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Forum Post: Is this Research? Or is it Desecration?

Posted 12 months ago on April 24, 2013, 11:53 p.m. EST by ZenDog (20567) from South Burlington, VT
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Researchers want to examine the brain of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of two men who were wanted in the bombing in Boston on April 15. He is now deceased. According to ThinkProgress Drs. Robert Cantu and Robert Stern have asked medical examiners to look for and document any signs of CTE, chronic traumatic encephalopathy. CTE results from head injury, it is chronic, degenerative, and can only be diagnosed post mortem.

Not only was this young man a boxer, and a terrorist, he was also a son, and a Muslim. He is deceased now, and can do us no more harm.

It is forbidden in the Muslim faith, to desecrate the corpse of the deceased. And so we ask, is there any compelling legal imperative, in the examination of his brain as these researchers demand.

To you or I it may seem a thing of no importance.

But what of the family? The parents whose overwhelming grief comes tinged with shame? What does our behavior and treatment of this corpse say about us?

IF it is our intent to mock their misery and scorn their suffering, then let us not paper it over with a veneer of scientific imperative. Let us simply burn the Koran in our city streets and rejoice, and fill out job applications at the nearest munitions factory.

IF that is not our intent, then let us have pity on this mother, who still grieves for a son she once knew and loved, and let us remember and take comfort: that son is not the man we came to know - it is another side of that same man, the side she never saw.

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Of course, this post comes much too late to be of any practical use, the Boston Globe originally reported this story on the 20th, and it is now the 25th. What has been proposed has either been done, or not, and cannot now be undone.

I marvel at the arrogance and the indifference of modern science today. They are a stampede of fools creating memories that will last a lifetime.

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[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 12 months ago

The second choice.

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[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 12 months ago

Is there any response from his family regarding this? This is what I found from the Muslim community.

Notice Bostonians first, right?

Fear of retaliation? Almost a conditioned response.

I came across an opinion piece and it may have been on this site or surfing. The author said something to the effect of.......don't let it be a Muslim, don't let it be a Muslim, don't let it be a Muslim and even before any information was kicked out someone from the Muslim community was already condemning the action.

Do the parents object? If they did not, would it be a fear of retaliation? Would there be some part of them that was desperate for an explanation?

A conditioned response?

I won't lie. There is a part of me that says, Hey -Tamerlan Tsarnaev made sure that many people don't have the option of living-let alone dying- with all of their body parts intact.

But, that is too easy, isn't it? One could say it's almost a conditioned response. One could say that some people might just bank on it.

The guys got bullet holes all over him and, yet, there was (five days ago) a question of the cause of death?

And even if evidence of CTE were discovered in Tsarnaev’s brain, it would not prove a link between the disease and his recent actions, the researchers said

Well, would it bolster the case against the NFL? I mean because the only group of people that have a problem understanding concept of repeated concussions and sub-concussions have adverse effects would be that group. The ones that profit off the shit. Everybody else pretty much understands that there could be some brain damage and they don't need to be researchers for that.

Burn the Koran in the streets? That is so last year. You have an entire group of people who fall for that shit and several others that maintain that fear for profit. So, will there be a group of people that think they are burning the Koran in the street without having to do so? Sure. Same group of people that jump whenever Beck tells them to.

A veneer of scientific imperative? Ya, but not to give the bird to the Koran. Someone else can coordinate that shit. That would indicate they gave a fuck. For all of the quasi justifications that I encounter through reading, I am most impressed by the lack of fuck that fuckers generally have towards anything or anyone.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20567) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

The parents don't live in Boston. Regardless of what we think we are doing, we are, with our behavior, communicating something, and in this instance that something will percolate throughout the international muslim community on some level, a community that on the whole may have very different views and attitudes than that here in the U.S.

If it is our intent to communicate, to agitate, then I say let us be honest. And if not, then let us have the courage to be compassionate.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

I know his parents don't live in Boston. That is why I asked if you had seen anything. I understand that the views overseas might not be the same as the US. What happens to the body is a decision that is to be made by his wife or parents.

The link that you provided in the OP stated that in such a situation that it might be necessary to contact the local imam or Muslim community. The link that I provided had a response from the local Muslim community. Imam Talal Eid said that he would not hold funeral services because he does accept Tamerlan Tsarnaev as a Muslim. In fact, no one wanted to do last rights. Note that there is no mention that the family has even asked.

But, it was the language that I thought was insightful. It indicates that they are part of a larger community Bostonians first.

Why did the Jewish people not immediately leave Germany and some 400,000 flee and then return? It was inconceivable. They were Germans first.

Reynolds v the US=No, your religion and your God is not the highest law in this land but thanks for playing.

It's the carefully selected wording that indicates that there might not be an objection from the local Muslim community and the family might not come forward due to shame. I gave the reasons that they might even allow it.

My point was, well, frankly, what is this we stuff? The cause of death was the bullets holes. So, it isn't the fact that it wouldn't be useful or won't be used by some groups. I simply mean that in this particular instance and the request that was made--I don't think they give a shit. At all.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20567) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

I wasn't aware it was the tradition to conduct burial immediately. It doesn't sound likely the body will be returned to his parents because of that tradition, they may well have the expectation it will be interred here.

That tends to eliminate the possibility that the mother will witness first hand anything that would be perceived as desecration.

So never mind.

I just don't like researchers whose self obsession takes precedent over every other consideration and as such stands as a mockery of basic human decency.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

I spent so much time leaving and coming back to the computer that I didn't realize that you kicked out another post. Ya, I'm not happy with the request either.

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