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❤ Karma Is Restored, Order Is Restored

Posted 6 months ago on Sept. 20, 2013, 11:47 p.m. EST by jart (1262) from New York, NY

I don't want any more nonsense on this forum. It stops today.

I've been putting additional security measures in place and over the coming days I'll be keeping a close eye on things to keep the script kiddies away.

All of you who've had your karma affected by downvote bots, it should now be largely restored to the score you deserve since I've written a script to recalculate it.

Over the next few days: I don't want to see any impassioned meta discussion about moderation, conspiracy theories, FUD, or concern trolling. If you have a problem, speak to me directly and I'll respond within 48 hours. You can private message me or email abuse@occupywallst.org.

Let's get back on track as a mature political discussion board.

I'll also be implementing in the near future a more transparent and accountable warning/banning system. I make no promises on an ETA at this time.

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[-] 2 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 6 months ago

Jart, thanks for your time, it's a shame such things are needed. This forum could become a think tank of the people more powerful than any other media group, but like all things the time must come and work must be done.

[-] 2 points by LeoYo (4794) 6 months ago

Why not simply get rid of the stinkle? That way only positive support can be expressed and any negative or benign comments will just remain as single points.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21771) 6 months ago

Thanks, Jart.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

Hear, hear. It's very off-putting.

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[-] -1 points by ZenDog (20562) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

Over the next few days: I don't want to see any impassioned meta discussion about . . . conspiracy theories,

. . . conspiracy theories . . .

. . . . Theories of conspiracy . . .

That's one of trashy's pet peeves, isn't it?

And opening a post with one of those little characters - do you suppose trashy was imitating you? or You him? Her?

Or are you two in fact one? If you are, then perhaps you want us to know, that perhaps whatever deference we might be inclined to shed your way might translate to him? . . . her . . .

.

But if that were true, and I am not saying it is with any degree of . . . of . . . absolutism . . . but if it were . . . then it does beg a certain question . . .

.

  • if he is she and they are thee

  • then why choose shooz and dk

  • to implement mod policy?

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Such a choice must have a purpose, it must serve a function, but what? What does it do?

Just like the chosen method of handling posts promoting Paulite Libertarian Bushitism must serve a purpose, serve a function . . . but what - what does it do?

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Perhaps blatant mockery of Paulite Libertarian Bushitism helps to reassure those who have heard these fools proclaim their racist reactionary dogma and will reject it out of hand. Yet there is no shortage of those fringe dwelling fools who promote such men as heroes of the cause among the barricades . . .

Here we are promoting - and therefore must keep the fringe dwellers in the closet.

But what are we promoting?

With shooz and DK as the hammer perhaps we are promoting an anti.establishmentarian agenda on the face, while beneath the surface we promote Libertarian Bushitism with the intent of undermining what little defense against corporate enslavement that remains.

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just perhaps

Things are not at all as they appear . . .

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[-] 2 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 6 months ago

oh I think things are exactly as they appear, it's just most people don't bother to look, of course then again "All the world's a stage..."

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20562) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

do any of us take the time to review every post? every comment? And if not, then how is anyone going to estimate the impact of the whole, especially given that it changes over time . . .

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 6 months ago

I wasn't really talking about the forum exactly just a more general thought, I see the forum as a collage a representation of the moment, it could always become much more, like a computer attached to a 3d printer, thought can become real, but the connection must be made, the cable ran, this could become a tool that money cannot control as the cost is low, however money can interfere and so it does...

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20562) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

that interference can be limited with greater transparency

and we can use transparency to forecast what we will do, how we will do it, that once it is done those in power may marvel at the sheer audacity and utter simplicity of our methods.

It is true . . . the truth will set us free . . .

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 6 months ago

oh yes all is not lost by any means, has "Jart" not done an awesome thing already? by just creating the forum. oh money will do it's petty attempts but compared to the power of actual truth, well money ain't shit.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20562) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

How far is Tuscon from Phoenix anywayz . . .

never mind. Just thinking out loud.

haven't seen you around much lately - quietly lurking I suppose. Your insight has been missed on any number of subjects . . .

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 6 months ago

Busy with another project, still up at the computer but doing other work, Tuscon is about 125 miles, hour and a half or so on a good day.

[+] -4 points by AlaskanHusky (-6) 6 months ago

curious, when did you realize jart was/is thrasy?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20562) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

John, John . . .

when they come to ask you

how I have done what I have done

tell them "that surely that one is insane"

and when they claim that that is quite obvious

and completely insufficient

then tell them it was ED

for surely he did put me up to it

and if that will not suffice

tell them that what I have done is nothing

tell them more will come

tell them they walk among us even now

and tell them

  • they are watching

.

haaaa hhahnahahaaa

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[+] -6 points by AlaskanHusky (-6) 6 months ago

jart likes money more than anarchy. she chose google over anarchy. real anarchists don't work for companies that do NSA and stuff like that. perhaps she was a mole from the start. if not, it's clear money can buy her.

she was bought, then took control of the site by blocking out the NYCGA, then appointed bad moderators on purpose. we don't see her around much because she's trashy. she makes Occupy look bad by attacking the bad moderators who fight back. this creates an infinite loop of insults.

both are programmers. it explains the bad moderators. it explains why jart doesn't care about Occupy or the site. it explains why thrasy is always here (he's a paid mole jart/thrasy). it explains why he was never stopped. it explains why the NYCGA detached itself from this site, just like many other groups. it explains why this site never followed Occupy principles like trying to work together instead of having jart as the director in charge.

you might be right. your theory makes a lot of sense.

maybe trashy is jart's male personality? justin/justine?

it does seem strange that she's addressing a non-issue here and pretending it will somehow make the forum better. i don't even think there are bots. very strange. meanwhile, gnomunny and our other friends remain banned.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20562) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

so whom are you supposed to be, and why were you previously banned . . .

perhaps you are the one we once knew as Odin . . .

Were you aware that only a year ago I buried two dogs, one of them what had appeared to be a perfectly healthy animal not a week before he expired? And if I told you he was a husky . . .

Perhaps that would not convey in the least bit that tremendous temptation to hostility and to rage that surges even now . . .

pffft

so much for bullshit

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

perhaps you are the one we once knew as Odin . . .

Nah Odin is Catelonia at the moment.

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[+] -4 points by AlaskanHusky (-6) 6 months ago

i like Alaska. i like huskies. sorry you lost one. you don't need to know who i am/was.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20562) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

It is rather odd . . . Sarabou Palin likes Alaska too . . . the one state in the nation where they actually do practice a form of socialism, but I think I've heard that the oil industry has been cutting back on their payments so I don't suppose that will last much longer.

What is odd is that Alaska becomes at once an argument both for and against socialism instituted by the capitalist elite, and all on the basis of corruption . . .

But never mind all of that ... . .

there is no need to be ashamed. One can restore some small measure of self esteem simply by doing esteemable things. True there are those rare cases where redemption simply is not possible no matter how long or hard one serves the greater good in an effort to fade that stain of repelican intransigence and corporate corruption - but even in such pathetic cases as this who can say the effort is utterly without merit.

Simply learning to be honest has merit in and of itself . . . even if all that remains is Seppuku . . .

[-] -2 points by AlaskanHusky (-6) 6 months ago

sokushinbutsu is more interesting than seppuku...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokushinbutsu

[-] -3 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 6 months ago

Thanks!

[-] 6 points by jart (1262) from New York, NY 6 months ago

No problem :)

[-] -2 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

Hey, it cost me five hundred points to say that? LOL.

No biggie. Good one Jart.

[-] 6 points by jart (1262) from New York, NY 6 months ago

Karma should stabilize pretty soon. Things just might be a little erratic with all the housecleaning that's been happening. But hey, you've got the #2 comment of the day.

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

LOL. I've said several times before that the whole points thing has led to some rather crossed wires on this board. I'd be comfortable with no points, but that's just me.

Do what you have to do to get this place back on track, Jart.

I come here to get information, and to share what I've found. It's what the place is all about, IMHO.

[-] 7 points by jart (1262) from New York, NY 6 months ago

Well, now that the point system will start working again, you might warm up to it. At least I'm crossing my fingers...

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

Aaah yeah, it's working. LOL.

Every one of my posts on this thread is now in the negative. Meaning seven or eight down-votes per post on some of them. This place is a zoo. Chuckles.

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[-] -3 points by geovind (-56) 6 months ago

Now if you could do something about the madd ban hammer. You fixed the post-a-point and it would seem I've been banned again, sort of. Posted on the Goldman Sachs thread, can see the comment but it didn't move the thread counter or pop it back to the top???? In fact, the comment disappeared at save, but then reappeared at refresh?

edit: this post posted ok???

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

It's visible to me.

[-] -2 points by geovind (-56) 6 months ago

btw, thanks for letting me know about this post!

[-] -3 points by geovind (-56) 6 months ago

Yes, this one worked, but right before I posted here, I posted a comment to this thread http://occupywallst.org/forum/goldman-sachs-states-bailouts-to-continue-to-atlea/ and it didn't take. Pretty innocuous observation that the Fed is shooting for 6.5% unemployment and my thoughts are that perhaps we should be looking at the labor force participation rate since there are so many permanent unemployed (these people drop out of the unemployment numbers once their unemployment insurance runs out) and too many underemployed.

Anyway, I guess I'm not banned, it's just now and then comments get dropped or something. I take it that's not happened to you?

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

No. Unless it's been overlooked.

I've heard that shadow bans can be seen by the poster but nobody else.

It's none of my business what other people think of me.

As I've mentioned to other regulars here, forums often get to the stage where the regulars start openly attacking eachother. Familiarity breeds contempt.

I tend to not go there, although there are times when I have, and no doubt I will again.

Suffice to say, I'm not that interested in debating personalities these days. I'd rather share facts, and learn from others.

Half a century on earth tends to mellow some of us.

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[+] -4 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 6 months ago

if there was just a way for users to bust people, perhaps by exposing everyone's point-giving activity to date with a summary of +/- beside their points total. It sounds like a self-moderating system that would deter people from abusing it.

Now imagine if the + and - numbers were links to a search result of that person's twink/stinkles... intrusive but effective. just a thought.

[-] -1 points by geovind (-56) 6 months ago

Would be nice if we got a point for our posts instead of starting at zero. Kinda hard to build any karma unless you have whatever score it takes to twinkle/stinkle and thereby get a point when you post. That little glitch was part of the fall out when you made the change about who can vote.

[-] 6 points by jart (1262) from New York, NY 6 months ago

Should be fixed.

[-] -2 points by geovind (-56) 6 months ago

Cool! Thanks

[-] -3 points by HalfManHalfDog (-9) from Cleveland, OH 6 months ago

It wont until the person with the ability to moderate is addressed, and its three favorite people get a does of justice and kicked off for the constant harassing and lies they perpetuate.

This is blatantly obvious to anyone who visits for even the shortest time.

GirlFriday has the trashiest mouth of all time, Zendog threatens violence to anyone it feels like, and Shooz goes around claiming anyone who has a brain is a libertarians tea partier.

The moderator is picking winners and losers, and the three people who get a pass on anything they say have never occupied a piece of pavement or grass, yet speak as if its their way or the highway.

Until that is addressed, expect more chaos.

This is a horrific representation of occupy. And until the power center is adjusted and justice is restored, more of the same will happen. Just as it does where any level of oppression occurs.

Doesnt matter if its a website or an entire country. When power corrupts, and it always does -hence horizontal occupy- expect the rising ups to always be more than the power can handle.

The more is rises up, the more they squeeze. The more they squeeze, the more rise up.

The revolutionist mindset.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20562) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

your name is itself a mockery

and I have been engaged in an occupation of the truth for 16 years

you do know what the first rule of fight club is, right? We've been over that, haven't we. I'm sure we have. We won't go over it again.

  • kiss my ass.

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[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

Well, it takes a reactionary mindset....to react.

I choose to not react.

To not be drawn into the circular issues.

It's been two years now.

Easy enough to recognise the humps and hollows.

[-] -1 points by HalfManHalfDog (-9) from Cleveland, OH 6 months ago

Abraham Lincoln: “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.”

I'm looking at 50 signs in my living room ready for March on Monsanto. I'll be stopping by the peace protest on Gandy this afternoon to go discuss some other things. Our sustainable energy conference for October 14th is going very well.

I do my part, and these nuts here can kiss my ass.

[+] -4 points by HalfManHalfDog (-9) from Cleveland, OH 6 months ago

It is, its just discouraging to see this place- one of the central places for occupy in the country via online- turned into a pro Democrat landmark when in reality its so much more than that.

People are sick of the D vs R nonsense. And thats all you get on here, is Vs R nonsense.

I do more organizing than the four with all the points ever thought about doing, and yet Im the right winger. That lie and attack has been going on for as long as the site.

Toss in their obsession with Libertarians- this is the only place you see it- and its obviously a skewed representation.

Personally, I'm not going to let them destroy something I'm actually part of. They can kiss my ass. When they want to start reflecting what this thing is about, and stop unilaterally deciding whats good vs bad, the place will go back to a point of discussion.

In the meantime, they have pissed off so many people there is no way to stop the uprising.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

Well, I'm not reacting.

I'll continue to contribute, when I have news to share.

Just be aware that by flaming those you disagree with, you are feeding their fire. Playing into their game. Extinguishing your own fire, to add fuel to theirs.