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Forum Post: Republicans ( insane base or not to support such crap ) win out in the midterms - while Democratic voters stayed at home ( insane non-action considering what the rep party has been doing to the middle class as well as to the poor )

Posted 7 years ago on Nov. 5, 2014, 7:43 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN
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So

What can we expect to see in the next two years?

Can you believe it? 2/3 of the democratic voters are said to have opted out in these mid-terms.

OK - OK - YES I can understand the disgust with our government.

What I Can NOT understand - is - turning it over to those who are driving you and I and the rest of the world face 1st into the mud.

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[-] 8 points by Shule (2638) 7 years ago

This should be a lesson to all Democrats. If you keep on putting up corporate quislings for candidates, you'll end up with Republicans in office.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

The screw you strategy

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[-] -3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

Remember this? "Republicans are History, They're out of the picture..., Partisan politics are moot"

IDIOTs!!!!!!! IDIOTs!!!!! IDIOTs!!!!!!!!!!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-politician-and-electorate-information-gap/

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

It's so sad that so many people seem to need to be beaten to within an inch of their life before they even open up their eyes.

This shit about voting one way this time and the opposite next time when good things don't materialize in a term of office has got to stop. People need to look at why good things did not happen = note the guilty party or parties and yank their sorry asses out of office - rather than play - well I voted this way last time and look what it got me - so now I will vote the opposite this time.

But the true insanity of this last election - Is - that people voted for the assholes who have been very public about driving the public face 1st into the mud. WHAT IN THE HELL IS UP WITH THAT ???

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

One party was voicing their desire to do so, while the other one was actually doing it.

Hey don't worry, Im sure if you get another 08 election everything will just magically shape up and sunny days will be here again!!

In the grand scheme of things 96% of all politicians just retained power. so really nothing changed much at all. Same shit, different election.

[-] -3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

2/3 of American Voters decided not to vote.

Lowest Voter turnout since the height of WW-2.

Way to be Played Non-Voters!

One small step for 1% fascism, one giant leap for 99% Idiocracy!

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

When government fails to represent their population - they fall.

2/3's of the population seem to be saying that government does not represent them.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Hmmmmmm - and we are sure he was arrested? I mean - you know - being a cop and all.

I see where the Mayor of St. Louis is being prudent - calling out the National Guard in preparation for that murdering cop not to be indicted. Pretty sad state of affairs that that cop is gonna go free - considering all of the evidence that shouts MURDER of an unarmed individual.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 7 years ago

No relationship between Law and Justice.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Who says ya gotta be James Bond to have a license to kill.

Darren Wilson probably won't be indicted - because the prosecutor likely said that the officer was having a bad day and Brown was uncooperative when the officer wanted to roust him to make himself feel better - and so as all could see - the shooting was justified just for the irritation factor alone.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 7 years ago

Yes, that is how they think.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Imagine the effrontery - when all he was 1st gonna do was just hurt him a little.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (5843) 7 years ago

US Law means nothing.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

What do you mean? It's the best money can buy. Ya just gotta be rich - and - oh - even if rich it also helps not to be a minority.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

Wow, the Koch Bros, McTurtle, Boner, MSM Pundits, Fox & Friends, and the good people of Americans for Prosperity would wholeheartedly agree with you.

Way to be Played, Way to be Played...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Go deal with your issues - it's more than obvious that they have impaired your ability to reason clearly.

[+] -4 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

You mean by turning to the Dark Side, is that what you mean by dealing with issues, is that what you did? You used to say the Cons were history, now you say the People have spoken. Is that clear reasoning? Hmmm?

Did Miley Cyrus blow your narrow conservative mind? I think so. Or was it in conjunction with marriage freedom, pot legalization, higher minimum wage, and the glaring need to control gun nuts? All, I'd bet.

The "Government" that orchestrated the "failure to represent" Won the election! That 1%-led "government" Won by playing dis-informed, disenfranchised and both-same apolitical dummies and chumps into joining forces and either Vote Con directly or do it by forfeiting their right to Vote.

Being played that badly must be hard to reconcile with. But it's not like we didn't warn you. In fact, it's like you've been on the Dark Side all along.

Doesn't a nice non-partisan drum circle sound really good to you right now?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Look - all I did was point out in a comment - what should be plainly obvious to anyone and everyone - that 2/3's have dropped out of participating in the process because they feel ( rightly so ) that government does not represent them.

So you go and tell me that I got played. Your thinking is messed up.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

Who won then? The 1%-GOP!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

No Shit - but it had nothing to do with me getting played.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Weeeeeeeelllllllllllllllll - really?

I mean - yeah - a lot of democraps are totally wishy-washy - but - then to decide that axe murderers are abetter choice? Ummmmm - IMO - "that" is totally insane!

[-] 7 points by Shule (2638) 7 years ago

I mean like - grrr - a lot of democraps are repulsicans in disguise. No need to roll out of bed to vote for that.

To top it off, look at who the Demcraps are putting up for Prez in the next coming election; the war whore herself Hillary......

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Hitlary - my gosh what a fuckin bitch - and one of those faux democraps that you mentioned above - as she and her hubby are both f'n corp(se)oRat lackeys.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

They don't use axes anymore, they use bombs mainly via drones in the sky.

[-] 5 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

Big Media has been telling us this foe decades

If you don't vote| you get republican

If you do vote| you get democrats

so the vote ain't all that there legitimate

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Matt help me out does "big media" saying something make more or less so?

Seems to me what you get depends on how most folks vote, now sometimes it's a close vote and things get fuzzy but for the most part people get what most of them vote for.

Now getting something good depends on how folks see things, that's where OWS could change the world, but it seems most here have little interest in changing things.

[-] 5 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

How about you stop worrying about what everyone else is doing, and start worrying about what YOU are doing?

Are you helping with any local political parties?

Are you helping with any local groups?

Are you doing anything in the community on your own without anyone asking you?

Are you busting your ass to create something that will provide some help to people, either spiritually or financially?

My god, no offense, but you are like a lot of people in Occupy, standing around declaring that "we" need to do something but not putting anything in motion and then following through with it.

Stop declaring what everyone else has to do, and start leading. It starts with you.

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Congrats on your guys winning.

[-] 5 points by spinoza34 (400) 7 years ago

There are no "winn[ers]" and losers amongst us here, only 'losers,' until we can learn to tolerate and respect our differences on how success will be won, and then work hard to see that, that victory is our's. So no need for congratulations...yet.

[-] 6 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

''The 2014 midterms did not change the dominant reality we face - one of substantial ongoing political stalemate and decay - and this sets the terms of reference for those serious about long-term fundamental change.

''There have been endless post-mortems on the 2014 midterm elections, complete with explanations proffered as to why Democrats and their allies failed so spectacularly, and projections of doom and gloom lasting until the next election cycle. However, in a profound sense this election changes very little. The dominant reality we face is one of substantial ongoing political stalemate and decay, and this sets the terms of reference for those serious about long term, more fundamental change.'' from ...

''The history of the progressive era, the New Deal and the civil rights movement suggests that it is well within the range of possibility that a movement with a long-term vision based on innovative experimentation can successfully lay the groundwork for far-reaching national change.

''Such a movement could ensure that successful local developments become commonplace, thus disrupting current institutional economic and political arrangements and building constituencies and institutions as a base for a longer term transformation. Serious engagement with this challenge - rather than listening to endless, repetitive commentary on the election - is where a real response to the growing crisis is to be found.''

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 5 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

Gar is on point as usual.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

You must be very proud of your guys Shadz, they won more house seats than the MSM thought they would but you have been working extra hard to help elect them, you must be very happy with the Dems losing so many seats seeing how you hate them so.

[-] 7 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

Because the Democrap Pols are, bought and paid for ; pseudo-progressive ; actually reactionary ; venal Bansker owned ; pro-Imperial War Machine ; Corporate Ass Defending .. 'kissy-sell-outs' and I don't like or trust them, does NOT make me a Repugnant supporter, you duopoly-deluded, reductionist half-wit !!!!

The Corporate Co-opted Democrap Pols got kicked to shit in the midterms because The 99% got it loud and clear that Dem Pols & Obomber were too right-wing & don't represent them !!!

Over 60% of the US electorate didn't vote ffs frf - 'cause the DNC has forsaken them but that also greatly increases the chances of Hitlary in 2016 - because Jeb Bush is probably the only other option ... HOLY fkn SHIT & the Corporate War Machine rumbles on !!

You're pathologically unable to see, understand or accept my view and further words or links would be useless and I'm tired and for my bed now. Please talk some more shit to me so I can append damning links to corroborate my case !

Meanwhile, re. Wall Street :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] -3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

NO, it philosophically and ideologically makes you a Tokyo Rose ~ AGENT PROVOCATEUR!!

Or just an evil 1%-GOP Koch-Sucking scum bag bitch!

Enjoy the special hell reserved for LIARS!

[-] 6 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

Has anybody any idea, wtf this idiot is brain-farting about above ?!!! Is he another - DNC ass-licker, too deeply programmed to be able to see that his petty 'party political' fixations are totally counter to basic OWS tenets & long term 99% interests ?!! Read the following article 'WendySquid/JiffySmith', & see if you can extract your large head from your even larger ass, so as to see some light from your darkness !

e tenebris, lux ?

[+] -6 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

Blatant subterfuge, RECRIMINATION and (feigned) Righteous Indignation! So grindingly typical, so damn old, is it possible that Cons are petty enough to lend Bitch McTurtle's Advisers to minor TROLLS like this Tokyo Rose, Agent Provocateur Bitch? Yep! They are. They most certainly are.

Yeah, IT'S all about encouraging massive Voter disengagement, False Equivalencies and aiding & abetting 2/3 of American Voters to forfeit their Voter Rights, letting even more evil 1%-Con fascists to sabotage our government and allowing even more 1% Laissez Faire and anti-Progressive Governance. As you well know, YOU FILTHY STINKING PRETENTIOUS PIECE OF SHIT! SHADZSIXTYSIX: Anti 99% Troll!!

Is it possible the facilitators of this web site will continue to turn a blind eye to this obvious agent provocateur's deleterious operations.

[-] 5 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

Looks like those notorious DNC ass-kissers, snooz and MadDog left a foul-mouthed protege behind ! It does seem to some that the radicals & liberals of the Pacific Northwest still do have some pro-99% fire left in their bellies but I'm guessing that you are a 50+ yr old Dem, who heard stories from your parents about FDR & JFK & so judge Dem Pols with those ''rose'' tinted goggles !! Your deep tribal allegiance to that now heavily Corporate Corrupted half of the Duopoly, is as touching as it misplaced but d'you even remember Hitlary's hubby Bill, who signed Glass-Steagall away, or NAFTA or his destruction of social-security OR Obummer's signing of NDAA ; TPP / TTIP ; failure to prosecute Wall St. Criminals ; Gitmo etc. Etc. ETC. ... you fkng, toilet-mouthed, gin-soaked, amnesiac loon !!!

Now from Prof. Petras' article above, I will abridge the following for you ...


''Obama’s rhetorical flourishes attracted millions of young activists, women and minority voters and leaders to work for his election and the Democratic Party. He won a resounding victory! And so the Democrats took control of the House and Senate.

''The rhetorical exercise was a massive smoke screen. For his electoral campaign Obama raised over one billion dollars from the ‘1%’ - Wall Street bankers, Hollywood media moguls, Silicon Valley venture capitalists, Chicago Zionists and the Mid-Western business elite. Obama was clearly playing a double game – talking to “the people” and working for ‘the bosses’.

''A few analysts cut through the demagogy and identified Obama as the ‘Greatest Con-Man of recent times”, the Washington counterpart of the contemporary Wall Street swindler Bernard ‘Bernie’ Madoff.

''According to the somewhat more skeptical liberals and progressives, Obama would have to ‘choose’ between those who elected him and those who groomed and bankrolled him.

''Obama quickly and decisively resolved the progressives’ ‘dilemma’. He re-appointed the two central officials who designed disgraced President Bush Jr’s war policy and Wall Street bailout: Robert Gates was confirmed as Secretary of Defense and Timothy Geithner was renewed as Treasury Secretary. Obama followed by teaming up with the head of the Federal Reserve, Benjamin Shalom Bernacke and Treasury Secretary Geithner to launch a multi-year trillion dollar bailout of Wall Street, while hundreds of thousands of Obama voters had their mortgages foreclosed and millions of workers, who voted Democratic were fired and remained unemployed, because Washington prioritized Wall Street recovery of profitability over funding job-creating public works.

''By the end of 2010, sufficient masses of Obama and Democratic voters were disenchanted to the point of not voting in the Congressional elections: The Democrats lost control of the Hse. of Representatives.

''The most lucid and clearheaded progressives understood that nothing more was to be gained by waiting patiently ‘at the gate, like benighted pilgrims’ for their president Obama’s gaze to ‘turn left’ or for the Democrats to reverse course in Congress. Hundreds of thousands of citizens shook off the trickster’s spell and took to the streets blocking financial districts. ‘Occupy Wall Street’ – direct action in the streets, citizens clearly targeted the principle source of the economic crisis and the real power behind the demagogic rhetoric of the White House confidence man.

''Federal, state and local police broke up, arrested and incarcerated the peaceful activists. The Occupy Wall Street movement, under massive and coordinated police-state siege, and without political direction, dispersed and disintegrated. (*But not here on this forum, I might add*)

''The major reason for the Democrat’s debacle in the ‘mid-term elections’ was the high rate of abstention and lack of activists getting out the vote. In many states, where the Democrats lost, the overall rate of abstention among eligible voters approached seventy percent. And there is reason to believe that the vast majority of non-voters (aka – the ‘none of the above’ voters) were Democrats, people disenchanted or hostile to Obama’s betrayals and, in particular, voters who believed that he had deceived or ‘conned them’.

''The Republicans rode to power by exploiting discontent with Obama’s ‘Five Waves’ of reactionary policies; they will now co-operate with him in launching a ‘6th Wave’. The Republican Congressional majority will embrace Obama’s proposal to ‘fast-track’ free trade treaties covering Asia and Europe, currently blocked by House Democrats and opposed by US trade unions.

''The Republicans will join with Obama in backing corporate tax ‘reform’, which substantially reduces the tax on US multinational corporations’ overseas earnings in order to end the hoarding of profits in low tax countries – while intensifying austerity on American workers and the poor.

''In other words, Obama will now openly coordinate with his Republican counterparts on an agenda they have shared from the first day he took office. This time Barack Obama, the Con-Man, will have to play it straight and cut the populist palaver– Republicans and their business partners demand economic payoffs and overseas military victories. Obama, the ‘cowering Con-Man’, has been unmasked by progressives and is cornered by the Republicans''

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I could have excerpted so much more but no matter how much you are in denial Wendy, you do get the point & you do see the arguments .. BUT alas your deep, irrational faith in the DNC detaches you from the reality that is now in front of your very nose and indeed ... ever was it thus with religious blind faith !

I feel sorry for you really - guaranteed as that is to enrage you further, lol but you're deluded IF you think that the Corporate 'Kissy-Sell-Outs' of the DNC or Dem Pols on The Hill &/or Hitlary {as opposed to long suffering Dem voters} are anything other than 1%ers and enablers for The 0.01% Parasites & the MIC !!

The arguments have been laid out above in this reply and previous reply-comments above and below ... by others and I .. but your addiction to the 'D&R' paradigm precludes any analysis so I'll end by asking d'you think that IF Dem Pols would've listened to OWS ideas - that you'd be in the shit you're in now ?!!!

veritas vos liberabit ...

[+] -6 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

False-Flag Agent-Provocateur Koch-Sucker COCK SLOBBER, with a cheap Latin closure. Who still buys this Koch-Whore's spittle?!

Careful SSS, you'll pull a hamstring cheering so hard for 1%-Con Success and 99%-Dem defeat. One small step for 1% fascism, one giant leap for 99% Idiocracy! Way to BE PLAYED, Non-Voters!

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

''In Washington, it doesn't matter if you are a Republican, Democrat or independent: Money reigns supreme. During the last election, a number of global corporations contributed to both candidates in hotly contested Senate races. Corporations don't really care who does their bidding.

''This year's record-shattering $4 billion midterm elections sent a toxic message to average Americans: It doesn't matter who won, when elections are funded by global corporations and special interests, everyone loses.'' from ...

''Let's stop kidding ourselves that voting alone will somehow magically change a system that has been decades in the making. It must be dismantled and evolved into new configurations of civic participation and collective action. But first, a simple act is required of us. We need to admit the truth. And then we need to respectfully talk to one another about what might be done about this problem.''

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You are going the same way as those other DNC boot-lickers like snooz (ex-Libertarian) ; ZionDog (ex-''Repelican'' voter & GirlFriedHead (ex-Mormon) in that your genuine but misplaced apoplexy is curdling your wits. You can't handle the truth of the extent of 'Dem-Pol-On-The-Hill' sell out of The 99% - and the strength of resistance on this forum to Democrap co-option. I guess you'll be missing out on your Xmas bonus from the DNC, huh ? ;-)

ipsa scientia potestas est ...

[-] -3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

Money makes you wet, wanton, and whore!

PEOPLE, only Cons don't COMPROMISE, they hate DEMOCRACY!!!

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

If you talk any more shit Wendy, then you'll have nothing left to do when your ass hits the seat of the throne in your littlest room, you graceless numpty !!! You need head from ass extraction !! Do it asap !

fiat lux ...

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

Still Drunk with victory and reward, how fortunate for you, KOCH WHORE!

[+] -7 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

DNC and their ass-lickers all got their asses kicked a couple of weeks ago you must dancing for joy Shadz congrats to you and all your kind on your great election victory sending all them evil Dems home.

[-] 6 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

IF you think that anyone here is rejoicing at The 99% being sold down the fkn river by the Corporate Co-opted, Corrupted & Controlled Dems - then you're a wilfully stupid ; partisan ; 'can't see past your nose' ; blithering idiot .. a bit like your pal 'WendySquid/JiffySmith' above.

You have got a new forum-post so I'll 'discuss' the DNC / Obummer 'kissy-sell-out' of The US 99% - later there ... IF you are up to it but trying to make out that I have anything whatsoever to do with The Pro-1% Repugnants .. is palpable lunacy to anyone who has been on this forum for longer than a day and you're a duopoly deluded, binary-blinded, partisan oaf, for even thinking - never mind saying, that.

fiat lux ...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

You do nothing but bitch about Dems now you get what you want and they are thrown out of office, and still you're not happy?

I think the only thing that will make you happy is to make you King!

congrats again on your big win defeating the Dems you hate so much

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

For fux sake frf ! It's almost as if you don't read what I write to you in my responses !! Now try to re-read my previous reply - never mind any articles that I may link to, lol !!! + Perhaps pls try to read these too :

respice, adspice. prospice ...

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

lol

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

You post always your hatred of the Dems now they lose seats and control of the Senate and you claim you don't rejoice?

Congrats again on YOUR victory defeating the evil Dems.

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 7 years ago

When money is DEBT,people are SLAVES.What have the Democrats EVER done to change this basic paradigm?

[+] -5 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

In 1993 they passed, without a single GOP vote, a bill that led to a balanced Federal Budget less than 8 years later.

Congrats again on getting them Dems out of office.

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 7 years ago

That has nothing to do with the issue I am trying to discuss. The Federal Reserve System has been in place for 100 years and both parties are happy to grant the right to issue paper currency to a private b:ank and then have the Dept.of Treasury BORROW all that is included in the initial issue back AT INTEREST.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

I see so you don't give a damn about wealth inequality you are here to discuss minisue.

[+] -6 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

you are so happy about the Dems losing you are making no sense at all but that's normal for you, still congrats on getting all them evil Dems out of office

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

Please put The Stupid Pills down - and step away from the clown shoes ! Follow the links from this one:

I can help explain what I meant IF you are confused (which you surely are!) but you'll have to ask nicely.

ne quid nimis ...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

go ahead and express your joy here on the site shadz, you know I don't bother with you links if it's worth saying put it here. I know you are jumping for joy what with all them evil Dems losing

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

''A Sober Look at U.S. Democracy'', by Lawrence Davidson :

Please stop wearing your spinning bow-tie ; funny hat and clothes ; made up silly face and your over-sized clown-shoes - when making replies to me ... you graceless numpty !!!

temet nosce ...

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

So you have broken out your party clothes to celebrate the Dems loses?

My hat is off you, your posts did their job the Dems got their asses kicked!

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

So which ''hat'' is that then ?! The one alluded to before here : https://occupywallst.org/forum/i-believe-in-what-the-democrats-are-fighting-for-e/#comment-1051896 ?!! Wear it if it fits - but stop talking out of it !!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Congrats again on your big win!

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

reminds my of 2012

no mention of third party

[+] -6 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

and no effort by OWS to create any change

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

one can be bitter but after ten years that gets old

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

seems like it was just a couple of weeks ago and every day I look here there are still even today people like you who still work to elect the GOP I suppose you must be happy the war waging Dems have lost seats

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

republicans wage war to

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Then why do you help to elect them?

[-] 3 points by flip (7101) 7 years ago

nice job

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

I see little effort to reach out to Dems or liberals in general I see a lot of people helping to elect the GOP so yes congrats are in order for all of those that consistently spend their time here attacking Dems and they represent most here I think now, most here work to elect the GOP so congrats are indeed in order..

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

the bow to the MIC wins vote or no

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

those like yourself that hate Obama and the Dems must be at least a little bit happy knowing there are fewer evil Dems in office

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

Big Media, MSM, is owned by the 1%, who are the Charlie Manson to the RepubliCon Cult. MSM only reports enough news to keep it commercially viable.

1%-Cons and Played Non-Voters have the same answer for what we should do: Absolutely Nothing.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Damn Matt - so much from you all at one time - are you alright? - should someone call 911 to get you proper help? Such an effort exhibited by you - and so sad that the last line of your communication is so ( what ? ) garbled.

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

i thought that was only on my connection

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

What? You saying you thought you were garbled only on your own perceptions? If so. Sorry but you are as garbled on the outgoing as I guess you are on your incoming.

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

oh no

I am understandable

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

I am understandable

As what? An on purpose/intentional idiot?

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

deriding me won't change that

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

I am not deriding you - just giving you what you are due - you have been purposely cryptic for your whole time here on the forum - despite numerous/constant requests for you to be more complete in your comments.

[-] 7 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 7 years ago

Understanding Matt is easy,if you study his comments.As in Latin,parts of the comments actually are there,but have dropped out due to a unique system.Also you need to pay attention to what he does not say and can't be inferred from what is there.If there is some reason for Matt to change his ways,I can't imagine what it might be.Perhaps Matt does not wish to communicate with people who speedread these comments without carefully considering the content.Also,this commenting style does often reflect the Zen of Ambiguity.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 7 years ago

I love Matt! He's consistent as hell! And certainly deserves his place here on the forum...like everyone else.

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 7 years ago

I enjoy his comments & get alot out of them.Also-yours.Anybody who isn't actually trolling or aggressively proselytizing does not need to conform for the purpose of pleasing the other people who frequent the Forum-IMHO.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 7 years ago

I'm with dka on this ...in a world of crowded blogs, astroturfing, bot responses, and communication confusion ...it is nice to have plain speech and clear ideas...if I wanted to speculate ...id watch the talking head pre election banter...sorry matt its like trying to guess what my dog is thinking...ultimate determination (cookies) or not much at all...

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

what i hear is republicans and democrats speculate long term continence

[-] 4 points by GypsyKing (8708) 7 years ago

Given the abysmal turnout in the mid-term election this year, I am suspending any political essays, or contributions to social media for the foreseeable future, and will devote myself strictly to literature, to the best of my ability.

Thanks to all here who worked so hard for several years. we did raise some consciousness, but American stupidity begins to assume the shape of the black cloud of death, and standing here with nothing but shorts on I think its time to roll.

[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (23620) 7 years ago

We are left with a bad government that has no mandate. That is better than a bad government that has a mandate.

OWS has changed the conversation and planted the seeds of watershed change, but the kind of change we need takes time so you've got to have patience.

[-] 4 points by spinoza34 (400) 7 years ago

Here's a true story about a person who, like you is a writer. Take from it what you will. For me, a quality, or a principle, like persistence transcends whatever endeavors we intend to take on, and that is especially so now, when you consider the crappy consequences we would all face if we were to lose. So here goes my story...

"I wrote a book. It sucked. I wrote nine more books. They sucked too. [laughing] Meanwhile, I read every single thing I could find on publishing and writing, went to conferences, joined professional organizations, hooked up with fellow writers in critique groups, and didn't give up. (my boldface) Then I wrote one more book." - author (sucessful) Beth Revis

That next book was called Across The Universe, the first of a trilogy of young adult science fiction books. Her following books were called A Million Suns and Shades of Earth. Ms. Revis's books also got her on The New York Bestseller List for Children Chapter Books.

You do not speak for me if you have decided to quit.

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 7 years ago

As long as the Voters continue to respond to manipulation in a predictable,repeatable behavior pattern,the Game will continue.The whole Hope and Change thing was designed to bust the cherry of the Millennials so they would disengage and become Bitter and Cynical.Worked exactly as intended.Nobody can quite figure out the Lesser of 2 Evils at this point.Voters should be figuring out that nothing changes,except a gradual worsening as we reel from Crisis to Crisis.The Voters will be figuring it all out.Any day now...

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Un F'n believable is all that I can say - as it truly is - Un F'n believable.

How can people be so blind - so stupid?

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 7 years ago

Yes! The American People will figure out the Media is a Shillfest! They will be figuring it out Any Minute! They will be taking Responsibility to find out the Truth! Any day now,they will figure out the Truth and confront the Reality that Now They Must DO Something!ANYTHING is better than doing NOTHING! Any Year now! It could Happen Any Decade! Probably it will Happen in this Very Century! YES! Power to The People!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Perhaps in a millennia? Cause I just gotta say - the voting - well - it was Drain Bamaged - to say the least. Maybe some in ol Kentuk will wake up when they lose their health care but keep their web site. Swis-sconny? Who the hell knows what will wake them up..................................

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 7 years ago

Iceberg-straight ahead.This cozy Deck Chair is taken,and the spot next to me is taken.No shitty looking Trailer Trash is telling me ANYTHING.Tell me what I wanna hear or STFU.I ain't gonna Budge until the Booze is finished.This Boat is Unsinkable.I am NOT getting up out of this chair.Somebody is going to rescue us.Fuck Icebergs.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Iceberg-straight ahead.

Open all watertight doors and compartments UN-batten the hatches jettison the lifeboats reverse the bilge pumps - full speed ahead.

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 7 years ago

Let's break out the Good Booze! Somebody throw those Poors overboard-they are blocking out the Ocean View!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

OK - but - it just doesn't seem right - as they are the only ones who paid for the trip. Guess they should have known better.

[-] 5 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 7 years ago

When you know the Truth,you have to put aside selfish pursuits for an indefanate period of time.There are things so awful-or important,that acknowledging them and NOT taking immediate steps to do something about them is simply not an option.This is where the willful ignorance comes from.They can't be that stupid.It is not possible.They prefer Fox News because Fox News tells them what they want to hear.My parents taught me to be suspicious and investigate the second I am being told what I want to hear,because under normal circumstances,it it very rare for anyone to tell you exactly what you want to hear.Most often is is that you are having "sunshine pumped up your ass," as my mother would phrase it.Most Americans ,for instance,would rather talk about suspicions and weirdness related to 9/11/01 than insist on a real and impartial investigation by qualified detectives.We have many of the best detectives and forensics experts in the world who could get to the bottom of 9/11/01.They will never do so in an official capacity because then action would need to be taken,and it;s moar comfortable to talk about conspiracy theories and such than upset the applecart by having to punish the guilty parties and take steps to insure that nothing like it can ever happen again.Same thing with the '08 Crash and all the other clusterfucks,time after time.Now with the NSA monitoring all communications,no effective organizing can ever take place.TPTB has decided they would rather deal with a panic stricken mass of people with no leaders when the SHTF.They should have been more careful when they wished for that.Bad people take advantage of those kinds of situations.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

It makes me sad to think about the March against Global Warming - and the huge turn-out in New York and in other cities around the world that day - and then see the clusterfuck of this last election.

But some places have actually succeed in accomplishing some good:


In the wake of a rough election this week, one number was on my mind.

No, not the number of new Senators that deny climate change even exists. No, not the massive amounts of money the fossil fuel industry threw into races across the country. No, not new vote counts or margins of victory.

The number that I kept coming back to as I watched the returns come in was 400,000.

Six weeks ago 400,000 of us jammed the streets of New York demanding climate justice. Six weeks ago our movement was on display for the world, and it was beautiful. Our spirits were high, our sights were set, and we were ready to rock.

Tuesday didn’t change that.

Amidst the many challenging outcomes on Tuesday were a few bright spots:

  • Communities in Texas, California and Ohio banned fracking in their towns and counties;

  • In the shadow of the huge Chevron refinery, the city of Richmond, California beat back a $3 million campaign blitz by Chevron and elected a truly progressive slate of candidates that had run on an anti-Chevron platform; and

  • In Nebraska, Keystone XL’s biggest cheerleader in the House of Representatives lost, thanks to pipeline fighters organizing and turning out.

What did these wins have in common? Communities rose up, they truly organized, used the facts to guide them and they ran straight at our progressive values and were unashamed of speaking truth to power. In short, they played our game and not the game of big money and a broken political system.

And if we look around, we’re winning big in other places too. Oil Change International’s recent report shows that our movement’s campaigns against the tar sands cost the industry over $17 billion in lost revenue and have helped keep billions of tonnes of carbon in the ground. Our impacts have been so large, they match right up with any of the Obama administration’s climate policies.

So, now is no time to back down.

We must not apologize for wanting a just, sustainable future for the generations to come and an end to the dirty economy and broken political system we have today. We need to play our game, because when we do that, we win.

As we look forward, that’s what Oil Change International pledges to do. With you, we’re going to continue to stand up to Big Oil, Gas and Coal, look them straight in the eye, and fight back.

More than ever, we need your voices echoing in your communities, your feet on the street, and your fists in the air. And for those that can spare it, any contribution goes a long way.

I'm proud to fight alongside you.

-David Turnbull Campaigns Director Oil Change International

PS - for more thoughts on the election, check out my recent blog post, and share it around if you agree!

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 7 years ago

Thanks DK.Giving up is not an option.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Another example of how defeating corp(se)oRAT candidates can make good things possible.

Using Eminent Domain to Rescue Main Street

[-] 3 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 7 years ago

Fantastic article. Bill Moyers has been the exception to the 'celebrity pig' rule for some time now.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Every episode that I have seen presented by his program has been very good food for thought and very share-worthy - this proper use of eminent domain to support the public being one I would hope to see shared out continuously.

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 7 years ago

Love it! Tyvm,DK.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Gives one some hope - Hey?

It ain't over till it's over.

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 7 years ago

Those are some fantastic people.And they are all over the place-ordinary Americans."Well,I'm beginning to see the Light..."-Lou Reed

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Giving up is not an option.

No - it is "NOT" an option. Whether you or I ( or anyone else ) are successful in "this" life is not important ( In My Belief ) - the trying for a better world for "ALL" is - In my opinion.

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

What would be the sensible thing to do? 96% of all politicians were re-elected.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

You already know my position on what would have been the sensible thing to do. But just in case you are serious with your question. I will restate my position here.

It would be (and would have been) a sensible/smart/wise thing for voters to remove from office all members of ALEC and to deny office to the same (members of ALEC).

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

But that would leave the majority of the Senate and the House totally empty, as there were no 3rd or 4th options on most ballots.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Not so. As except for like 10 DINOS that are members of ALEC - all of the other members are RINOS.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

Well I guess if being an "official member" is your benchmark, you are right.

Personally, Im looking at who is cashing whose checks, not what stupid clubs are they members of.

But hey, thats just me.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

I wish it "was" only just you. Then perhaps others would look at ALEC and what it does and who gets it done for them ( members ) and remove em from office or prevent em from taking office in the 1st place.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

The majority of the people have no clue what ALEC is, really dont know much of anything about our politics past what the msm tells them.

Of those who do know about ALEC, the vast majority of them don't know what corporations are the ones who make it up, much less who is taking the money from said corporations.

Realizing that lawyers are writing right wing legislation for corporations, and those corporations are then submitting the bills via Republicans while at the same time donating more money to Dems, is something that totally destroys the politically correct narrative of ALEC.

Its a group of corporations that buys off politicians and submits nicely written legalize.

If a criminal is hiring you to commit a crime for them, and I'm taking cash from them on the backend, are we both not tied at the hip to said criminal?

The only difference is you wear a nametag that says ALEC and I'm smart enough not to, right?

[-] 4 points by Crackpot (53) 7 years ago

The 2/3 of Democrats disagree with party leadership.

Immigration reform is wrong and unnecessary.Enforcing the current immigration law should have been enough.

The current economic policy didn't work. Trickle down economics didn't work. Bailing out the banks didn't fix the economy.

Is there any difference between the moderate Republican and Obama's brand of Democracy? FDR was a radical compared to the Democrats leading today.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Trickle Down - origination = Rep

Major illegal immigration deportation initiative = Rep

OH-Bummer and the two policies listed above = ?

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

DKAtoday @DKAtoday · 2m 2 minutes ago

R U ALL INSANE ???

Is It A Mass Hysteria Death Wish?

https://occupywallst.org/forum/republicans-insane-base-or-not-to-support-such-cra/

Be pissed at government.

But don't hand it over to your killers

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

Lol you act as if they weren't killers before the election.

[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 7 years ago

I can understand why the rich and people who don't care about the environment vote Republican. Everyone else who votes Republican is brainwashed.

Given the choice between bad and worse, I'll take bad any day.

That didn't happen. Now, the upcoming depression will arrive sooner and it will be more severe.

[-] 5 points by elf3 (4203) 7 years ago

Because democrats do the same thing!...everyone who thinks they don't live in lala land. Political seesaw taking turns being good cop bad cop keeps us distracted from the real conversation ...from the corruption and corporate takeover...the illusion that democrats give to the poor is crap...because first off subsidies inflate costs artificially as well as go back in the hands of our oppressors when it gets spent...so you have working class taxed to death carrying the poorer class...struggling not to become poor themselves and finally when we do they are going to cut us all off because we the workers won't be around to pay for it. It is a rigged system . All of it. The conversation needs to stay focused on the corruption killing upward mobility and democracy and sinking the worlds once largest middle class. Corporations aren't people and slave labor isn't free!!!

[-] 3 points by SerfingUSA (451) 7 years ago

No one kicks the 1%'s ass like elf. Let's turn that little elf loose on Wall st and DC.

elf3 for president 2016 and Turbo as VP.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

Lol easy, you're gonna get all the shit from my youth brought out to the public lol

[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 7 years ago

Yes, they do. However, I remained convinced that in general, Democrats do less harm than Republicans.

By the way, I also remain convinced that American consumers do more harm than either political party.

[-] 4 points by elf3 (4203) 7 years ago

Consumer choice has been limited by monopolies and inflated prices. If you need to run out for something ...what are the odds it will be made in US or that a small indie store will carry it? Certainly we must redefine necessities but it is sad we have to squash commerce to prevent putting our money into entities who seek to control the citizenry. Corporations are fundamentally shifting out traditions , our values and culture, and our democracy.

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[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

Theres plenty of reason for the rich to vote Dem as well, Dems love regulations and there is nothing that helps the rich more than increasing barriers to entry.

Reps get rid of the regulations that the corps dont like, Dems make new ones to limit competition. Its the perfect system to manipulate.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

The next couple of years should really suck as compared to the last six. How stupid can people really be?

[-] 2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 7 years ago

I hope Obama vetoes that Keystone crap and ANYTHING involving more tax breaks for the rich or their rat corporations. I give it two weeks max into the new term before he is faced with one of the above. Ordinary people are fucking morons if they think the Republicans are going to do a damn thing for them.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

OH-Bummer veto keystone? With his all of the above energy stance? Dream on.

Ordinary people are fucking morons if they think the Republicans are going to do a damn thing for them.

Worse than morons - as they can not look at the recent past and see how those Corp(se)oRAT fuckers have been shoving them into the wood chipper not just recently but for decades now.

[-] 2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 7 years ago

Well, he he and the Dems have delayed it for several years now. Which is fine by me. It's a bad idea all the way around. Not worth the handful of permanent jobs by any stretch of the imagination.

Are you referring to the Dems when you type Corp(se)oRAT? I'll agree that Dems are sold out also, more lately than ever, but more to the entertainment and banking industries, less to Wall Street in general. The Repubs seem sold out to almost all of Wall Street. and those damn lop-sided wealth concentrating tax breaks.

I'll tell you what is really frustrating. If you sit down and explain the basic economics of wealth concentration to anyone near the center or left of center, they get it and agree that the rich have become too rich (unless they are rich themselves) but for some god awful reason we can't reach enough of the voters to do what's in their own best interest.

The same goes for nearly all of the consumers.

They will see when the Greater Depression hits. There is NO WAY IN HOLY HELL that we will be able to avoid one or delay it significantly after another round of conservative policies. We are already at the tipping point regarding wealth concentration. If it weren't for stimulus and welfare, then we would have been deep within one already.

It will certainly come by 2019 or sooner unless Obama vetoes the shit out of all conservative economic policies from now until January of 2017. Otherwise, it will come by 2020 at the very latest.

Either way, the idiot masses will pay dearly for being so incredibly stupid both as consumers and voters. That's what really gets me. I'm frustrated beyond belief with the masses but I don't want them to suffer just for being easy prey and I sure as hell don't want to see the effects of a Greater Depression on our country. It will be very, VERY ugly.

We made a legitimate and TRUE recovery from the Great Depression by redistributing a significant portion of wealth but we only ended up with a half-ass corrupt illusion of a recovery under Obama, who seemed like our best shot for the lower majority just a few years ago.

There is NO ONE that I know of in politics, aside from a number of economists who have no chance to become President who would ever pull us through another Great Depression.

We better enjoy our last few years of treading water because that's it. Not one of us will live to see a recovery. It's only going to get worse. A LOT WORSE.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

Delaying the pipeline while opening up the entire fuckin Atlantic to oil.

And there is this too: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-08/keystone-be-darned-canada-finds-oil-route-around-obama.html

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Are you referring to the Dems when you type Corp(se)oRAT?

No n0 NO - currently the legitimate full time owner of the brand = corp(se)oRATist - would be Republican - - - - - - I KNOWWWWWW doesn't sound similar at all - easier to blame on democraps that way - it is - after all - what reps Do = blame the democraps.

but for some god awful reason we can't reach enough of the voters to do what's in their own best interest.

Toxic water from Fracking? or just normal mental degrading from heavy metal toxicity from coal fired power plants?

[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 7 years ago

I don't live within 20 miles of either. A few months ago after one of our exchanges, I posted an ad requesting permission to take my own water sample from the proximity of any fracking operation. Not one person answered.

I do know that coal fired plants screw up the air quality for miles around. I've experienced this myself driving through coal country. But the metal toxicity? Again, it's something that I would like to witness firsthand.

I'm aware of sloppy operations and I've seen some of the videos to prove it but I don't know how often they are sloppy. It seems to me that if all fossil fuel operations were sloppy, then the entire gulf coast would be unfishable. Rivers would still burn like they did just a few decades ago. Our own air quality would be more like that of China.

This issue isn't like the most important to me where you can easily process with basic math, or even a bag of marbles. It's one where you must take the words of others and compare them to what you personally witness.

There are fracking operations in my state. I've even driven by a few. One of my neighbors has an old natural gas well on his property. As far as I can tell, it hasn't effected mine at all. I have a small pond with plenty of healthy frogs and turtles. I've never even seen a deformed animal of any kind in my area.

But again, I don't live within 20 miles of a fracking operation or coal fired plant. I don't personally know anyone who does.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

1) always check your water at the tap ( I presume that you are on your own well water supply ) = light a match whenever you run a faucet ( if you are in fracking country - or if your aquifer shares area with fracking operations = this could mean an area of one or more states ).