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Forum Post: Ok, the Circus is Over. So What is the Plan by the People

Posted 6 years ago on Nov. 7, 2014, 7:39 p.m. EST by turbocharger (1756)
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Anyone have any plans to restart manufacturing over here? We dont need the ungodly profits that CEOs make, surely somewhere out there is some older equipment that can be used, start small.

Where's my hustlers at?



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[-] 7 points by elf3 (4203) 6 years ago

Seems ... the one thing that remains here is chemical production ( soon heading to Mexico?) A little teflon...a little pfc ...some pesticide - now those really are jobs I really don't want to do ...along with slaughtering animals I would rather die. Our corporate overlords really want to deregulate those industries so they can put as much of it in the environment and our bodies as they wish. One day we people will look back on photos and stories us like we were stupid or insane dressed in hazmat suits spraying down the food we um...eat as well as adding ammonia byproducts to our meat for filler and synthetic substances in our bread to fluff it up mmmm yoga mats. And hopefully at our farming practices like we look at medieval torture today...barbaric and inhumane. Chemicals will be banned. I hope I get to see it in my lifetime. http://www.ewg.org/cleaners/hallofshame/



Liquid teflon causes children to be born without arms and legs I remember a documentary about a teflon plant that was leaking pollution and the workers who for generations had children with massive birth defects...it is now in cleaners like mop and glo I looked down oneday at the label and my hand which was covered in the product and freaked out ...never imagining they would ever put such an ingredient in a household cleaner ...I have switched to vinegar for cleaning...I have fertility problems unable to conceive and can't help but wonder about cleaners I used in my early twenties. Once your eggs are damaged by such chemicals that is it...women are born with all the eggs they will ever get and thus damage is forever.


Date of article 2006...and still doesn't have to be phased out until 2015... tell your child born with half a face rich people didn't want to give up their profits...tough luck kid...your life isn't important to them. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/red-flag-over-teflon/

[-] 7 points by Renneye (3874) 6 years ago

Hey elf. The toxic brew in today's cleaning/hygiene products is under-reported to be sure and corporate laws loosening all the time as to labeling and allowable chemicals. So, thanks ever so much for the above info.

Not to mention the enslaved people who work making this stuff for pennies a day, having no clue of the precarious position their health is in. Or, knowing and having no choice but to work with these poisons.

So sorry to hear about the fertility situation. I had a fertility problem, too.

I worked in a machine/metal shop for years as a teenager and was exposed to industrial cleaners/solvents...and I remember having the same concerns when I found out I couldn't conceive.

Without knowing what your specific health issue is, and I certainly don't want to minimize the possibility of a more serious issue for you, I was going to do this in a PM, but, you know how it is...if it can perhaps help anyone else besides me and maybe/possibly/hopefully you, then it's well worth the squirminess some folks find in such topics.

So, here's the other half.

Sitting and waiting for my appointment at my OBGYN's office to find out why I couldn't conceive (no monthly cycles for several years), I picked up one of those family magazines and cracked it open to the health section. There, in a tiny paragraph, it said that a simple Zinc deficiency was responsible for a whopping 30% of fertility problems in women, and men too.

Imagine that. All these people on serious and expensive fertility drugs when almost a full third of them can be helped with a simple mineral supplement, after a simple test.

The doc said I should go on meds, of course. But, I made a bee-line to a respected Naturopath, first. He did a simple in office Zinc test (can even be done at home). Sure enough I had a severe Zinc deficiency. I was put on liquid zinc, (very good quality, $30/bottle). Lo and behold, I had 4 natural cycles for the first time in years, and became pregnant.

Pregnancy went well except for pre-eclampsia (dangerous!) due to serious magnesium deficiency. Took both zinc and calcium/magnesium before second pregnancy and no problems.

Zinc is very powerful. It's responsible for some 75 different functions in the body. But you have to be very careful. It can easily be overdone and cause problems. Best to see a good Naturopath, if you can.

Magnesium is responsible for 300 different enzymatic functions in the body and is the single most important thing your body needs, besides water. And 80% of the population is deficient without even knowing. Magnesium must be taken with the 'carrier' mineral 'calcium'.

You'll very unlikely get help with finding deficiencies through an allopathic doctor. An 'ND' (Naturopathic doctor) is the way to go as an integrative approach along with your traditional docs.

This gi-normous malabsorption problem that is so prominent in North America is mainly as a result of the very unhealthy "Wheat" diet. You might want to search "Dangerous Grains". It's an eye opener.

Toxic chemicals on our bodies, in our food, and in our homes is deadly corporate greed at work. The massive Wheat industry is corporate greed at work. Thank goodness that information is getting out. I can't wait till the saturation point, when enough people know and the corporations have no choice but to change because no-one will buy their crap any more, due to public awareness.

Best of luck, and be ever so well.

[-] 3 points by elf3 (4203) 6 years ago

Thanks for the info ...I agree - the film Food Matters also eye opening on how important vitamins are for health and how many problems can be cured. Whether it works for me remains to be seen . But I want all young women to be aware of what they could be exposing themselves to with these products. They should have that choice...it isn't just infertility potentially it is birth defects too. This should be a choice and people should know the risks. They print it on cigarette boxes...but if it was printed on your shampoo or cleaner...would you still use that product? A lot of people assume if it is on a shelf it means science/ government tested it and it is safe for use. That idea is changing...but too many really don't think about it. I made that mistake...the worst part is having no recourse. When there is so much pollution and the effects of it are slow over time ...there is no proof. Also when products and our environment are inundated...how do you prove the source? I believe that was Dupont's agenda when they knowingly spread this dangerous product as far and wide as possible. They were caught red handed harming people and the results were clear so the next thing they did was to spread the contaminate across the country to convolute the source and results of the information. It is so prevalent in all our households and bodies along with so many other chemicals...how can you prove which one did it? Unlike lung cancer as in big tobacco...fertility doesn't have clear cut correlation....because also as you demonstrated it can be many things. I know much of this pollution can affect hormone receptor sites and cell production in the body. This certainly could affect how well the body can turn vitamins into cells or to absorb and use those nutrients. Endocrine disrupting products should be labeled. Even vinegar may not be wholly safe since it is made with gmo corn. I would limit skin contact while cleaning with it. My problem with all of this is disclosure and choice. You should have a choice over exposing yourself to harmful chemicals and gmo altered foods and access to the effects ( for recourse as well as so government has info on outcomes of how that product might specifically be harming the citizenry). We have to be able to tie outcomes to usage. Cover up is unacceptable ...the FDA is enabling this. The FDA needs oversight, investigation, and a clean sweep of former CEOs and executives. It is an out and out corrupt bureau and we need to overhaul it.

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 6 years ago

Yes, indeed, minerals such as zinc, magnesium, etc. are very important. I may add that for those who forego red meats completely, beans can be helpful if taken with acidic food to provide iron. There are also cheap and nutritious foods such as sweet potatoes grown by females (or the costlier yams if grown by males - yep, sexism's stupidity exists here). Vitamin D enhances calcium absorption. Presence of calcium suppresses iron absorption so keeping them separate makes sense. Vitamin D and A are fat soluble so having fat around to extract them from food makes sense, too.

Eating close to the base of the biological food pyramid reduces the consumption of bioaccumulated toxic chemicals. Generally speaking, fruits and vegetables tend to have lower concentrations of accumulated chemical toxins than animals as food.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 6 years ago

Sorry to hear about all of that. The cleaners we use are certainly pretty toxic.

[-] 5 points by elf3 (4203) 6 years ago

Thanks - I suspect fertility is on the decline for many women...where is the church on this? Funny I hear crickets. They only care about our eggs when we want to decide what can happen to them. But corporations apparently can kill all the eggs they please without a peep from popes or holy men.

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 6 years ago

I use vinegar which is cheap and not that toxic. Hydrogen peroxide works too but more expensive than vinegar but it has no chlorine which is the bane for the environment. Diluted vinegar is great for getting bathroom chrome fixtures sparkling clean.

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 6 years ago

''Playing the Long Game'', by Gar Alperovitz :

prospice ...

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 6 years ago

Turbo,I am going to go to the Left Forum and try to get the Eggheads of the Left to consider a plan to train activists to start organizing the Grassroots in 5 upstate cities along with 1 or more of the Boroughs.We have all the resources we need.We need trained organizers and we have to train them this summer.I do not expect anyone there to listen to me or take me up on the resources I can contribute.But I am still going to try.I don't know any other way to find the people who have access to the college students,teachers,computer techs and other people needed for this simple plan.which is the same as the Mississippi Summer Project of 1964.I should have done this last summer,but I was sure someone would have started this already somewhere in the country.They haven't.Hope dies last-as they say in Gaza.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 6 years ago

Contact Gar Alperovitz to see if he would be interested in speaking there, he is great and part of the Green Shadow Cabinet.

Anything like this, facebook is your best friend. Its free, its reach is incredible, and you can leverage groups who like what you are doing to share it with all of their members.

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 6 years ago

No doubt Mr.Alperowitz will be there.Ialready have a plan what I'm going to do.If I see Gar Alperowitz,I will try to speak to him.I am going to try to speak to anyone who will listen.The situation is on the verge of critical.I can't travel around all over trying to get interviews with all various people who might help.I have no association with any group or organization to vouch for me.People who are buried alive in emails may not respond.A person standing in front of them has to be responded to one way or the other.So that's what I will do.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

All one can do is = TRY

One may be successful

But one will never be successful if they do not try