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Forum Post: Red Light Cameras in the Ultimate Police State

Posted 6 months ago on Oct. 8, 2013, 10:23 p.m. EST by HCHC4 (-28)
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The madness continues. These intersections are ripping out over 500k a month in this economically depressed county. All to feed the pigs at the top of the chain.

http://www.wtsp.com/investigators/article/338322/34/County-uses-cams-to-triple-tickets

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[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20657) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

that is brilliant. Conservative scum are intent on pushing this nation over a fiscal cliff and your primary concern is . . . what? . . . speeding tickets?

wtf

[-] 1 points by Narley (-634) 6 months ago

You think red light cameras are bad. Just wait till drones are patrolling the freeways.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20657) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

the cameras are meaningless pieces of technology. It is us that bring meaning to that technology.

HC is only using them as a communication device.

[-] 1 points by HCHC4 (-28) 6 months ago

The money goes up, the shit goes down. All systematic of a population that is not functioning as a democracy.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20657) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

bullshit

you are a conservative shill and warning other conservative shills who might be inclined to engage in . . . methods of hands on persuasion . . . to be careful

Personally I don't see why - law enforcement can do little about stalkers - OTPOR techniques applied within those Congressional districts where there are over one thousand significant donors to conservative think or belief tanks could be highly effective at ending this bullshit - six months from now.

But of course that isn't your plan, is it. You are an anarchist alright, a right wing scum sucking fuk intent on ending FDR's New Deal once and for all.

mutherfukers

[-] 2 points by HCHC4 (-28) 6 months ago

" You are an anarchist alright, a right wing scum sucking fuk intent on ending FDR's New Deal once and for all."

I'm not. And for some reason you get to state this repeatedly, repeatedly taking nasty shots at people. And yet here you are.

2+ years of defending Obama like a messiah, and insulting/threatening/attacking anything you dont like.

And here you still are.

Whose the professional troll?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20657) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

fuk you - he bleeds red just like the rest of us, and I am confident has a good deal more integrity than you or most of his peers in DC.

I can remember back when you were on here denying global warming for crying out loud. An issue that may not be center stage on the OWS agenda, but it isn't far from it.

You support OWS like a wolf supports grazing sheep.

[-] 1 points by HCHC4 (-28) 6 months ago

I've never denied it nor endorsed it. I dont have the tools to to tell if the temperature of the global temperature has gone up a degree over the last 30 years, do you? Is it possible? Of course. Are any of the politicians willing to do anything about it and lose their power? Fuck no. So where does that leave you and me?

Regardless if the temperature is rising or falling, we should be striving for cleaner energy, and hence cleaner air and cleaner water. Only fools think coal and oil are great solutions to a deteriorating planet.

What gives you this confidence in the president? Isnt it amazing that someone can go from no family connections to being the president? I think thats a great story.

Too bad no one wants to tell it. With as thick as they lay on the propaganda here, one would think it would be everywhere.

You also think the bailouts were a good idea, and war with Syria and lord only knows who else is a grand idea as well. Pretty sure those two opinions are at direct odds with OWS.

But hey, no ones perfect.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20657) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

Are any of the politicians willing to do anything about it and lose their power?

fuk you

I live where people ski. Don't tell me politicians aren't willing to do anything. they are. The epa is an example of a President's willingness to do something within his admin, as is the hesitation to sign onto Keystone XL.

The President is willing to do things, politicians in Vermont and throughout the NE are willing to do things . . .

it just doesn't suit your current narrative to admit that. I don't have time for fools who cannot commerce with facts.

Go tell it to your conservative breathren. I don't have the patience.

[-] 1 points by HCHC4 (-28) 6 months ago

Hesitation. Would you like me to bombard you with links to opened government lands to drilling, water to drilling, fracking gov lands like a pin cushion...

Here, this one does a good job of summing it up, with direct quotes from him:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/us/politics/in-oklahoma-obama-declares-pipeline-support.html?_r=0

Willing to do things and taking the initiative are two totally different things. One is talk, the other is action. Let me know when a politician in VT puts an amendment on the ballot to put a solar unit on every house in the state- or geothermal heating, or SOMETHING. Perferably sooner than the usual 10 years out they always cop out with.

I bet you dont have the time to read that article I just gave you. It would be waaaaaaaay too real. But you should. Its time to wake up.

This little dream has got to come to an end.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20657) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

pfft

you do realize the people of OK WANT drilling and pipelines, right?

so what's he supposed to do? When a state expresses overwhelming support to exploit the resources within state boundaries? wtf?

you must really be dense.

I guess you may not have noticed the shit storm over ACA - o wait. Yes you have, you were cheering just the other day.

you really are a typical repelican. You want the state to put solar on every roof? And what shall they do with those folks who resent the intrusion I wonder?

*IE you don't really want them to put one on every roof, you just want the bar so high they cannot meet it, and any attempts to meet it can be laughed away as more government intrusion*

Honestly - I really don't like you. There is nothing we have to say to each other. pssst

[-] 2 points by HCHC4 (-28) 6 months ago

Your endless supply of excuses are soooooo typical ZD.

"Whats he suppose to do?"... Ummmm, maybe not LIE HIS ASS OFF.

Perhaps he can tell them WHAT THE PLAN IS!!! Not say one thing in OK, another in Cali, another in DC. Wtf?

My god man, do you live the rest of your life in such a pathetic level of acceptance? Im going to guess no. Well, then WAKE UP.

No one said FORCE the units onto the roofs. I said at least get a fuckin amendment on an election. They wont. They like their jobs more than they like helping you.

How many more excuses are you going to make for these people?

If you were in there, is this how YOU would behave?

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20657) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

Why don't you use your head for something a little larger than a mere hat rack

States Rights - have you never heard of that issue? When the people and their state government both agree they want a specific kind of industry to operate within their state the federal government must find itself very limited in terms of how it can respond.

Obviously that is too complicated for you to wrap your mind around - I'm sure you will be much more comfortable over at the Michelle Bachman Tea Party.

But, before you go - you said:

  • No one said FORCE the units onto the roofs. I said at least get a fuckin amendment on an election. They wont. They like their jobs more than they like helping you.

you are, naturally, quite MISTAKEN.

[-] 2 points by HCHC4 (-28) 6 months ago

A) Thats not an amendment. Its tax incentives. They lead to no where, hence every state has them. Duh.

B) States Rights dont mean someone goes and lies their ass off. You think EVERYONE in OK wants that pipeline? You dont think OK is about 50/50 like EVERY other state?

Again, you are making more excuses, and completely missing the bottom line in all of this.

Keep making excuses for em. Its exactly what the establishment wants. Dont worry, the idiots on the right are doing the same thing.

Im sure if you get another 08 everything will magically turn around.

Duh.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20657) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

you and your repelican strategy of simply reasserting fallacious bullshit does not make it stink any the less.

Tax incentives certainly do work and when properly applied contain their own natural method of discontinuance - which is precisely what this kind of incentive appears to do - unlike those incentives GIVEN to the oil industry and to which they are now completely accustomed and will not relinquish.

YOu are the fool making excuses, Koch boy

[-] 2 points by HCHC4 (-28) 6 months ago

Put it on the ballot, would the people agree to cancel XX and X or say a sales tax increase of 2% to eliminate their electric bills, and get cleaner air and water.

Thats what real leadership and real democracy would look like.

This current system gives us nothing but shit to pick from.

[-] 2 points by HCHC4 (-28) 6 months ago

Its a cop out, a total "feel good" measure meant to not upset the oil man.

What percentage of homes in VT have solar since they instituted the amendments?

We dont need a study or data to know its a ridiculously low number.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20657) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

well that may be but I have not one, but TWO neighbors who benefited from the program.

And that is not the only initiative statewide. There are others. And in terms of offending the oil man - Vermont legislators have done just that.

I could recite names like Sanders or Welch and even demonstrate the response of the oil industry - but why bother. YOu are a waste of my time.

[-] 1 points by HCHC4 (-28) 6 months ago

Both your neighbors have solar? How much did it cost them?

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20657) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

about half the total bill