond is a good thing. The right match is important. Arranged marriages can sometimes be horrors but uncoerced though arranged marriages can work well. Families and relatives scrounge for prospects but they don't make the decision. Enriched environment providing opportunities for passion works well.

As an example, I as a young child savored reading the comparison of the phlogiston theory with the oxidation theory of burning in my Brother's used high school Chemistry textbook. I learnt that there were plausible ideas that had to be cast away regardlessly if they didn't fit the facts. I can and still talk about phlogistons but that doesn't mean that I believe in their supremacy over the chemical theories about oxygen, chlorine, fluorine, etc. Greek mythology falls into the same category. Zeus still holds the lightning bolts but we hold a single equation which we wield similarly. The four Maxwell's Equations are the four sparks shooting out to control most of our everyday realm of living from atoms (chemoelementons) and on up to bigger conglomerates, aside from gravity. Surface charge density and its adjunct ionic radius control life.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

so many words....

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 months ago

Having been a preschooler propping myself up in the bed against the wall after somersaulting towards it to relieve tension in the armageddon days of the Cuban Missile Crisis, I concur with JFK's speech a few months after the extremely narrow escape from nuclear annihilation: Peace, peace -- I think I understand. Peace, peace -- it's holding Jesus's hand.

Jill Stein might have been used by the Russians but it's NOT the reason why we got "the terrible-two" Trump who circles his little finger around the humongous Mother-of-God button. Having a sock puppet in charge is still better than a nuclear war between Russia and the U.S. arising out of Syria had Hillary Clinton (who certainly usurped Bernie Sanders's candidacy by buying the party nomination) won the 2016 Election. The Human Shield of the U.S. in Syria is important to keep peace there, regardless of the cost short of a nuclear war with Russia. Consecutive mistakes of administrations with respect to the stabilization of the volatile Middle East can be catastrophic. ISIL will re-emerge with a vengence. The time to withdraw from Syria depends on the emergence of the local population's ability to resist ISIL, Iranians, Hezbollah, and Russian mercenaries. If any turkey attacks our U.S. troops, roast it.

This is not disparaging Hillary Clinton as the former Secretary of State. She was an excellent diplomat and wielded influence very well in achieving national objectives but I'm chicken about getting into a nuclear war with Russia simply due to the sheer number of warheads it can throw. They may very well not work as commanded but who knows which ones? We spent a lot of money figuring out and/or improving the dependability of our own extensive collection of nuclear warheads. Russia did not.

Nor did other nuclear-armed countries, I think. Our likeliest (CCP's armed wing believes that it can beat the battle-hardened U.S. military, most likely due to its own made-up propaganda -- of course, this tends to happen a lot with the Great-Walled-In countries which censor external factual information to make their populace feel good about their countries' "strength;" exercising "strength" may be "why Beslan and Boston Marathon Bombing happened even after Russia had warned the U.S. of the danger of "the losers," the disaffected youth from the neighborhood of its war-torn restive region;" aside from national pride, what did Crimea give Russia except a hole in its pocketbook? Russia succeeded in fake-news meddling in other countries but it gets a global allergic response which only a dumbass would believe it's smart to carry a sack of sponges into the brook because on the last trip to the town when it was carrying a sack of salt, wetting in the brook for a while lightened the load) nuclear war opponent is Red China which has highly-enriched-uranium bombs from decades ago and plutonium bombs from the 1990s. Plutonium bombs are more compact and far more suitable for nuclear aggression overseas but they require high technological sophistication and maintenance. It's obvious that Red China has embarked on its voyage for global conquest.

Lesson three of the Global Plutonium Association: The hardest part to realize Megahard Corporation's vision is the obtaining of the aptly named plutonium (rich people's metal.) However, new underwater mechatronic and advanced computing technologies can retrieve and remake "loose nukes" from the Cold War's flying and shipping of nuclear bombs everywhere and losing them in the ocean, for mini-nuclear 1/11, 3/11, 5/11, 7/11, 9/11, 11/11 events worldwide. In the aftermath of 9/11/2001, nuclear radiation sensors were installed in New York. If we can sniff at the underground nuclear explosions of DPRK, we can also sniff at New York so much easier. When I was on Coney Island, I saw airplanes flying in their flight paths and a vision of debris floating in the water after feeling an immense sadness, like what I felt near the "sacrilegious" global-trade-replacing-Kaaba Sphere. Then there was the TWA Flight 800 crash. It felt terribly eerie as I watched the aftermath of that event unfold on TV. Hot idling aircraft engines plus a heat-seeking missile from an abutting military defense and training airspace zone seem a possible disastrous duo.

Do you eat seafoods from the sea? If you do, you are eating things from the Global Toilet Bowl. Here's my first identified "Circle of Life:" I pooped in a bathroom's toilet bowl in Manhattan. I flushed my excrement. The effluent flowed to the sewage treatment plant on an island of East River. The treated and sometimes untreated sewage effluent flowed down the river to New York Harbor and beyond to reach Coney Island where the crabs ate and drank the sewage effluent to become fattened. I went to Coney Island to trap the crabs there. I caught some, came home, steamed and ate them. They were digested and came out as my poop in a bathroom's toilet bowl in Manhattan. Thus in Wall Street parlance, the bottomline is: from my anus to my anus the circle was complete. I found yet another circle for the salt in my body, the water in my urine, the iron in my red blood cells, the calcium in my bones, the molybdenum in my vital enzyme which came from a few supernova explosions, etc. From stars' deaths, life formed.

Living deep down in this gravitational dimple called Earth, I am well connected to everything, including ancient events in the stars and the plasma/gas/dust pre-dating the formation of the solar system!

Where's God hiding in all of this? I haven't seen Him... Did you? Although invisible, God is indeed here so ponder and use your mind's eye @1:54 to "read"/feel the braille ( 》Blindenschrift der Zustandssumme 《 ) in between the lines. Jesus said that wherever two or three gathered in His name, He would be there. Why two or three but NOT one? @2:40 "It was the reflection of fire on the water." @3:06 "The Spirit of Love, the Spirit of Connection."仁=人+二 persons in two

Where was the jewel of "the Prodigal Son" parable stored? In some sense, it was indeed "the lucky sperm club" idea of elf3's but it was more than that. Every sperm is connected with an associated-with-others (remember? two or three! in my family's case, the immediate trigger was Dad's lunchtime socializing with his buddies but the enabling connections had been forged by himself decades and even more than a century ago by his Dad -- legacy endured in the minds of the people through our family name and intangible heritage, akin to an unwritten patent -- there were favors {"the wealthy," even the almost broke ones, trade these, often intangible things} given, taken, and sometimes returned or maybe passed on to unknown others) karma which can be CHANGED if one realizes that a present loss may yield a better future gain and a present gain may yield a terrible future loss. The realization becomes possible when one transcends the boundary of self. I doubt that Dad or Grandpa so long ago had such foresight into so far off in their futures that it could have guided their actions. I suspect that it was likely a kind of blunderbuss of favors. For example, my family housed and boarded the couple's kid who came visiting as a tourist. We also bought up the asset they could not sell to other people in time but they had to get rid of fast due to their life event. One can be wealthy with assets and yet be broke due to illiquidity (e.g., you cannot feed a car-parking meter with a one-hundred-U.S.-dollar bill! However, someone who only has two quarters can stop your car from being towed away or prevent you from getting a parking-violation ticket. Someone down on their luck perhaps having lost a job may be a little bit short of money to buy that train ticket to go home for a Thanksgiving family reunion. Gifting the person the money may enable them to connect with home, friends, and relatives to get a job.) A membership in the favor-trading "lucky sperm club" helps. There's some truth in the saying, "It's not what you know. It's whom you know that matters."

Another way to look at "the lucky sperm club" is that everyone alive has about half of their genetic composition as a member of that extremely exclusive club. There were often millions or tens of millions of other sperm wriggling and swimming hard in competition to reach and penetrate the ovum. Most often only one won. It could be harder or luckier than winning a lottery. Additionally, there were other selective factors. The ovum was no slouch relative to the sperm, either. It's the latest model from the victors who had won the evolutionary competitions through the eons. Then there were the embryos and fetuses which had been aborted naturally and artificially. Nearly everyone represents the latest and greatest model which eons of evolution could produce.

From where did the beauty of the lilies @3:15 come? It came from pollinating insects, seed, water, air, sun (a gravitationally confined nuclear-fusion reactor producing X-rays in its core,) and the mud (which organized first earthly life's molecules.)