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Forum Post: Occupy's Legacy

Posted 8 years ago on April 15, 2013, 11:07 a.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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" Occupy's message about income inequality took hold because the media, for once, took a grassroots protest seriously By David Graeber"




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[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 8 years ago

The only plausible explanation for this kind of enthusiasm is that dissident Chinese intellectuals, like most people in the world, saw what happened in Zuccotti Park as part of a wave of resistance sweeping the planet.

And it was fun to throw all of that democracy right in the face of the US.


[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 8 years ago

I'm not questioning the solidarity, Zen. Social media was the key here.


[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 8 years ago

I don't believe they were merely actors. I believe that they represented exactly whom they were. I have been given no reason to believe otherwise.

It is very difficult. A cop can arrest you on the street and off you go and they have about 6,000 years of laws as back up. I had mentioned on here before that a few years ago I was posting on the English version of a Chinese newspaper forum and it was heavily moderated. A great deal of animosity was present towards the Americans and others that lived in China, especially with the schools and admission. Deserved.

We don't have much access to........how the web or any media is presented in many countries. They see how we are sold. We see how they are sold. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Nancy_Snow/Propaganda_Inc.html


What is the US doing when it enters other countries? Spreading democracy. Exploitation.

Like I said, I am not questioning the solidarity. I am acknowledging the history as well as the general attitude. Frankly, it is deserved.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

Yet the Chinese government fears it too.

"On the very same day as the blockade of the Brooklyn Bridge on October 2, OWS received a message signed by fifty Chinese intellectuals and activists:

The eruption of the “Wall Street Revolution” in the heart of the world’s financial empire shows that 99% of the world’s people remain exploited and oppressed 

— regardless of whether they are from developed or developing countries. People throughout the world see their wealth being plundered, and their rights being taken away.

Economic polarization is now a common threat to all of us. The conflict between popular and elite rule is also found in all countries. Now, however, the popular democratic revolution meets repression not just from its own ruling class, but also from the world elite that has formed through globalization. The “Wall Street Revolution” has met with repression from U.S. police, but also suffers from a media blackout organized by the Chinese elite."

I didn't catch when the book will out, but I think I will have to read it......:)

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 8 years ago

I like what I have read from Graeber.

All governments fear it. The media protects it's own interest. The root of the problem in London (2011) was attacked by BBC or ridiculed to be more precise. I don't read/write/speak any dialect of Chinese which makes it particularly difficult to read the newspapers. What I have been able to gather is that the US is consistently in a media blackout.

It has been my experience through my interactions with other people that the attitude has been............what took you so damn long? I don't mean that in an OWS light either. I mean that in the attitude towards Americans.

This is from 2008. That does not do justice to the whole of it.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

I will hopefully learn more about the Chinese, when my daughter returns in July.

Communication is monitored and censored.

I am careful what I talk to her about.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 8 years ago

I vaguely remember you mentioning that your daughter was there.

I might, out of the blue, ask you a question-if it's ok.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

You may, and I will answer as well as I can.