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Forum Post: robert reich on wall street democrats

Posted 6 years ago on Dec. 9, 2014, 9:09 a.m. EST by flip (7101)
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In Washington’s coming budget battles, sacred cows like the tax deductions for home mortgage interest and charitable donations are likely to be on the table along with potential cuts to Social Security and Medicare.

But no one on Capitol Hill believes Wall Street’s beloved carried-interest tax loophole will be touched.

Don’t blame the newly elected Republican Congress.

Democrats didn’t repeal the loophole when they ran both houses of Congress from January 2009 to January 2011. And the reason they didn’t has a direct bearing on the future of the party.

First, let me explain why this loophole is the most flagrant of all giveaways to the super-rich.

Carried interest allows hedge-fund and private-equity managers, as well as many venture capitalists and partners in real estate investment trusts, to treat their take of the profits as capital gains — taxed at maximum rate of 23.8 percent instead of the 39.6 percent maximum applied to ordinary income.

It’s a pure scam. They get the tax break even though they invest other peoples’ money rather than risk their own.

The loophole has no economic justification. As one private-equity manager told me recently, “I can’t defend it. No one can.”

It’s worth about $11 billion a year — more than enough to extend unemployment benefits to every one of America’s nearly 3 million long-term unemployed.

The hedge-fund, private-equity, and other fund managers who receive this $11 billion are some of the richest people in America. Forbes lists 46 billionaires who have derived most of their wealth from managing hedge funds. Mitt Romney used the carried-interest loophole to help limit his effective tax rate in 2011 to 13.9 percent.

So why didn’t Democrats close it when they ran Congress?

Actually, in 2010 House Democrats finally squeaked through a tax plan that did close the carried-interest loophole, but the Democratically-controlled Senate wouldn’t go along.

Senator Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), one of those who argued against closing it, said the U.S. “shouldn’t do anything” to “make it easier for capital and ideas to flow to London or anywhere else.” As if Wall Street needed an $11 billion annual bribe to stay put.

To find the real reason Democrats didn’t close the loophole, follow the money. Wall Street is one of the Democratic party’s biggest contributors.

The Street donated $49.1 million to Democrats in 2010, according to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics. Hedge-fund managers alone accounted for $5.88 million of the total. Schumer and a few other influential Democrats were among the industry’s major beneficiaries.

Wall Street has continued to be generous to Democrats (as well as to Republicans).

The Democrats’ unwillingness to close the carried-interest loophole when they could also goes some way to explaining why, almost six years after Wall Street’s near meltdown, the Obama administration has done so little to rein in the Street.

Wall Street’s biggest banks are far bigger now than they were then, yet they still have no a credible plan for winding down their operations if they get into trouble.

The Dodd-Frank Act, designed to prevent another Wall Street failure, has been watered down so much it’s slush. There’s been no move to resurrect the Glass-Steagall Act separating investment banking from commercial banking.

Not a not a single Wall Street executive has been prosecuted for his involvement in the frauds that caused the mess.

Wall Street was the fourth-largest contributor to Barack Obama’s presidential campaign in 2008, and is already gearing up for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 run.

Hedge-fund and private-equity managers are donating generously to Priorities USA Action, a super PAC dedicated to getting her elected.

The hedge fund Renaissance Technologies has contributed $4 million to date. D.E. Shaw, another fund, has donated over $1 million. Khosla Ventures and Soros Fund Management have donated $1 million each.

Many Wall Street financiers have donated $25,000 (intended to be the maximum contribution) to the Ready for Hillary superPAC.

Robert Wolf, the former president of UBS’ investment bank who now has his own advisory boutique, told “Politico” that six in ten Wall Street types are Democrats, and that “when and if she decides to run, [Hillary Clinton is] going to have an incredible support foundation from Wall Street.”

Just because a candidate takes Wall Street money doesn’t mean he or she is beholden to the Street.

But the reason Democrats have pulled their punches with the financial sector for years is because it’s hard to punch the hand that feeds you.

This must stop. America can’t tackle widening inequality without confronting the power and privilege lying behind it.

If the Democratic party doesn’t lead the charge, who will?

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[-] 4 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 6 years ago

Gee what a shock. Another utterly predictable bash on Democrats from one of our fiscal conservatives posing as a disgruntled liberal in order to give conservatives an edge on voting day.

Read the following pages in order and all of the comments. The evidence is conclusive. Our site has been taken over by fiscal conservatives posing as disgruntled liberals in order to give conservatives an edge on election day.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/russell-brand-nails-it/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-challenge-all-of-you-russell-brand-promoting-mor/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/its-multiple-choice-time-which-president-elect-wou/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-readers-beware-our-site-has-been-taken-over-by/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/dncheadquarters-spinoza34-and-serfingusa-are-all-o/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/as-if-it-werent-already-obvious-my-critics-are-usi/

[-] -1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

i thought you would like this part - the last two lines - "This must stop. America can’t tackle widening inequality without confronting the power and privilege lying behind it.

If the Democratic party doesn’t lead the charge, who will?

[-] 3 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 6 years ago

Like I've said many times, no party will lead any such charge. We live in a society fully intoxicated by greed. Our government is horribly corrupt because of it. But the fact remains.

Democrats are the lesser evil. For this reason, I prefer Democrats and fiscal liberals to hold a slight majority in Congress and the Presidency.

[-] -2 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

we agree

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

Your heros the GOP are leading the charge now thanks in part to your hard work defeating the evil Dems.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

You do know that reich is a dem right?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

I know he campaigns for,votes for, and when he can works for Dems yes, Reich is a hard core Dem and hates the GOP as do I. I was referring to you and your GOP electing friends.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

you need to stop being an ass. do you understand anything about ows - the 99%. that means we accept lots of different point of view. now stop attacking me and comment on what your fellow dem said - be constructive for once.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

you need to catch up....I wrote about this a year and a half ago I just bumped it have a read....

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

you mean i need to catch up to what is written on this little website. sorry i have bigger fish to fry. glad you have been writing about what the dems need to do to solve this problem that reich points out - "To find the real reason Democrats didn’t close the loophole, follow the money. Wall Street is one of the Democratic party’s biggest contributors.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

Actually I wrote about how OWS could be a part of the solution instead of part of the problem, people waiting for others to fix things is the problem.

You meanwhile were working hard to achieve this great victory which you just had beating them evil Dems.

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

two countries one party

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

so Al Gore and W Bush just the same? you are an idiot! do I need to go into all that your reasoning has brought us?

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 6 years ago

Citi and JP Morgan Chase want the U.S. idiots to back up their humongous atomic pile in the omnibus interim spending bill. Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me. My beloved innocent children (did you get out?), ask not what your evil Dems can do for you, ask what they can do for the banksters.

The GOP is evil, too, trying to wring the EPA's budget allocation in the bill.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

all humans are but dirty rags, didn't you know that?

but boys the GOP are going to get their chance to do the stuff you have been wanting done, so congrats to you, on your huge win, beating down them evil Dems

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 6 years ago

Humans are more than dirty rags because of our potentials - "a bit lower than the angels" and the guardians of ALL living creatures that crawl, fly, creep, walk, swim, any and everything that has the breath of the Will in them; higher even than Satan, the jealous fallen archangel, due to our embodiment of the image of the Will. Humans are the Will's One and Only handle or bridge to the physical world. Even Satan, a being of the spiritual realm, must work through humans in order to corrupt the physical world.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

pride goeth before the fall

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 6 years ago

You see far too much power in me that my actions elect the GOP. I have no solicitation whatsoever from the GOP to help them get elected. It is the Voice of the American People, a vox populi.

Humans cannot fall because they are already at the rock bottom of this gravitational well. Besides, many creation myths have Man having been made out of clay, there is no pride there.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

each person has the power they have and it all adds up many here use what influence they have to dissuade people from voting for the Dems, those people have won the day and their choice, the GOP are running things for a bit now and we will see how they do....

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 6 years ago

What have I been wanting done according to your view? Our two parties' interpretation of "E Pluribus Unum" is the bipartisan gift toss to the banksters. The U.S. is living up to China's business enlightenment of "You can catch BIG fish in [our Congessional] murky waters!."

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

It is clear that you have wanting the Dems to lose and they have, so congrats to you on your huge win!

Your actions elect the GOP your heart may ache over what they do, but you are so insane you will continue to help elect them you are trapped in the 1% plan you just can't see a way out even when people like me stand there holding the light for you.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 6 years ago

Ja, ja, wir sind Amerikanern! Du bist ein Idiot. Ich bin ein Idiot, natürlich.

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

you need to talk to the grape about this one - good luck there. and let's see what it has brought us - drones - a trillion dollars for nukes - dems voting for citi bank- kill lists - no movement on climate change - oh, sorry those are democratic problems.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

as soon as he talks about why he supports the GOP and would prefer their policies,

you see the people who win the election are going to do shit, whether you vote for them or not, so i am willing to talk to anyone willing to address the real issue of how to move forward without electing the GOP, I just replied to a thread where I asked you to do that as I have many times you always reply with crap and run away because you have no answer to that.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

ok so where we differ is that you think by keeping out the gop things will be better. i admit that is a possibility but not likely. if we look at the past 30 years you can make the argument that the dems have been slightly less bad. sorry but that is not good enough for me. if you were slightly more sophisticated i could explain how some radicals think the dems are worse. it is a dem who has a kill list and prevents any real attack on the drone war. it will be a dem who cuts your social security - mark my words sonny

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

Sorry but people who say that they can find no difference between Al Gore and W Bush then want me to believe they can see though the 1% shit, is, well, full of shit.

If you were slightly more rooted in reality you would see the consequences of helping to elect the GOP as you do.

and I am sure you could dump at length on the Dems it is the flaws of the GOP you seem quite blind to

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

Flip is nothing more than - disinformation and distraction. He/She/It offers nothing to move forward - He/She/It and many of the same "site attackers" - have only one thing in mind = discord.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

even the words of fools may be used to enlighten

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

NO SHIT - SO - What exactly is wrong with the population at large - when "they" do not remove shit from office? This Truly confounds me. The fools speak freely of how they are screwing the population - and yet they get re-elected to office.

[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1756) 6 years ago

You guys are debating about around 20% of the overall population, pretty much split evenly between one half wanting to get screwed by one group, and other prefering a different flavor.

That subsection will be there till the end. No amount of unjust wars, murders, racism, sexism, off shoring or banker bailouts will ever get that section to move. They are the lifers. They will be there till their death bed.

The real issue is the political active underground aka Occupy and whatnot does a very poor job of organizing other options.

People debating over the montegues and the capulets has always been part of almost every society. Its really easy to process, left vs right, good vs bad, up vs down, etc. Humans like that shit, usually the further back in history we go, we see it increasing in effectiveness.

So in the end, what is wrong with the population at large is not what the actions of that 1/5 are doing, its what the other 4/5 are not doing to create something better.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 6 years ago

I'm not convinced by either major political parties claim to majority support

they do a very poor job of organizing

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

IMHO it is the ego, the ego says we will be rich so we allow the rich to do what they do, the ego tells us we see the weakness in others and we would do better so we don't support those we see as weak, the ego is bruised if we vote but still lose so we withdraw.....I might be able to go on but you get the point I think

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

What does Reich say about your boys the GOP? Didn't he serve in one of those Democratic Administrations? Wasn't it a Clinton he worked for?

Anyway see you are back at work defeating them evil Dems, congrats again on your recent huge win!

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

You should take it up with bobby no? I notice not a word denying what he says. Ver thoughtful as usual

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

if we are getting "thoughtful" is this where you just go straight to "oh god" as you did last time?

any response to just what is your answer to more GOP winning you seem to have none, except of course if everyone did just as you want it would be perfect but barring that you got no answer and you are fine with letting them win just so long as you think it will help you become King

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

if i become king you better run and hide. i will have obama's surveillance system in place so i will find you 1,2,3 - then we will have a real conversation. oh god is pretty much the only response to your boring rants - you need to come up with some different lines.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

I am sure you have many plans for when you become King.

I see your thoughtful response has no thoughts on how to keep the GOP from office.

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

no i don't - i do like grapes line (about the only thing i like from that weird twisted person) - two countries one party - he nailed it there no?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

no

you do like the same part he does though the part you keep helping to win the GOP part

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

Maybe if OWS put some pressure on some of these Wall Street Dems in their primary races they would stop supporting Wall Street and start supporting the same things OWS does, of course getting involved in the primaries means following through and supporting the candidate , ah but now all this is starting to sound like real work, real work to create real change....

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

is that what you do in az - the real work of knocking on doors etc. if so i take back everything i have ever said. i hope you are doing all of that for good candidates - are there any in az?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

the question is what are you doing? I have made many calls and knocked many doors, i have sat at tables on election day and driven people to the polls, the hard work of electing people is long and often you lose and have to get up and do it all over again, but people like you who care nothing of real people with real problems you care only for your own bullshit Green Party and you don't give a damn about the country.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

so i wonder - are you simply a here to sow confusion and discord. an agent for some koch brothers or dnc group that wants to make sure that even this silly little website cannot function. could that be - or are you just and ass. i mean a real stupid little weasel of a man who thinks he has some corner on the truth. now don't you agree that people like that are really the stupid ones. people who think they know what others think. who think they know the best and only way to move our political system forward and rant and rail at anyone who disagrees people who refuse to read history but continue to think that their way is the only way - they are the really stupid ones no - unless they are very very young

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

you have stated clearly why you are here to help elect the GOP so that your stupid dreams of power can be realized, I have as well I post here with the intent to kill the GOP because I feel they exist only to make the rich richer and I feel strongly that the rich are too damn rich, people like you who post here to elect more GOP piss me off

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

i have stated clearly why i am here and directly to you. but you want to twist what i say to your own little agenda. not sure why - a paid agent or ???? i really do not think you can be that stupid but maybe. we agree on everything you said except as you know i would say the gop AND the dnc - and you know the weird thing - i have the facts on my side! yea weird right. we are living through it right now and it is on the front pages but you can't (or is it don't want to) see it. there are none so blind as those who will not see!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

here you clearly state that you support the GOP because having them in office helps your cause

https://occupywallst.org/forum/one-who-hates-the-dems-explains-their-motives-good/

you do support the election of the GOP and you have said so

So I will be here to remind all about the things your buddies do and will do because remember they couldn't do it without your help!

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

did you mean the one where i ask you about nader's four issues and how both dems and gop agree on them here - "don't trust me - just respond to the four points - no sourcing needed. 1 the empire 2 outsourcing jobs 3 bailing out banks and 4 civil liberties- just in case you forgot. the policy on all four is similar under both dems and gop - the american people are against the policies of both on all four subjects" - or the one where i (correctly) point out that when the gop is in the presidency there is more agitation and protest here and around the world against drones and all of the four issues nader raises. that could lead to real change not the type you hope for.

and thanks for reminding me - you promised to answer the question about the four issues - how do your dems stack up on those important issues of our time??

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

There is the one where you say you like it when the GOP win because it helps your stinking Green Party to get support. it was the one where you said you didn't give a damn about the country just building your ego driven political party because like all political hacks all you care about is power.

here is the link again where you say you help to elect the GOP willingly and knowingly stop by and explain what you meant if you like but it reads clearly enough I understand why you choose to let those words stand you were quite clear in your support for the GOP.

https://occupywallst.org/forum/one-who-hates-the-dems-explains-their-motives-good/

Yeah just like Nader when he elected W Bush, because of course if you don't do just as Nader says you should give all your shit to the rich so of W Bush is your man, or another way to see it is that you are so stupid you can't find a difference between Al Gore and W Bush then you are better off letting the rich run things.

You go ahead and get us started tell us about your prefered party the GOP do they do or even better we will watch how they do now that you have helped to elect so many.

[-] -1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

dimwit

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

ROTFL!

It's so funny people who scream "repetitive" every time they are reminded of an inconvenient truth, fall back to the same one word answer every time they get their ass kicked by the The Facts this is just funny as hell! I do wonder if there are readers stupid enough to be fooled by your shit.

[-] -1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

you are repetitive - boring and repetitive. and the one thing you say over and over is so sad and stupid that it is hard to believe that it doesn't bore even you. dimwit

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

nothing is sadder than the W Bush years except maybe to forget how we got there, you work to elect the GOP and it is possible you don't know it, that is truly sad....

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

and after bush look what we got!! your boy in the white house - and both houses of congress - and 80 popularity! wow - what could be better. and then what - let's see bank bailouts - aig scandal - was - kill lists- spying on all of us. should i go on? how is that working out for you?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

so you elect the GOP instead, you have made your point, how's that working for you?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

I would like to direct you to this post from over a year ago where I called for OWS to get involved and challenge Schumer in the primary instead of complaining I suggest you do something. Who in New York and OWS opposed him?

https://occupywallst.org/forum/it-is-time-for-ows-to-get-involved-and-challenge-s/

so for those of us who pay attention this is not new i was concerned about this when something could be done, it still could be if you and yours would get your heads from your butts.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

i don't think me and mine are why schumer is still in power. glad to hear you were part of the movement to get him out. i am in nj so can't vote in the primary but i did send money to teachout to try to beat the corporate sell out cuomo. have no problem debating the best strategy for getting better candidates to vote for. what i do not like is those who attack others in the 99% because they believe in a different strategy. as i have said many times - to you and others. nobody knows the future - nobody knows the best way to get real justice for the 99%. those who pretend to have the best plan do not know history

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

you do nothing but tear down all Dems no matter what % they are in 99 or otherwise you care only for your ego whores the Greens, where were your responses to the post i put up a year and a half ago about Schumer you have no problem attacking him now though you still live in NJ why not then? Maybe because it didn't aid your true cause of co-opting OWS for your Green Party idiots.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

first i would like you to list those dems who support the 99%. then i would like to know how i have torn them down. i will give you one - i put up something about bernie supporting war and israel - i will do it again - we need to know who we are voting for. and ok you have pointed out one possibility as to why i didn't respond to your schumer post. another is that is did not read it because i read very few posts. i don't have as much free time as you.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

Your boys the GOP will be writing the laws for a long time what difference which Dems do this or do that you have helped to kick them from power.

The real question is why did the people in NY didn't get involved when they could have applied pressure on the Dems to change in the primaries, Greens like you don't care about the country you just want to build your ego driven party by co-opting OWS.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

they tried - i think it was your fault - by defending the dems at every opportunity you made too many voters apathetic - you made them think cuomo as worth supporting instead of the corporate republican he is. how about that for turn about? had you attacked cuomo in this forum for his conservative ways maybe more people would have got out the vote! DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTES PCT. Andrew M. Cuomo 330,184 62.2% Zephyr Teachout 182,024 34.3 Randy Credico 19,045 3.6

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

you will have to show me where I defended the Dems, want me to show you where you attacked them? or do you not need that? you sure beat the hell out them this time congrats on getting your boys the GOP in there you can be very proud, i will keep you posted on your achievements no worries the session will be a long one and your boys the GOP will be hard at work doing your bidding

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

ah your selective reading comes in handy - you missed this part no? - "dems who support the 99%" - do you want to name them for all of us. by attacking anyone who criticizes your beloved party you are supporting them no? and a bit of advice - let this one go. just slink away - if you try to explain how you are not supporting them i will use your logic against you - you know how right?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

you love the GOP that is why you work so hard to defeat their enemies you are responsible for all the GOP do and I will be here to remind you of what your preferred party the GOP are doing no worries there you can count on it

I attack the GOP and do all I can to defeat them and i admit that does help the Dems, you attack the Dems and do all you can to defeat them and you admit that does help the GOP we have discussed this already yes you may accuse me of helping the Dems and I will remind you of your love of the GOP no worries

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

so you support the dems? the party of the 1% - ok the party of the 3% - we agree now?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

What we agree on is you support the GOP by attacking the Dems and I support the Dems by attacking the GOP we don't agree on much else, seeing how you are all about making the rich richer

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

ha ha

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

I guess the winner sees it as more funny than I do but congrats to you on your huge win!

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

boring

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

I know actually doing stuff is boring sitting around with your head up your ass smelling your own shit is so much more fun,

Congrats on achieving the lowest voter turnout in over 70 years and the biggest GOP win in over 80 years you guys are effective too bad you're stupid as shit

here's what Reich had to say about people like you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcoNcbUFGgQ&list=UUExmL8PAa1O93bUIYN7BJ_A

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

you don't want to bring up reich do you? can i quote him also - you know what i am going to say right? and thanks for the compliment - i did not realize my power. do you think it was my postings here that drove down turnout or my conversations in the locker room?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

well there's that stupid as shit part showing through, if you had any balls flip you would answer my post about your love of the GOP or perhaps you feel you expressed your love as best you can there already, or how OWS could actually change the Dems instead of just bitching about it, sort of like the country you could change it but you prefer to bitch, the thing about Americans it is so much easier to talk them into doing nothing as you do than to get them out of the house to do something but you and the 1% count on that don't you?

still one can't deny you your victory in defeating them evil Dems

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

boring as usual. does this nonsense make you feel better or what? do you realize it is total crap or do you think you think you are making a difference

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

oh I think I'm doing about all anybody can on a forum, just telling the simple truth and calling idiots on their bullshit from time to time, it's no brother really, I find it relaxing, you of course have no desire to discuss the real world where the GOP have just had a huge win thanks to folks like you, you have no desire to even discuss if maybe we should try top elect fewer GOP, you don't give a damn about reality, so the real question is why do you post?

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

you post to relax yourself - self gratification - that is not what you should be doing here. it has the opposite affect on many here who are serious. i suggest you smoke pot or something. i try to post things that the radicals here will find informative and helpful - you are simply boring and annoying

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

you post to elect the GOP you said so here

https://occupywallst.org/forum/one-who-hates-the-dems-explains-their-motives-good/

at least that is your real world goal of course you spend much of your time in a world of your own creation where you dictate exactly what happens where you are King

I on the other hand see you here attacking Dems and electing the GOP which is what is happening here where the rest of us live where we have to deal with the shit people like you cause shit like the W Bush years

"radicals" like you keep the 1% in power

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

you can post that back and forth all you like. most people here can read and understand what they have read. you cannot. nobody believes your shit here - well maybe a couple - or maybe they are all you. grow up kid

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

and you can elect all the GOP you want, it's America man

[-] -1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

wow - what a thoughtful response. i wasn't expecting such an original and nuanced comment.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

Congrats on your huge win the 2014 elections getting rid of more Dems than had been done in decades you really won big in 2014!