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Forum Post: Politifact listed their FALSE evaluation of BOTH debaters

Posted 8 years ago on Oct. 12, 2012, 7:55 a.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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Ryan: Obama promised unemployment would not exceed 8 percent
Mostly False

Ryan sought to brand President Barack Obama’s recession remedies as a failure and said the president had broken his promise to keep unemployment below 8 percent.

"They passed the stimulus. The idea that we could borrow $831 billion, spend it on all of these special interest groups, and that it would work out just fine, that unemployment would never get to 8 percent -- it went up above 8 percent for 43 months. They said that, right now, if we just passed this stimulus, the economy would grow at 4 percent. It's growing at 1.3.

The claim that Obama said unemployment would not exceed 8 percent is one we’ve heard before. A super PAC ad took it even further, saying Obama promised unemployment topping out at 5.6 percent.

But we've found these claims contain only a grain of truth.

In an exchange about the effectiveness of Obama's stimulus, Ryan asked Biden whether it was "a good idea to spend taxpayer dollars on electric cars in Finland, or on windmills in China?" An American car company, Fisker Automotive, got federal loan guarantees and later manufactured cars in Finland, but the federal support the company received wasn't funded by the stimulus. Meanwhile, the loans went toward engineering and design that happened in the United States. As for the windmills in China, it's true that a small number of windmills and components to build them came from China. But the statement greatly exaggerates China’s role in the overall use of stimulus money.
We rated Ryan's statement Mostly False.

Ryan said the Obama administration passed the stimulus with the idea that "unemployment would never get to 8 percent." Obama's Council of Economic Advisers created a chart predicting that the stimulus would keep the unemployment rate from going higher, but the accompanying report included heavy disclaimers that the projections had "significant margins of error" and a high degree of uncertainty due to a recession that is "unusual both in its fundamental causes and its severity."
We rated Ryan's statement Mostly False.

Ryan, in his closing statement, said Obama "made his choices," including "a government takeover of health care." The phrase is simply not true. "Government takeover" conjures a European approach where the government owns the hospitals and the doctors are public employees. But Obama's health care law relies largely on the free market.
We voted "a government takeover of health care" our Lie of the Year for 2010.

AND: NO there were NO Biden FALSE or MOSTLY FALSE



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[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

Interesting that although Joe disclosed a huge number of facts and numbers to back up his claims and lyan ryan did EVERYTHING he could to HIDE EVERYTHING he could,
the lyan ryan got every single politifact "FALSE"


[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

Biden brought it We expected Ryan, not Biden to bring a three-ring binder full of facts and figures to the debate. It's not that the data-driven Ryan didn't show up with an arm full of his statistics; it is just that Biden did so as well. And Biden's aggressive offense from the very beginning drowned out Ryan until about 45 minutes into the debate. Biden's 36 years in the Senate served him well Thursday night. Who says that delivering hundreds of floor speeches on Capitol Hill isn't useful? The vice president also proved wrong the critics, who predicted he was going to make a gaffe. He didn't.

In many ways, Biden stole a page from Mitt Romney's debate playbook: put your head down, charge forward and don't stop. Romney effectively employed this strategy last week and Barack Obama was never able to recover. While Ryan put up a fight last night, he, too, was unable to regain his footing.

An Obama-Biden campaign official said before the debate that the vice president's goal was to try and compare and contrast the two competing campaign's vision for the future. Whether you agree or disagree with the specifics of the Obama-Biden or Romney-Ryan plans, Biden did a better job of selling his last night.

It will be several days until we know if this debate has helped the Obama-Biden campaign stem the political bleeding. But Biden did what he needed to do.

If Biden was on a mission to bring the fight to Ryan, then it appeared to be mission accomplished for the vice president. Moments into the debate, Biden went on the attack. "On Iraq, the president said he would end the war. Gov. Romney said that was a tragic mistake," said Biden. Minutes later the vice president pushed back against criticism by the Wisconsin congressman, saying "not a single thing he said is accurate." And he called other accusations by Ryan "a bunch of stuff."

Biden went where President Barack Obama wouldn't last week in his debate with Romney, bringing up Romney's "47%" controversy as well as the Republican nominee's tax rate.

And later, when Ryan discussed President John F. Kennedy's tax policies, Biden fired back: "Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy?"

"The vice president came and showed fight. He showed his boss what it is to engage and engage and engage and attack and attack and attack," said CNN Chief National Correspondent John King.

"I think Joe Biden did do his boss a lot of help," agreed Senior CNN Political Analyst David Gergen, who's advised both Democratic and Republican presidents.

But was Biden too aggressive? "I think Joe Biden is an authentic person. He speaks his mind. People know him. They expect that," Obama senior adviser David Axelrod said. "I think that authenticity is something that people appreciate."

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

If Biden wasnt lying about what happened in Libya, then we have the worst intelligence agencies on the planet.

Anyone with a brain that watched this, judged this debate's ability to inspire Americans as MOSTLY FALSE.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Really? Nothing he said was bullshit?