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Forum Post: human societies should structure their behavior around the demands of the marketplace?

Posted 9 years ago on May 20, 2013, 9:28 a.m. EST by jph (2652)
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"There is nothing in 5,000 years of economic history to justify the belief that human societies should structure their behavior around the demands of the marketplace. This is an absurd, utopian (dystopian?) ideology. The airy promises of the market economy have, by now, all been exposed as lies."

"More than 100 million Americans—one-third of the population—live in poverty or a category called “near poverty.” Yet the stories of the poor and the near poor, the hardships they endure, are rarely told by a media that is owned by a handful of corporations—Viacom, General Electric, Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp., Clear Channel and Disney. The suffering of the underclass, like the crimes of the power elite, has been rendered invisible."

from; http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/rise_up_or_die_20130519/

Hedges nails it once again,. the corporate/military system is fast becoming total/complete,. fascism (corporatism enforced by the state) has now been realized on a world wide scale.

What are we going to do about it?

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[-] 4 points by jph (2652) 9 years ago

My suggestion is to disengage from all corporate nastiness, and to actively ridicule and denounce this system at every opportunity, point out the inequity and systematic corruption to everyone who will perhaps listen.

Positive change will come from embracing Degrowth, Permaculture, Slow Money, and Re-localization. Focus on the stuff you need to live a happy life, not the pointless corporate plastic noise and distractions.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Excellent post.

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

Are you aware your use of the word "system" is a generalization and label?

Such cognitive distortion makes understanding difficult or even impossible.

Can you break down "system" into specific components?

BTW, I think I agree with you, but need to know I'm recognizing useful, relative information.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 9 years ago

"the corporate/military system" ? The system whereby the state(s) enforces the power of the corporate "owners" of the world. i.e. fascism. The system of 1% rule/power. The monetary system; the rigged pyramid scam that this is. These "systems" that take the collective wealth from the many, and give it to the few creating power. These are the systems of injustice we are talking about.

BTW- all language is labels, generalizations and abstractions, the point is not the language, but the meaning that it conveys.

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

Correct, language naturally carries distortions. It is all about the intent of the distortion. Distortion to deceive or mislead, confuse etc. should not be tolerated. Distortion used to increase understanding is in the spirit of the nature of language.

The most powerful tool against the "system" you describe is the constitution.

All elements you describe as part of the system are supposed, by law, obey the constitution. Only a small part of our gov is constitutional at this point.

The system is fraudulently conducting their activities.

The only reason they can get away with it is because Americans do not understand their constitution. If they did, they would unify, meaning the real Americans of the military, and there are many, as well as citizens, would align/unify and restore constitutional government.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23590) 9 years ago

We need to demand a humane economy that puts people before profit, an economy where sharing is the norm, not greed that hoards profits at the top.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 9 years ago

Better than demanding, is building. We do not need to ask we need to DO! Degrowth, Permaculture, Slow Money, and Re-localization. These things are happening now, not in the future,. make the change.!

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23590) 9 years ago

You are absolutely right. Shun the way TPTB wants things done and do things the way we want things done. That is one way to make the change.

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

Without knowing it, you've described a group of people that understand that they are unconsciously controlled by their instincts, and have crated a society that respects and uses the very best of that to survive and evolve.

[-] 0 points by highlander21 (-46) 9 years ago

What will be the basis of trade? Heart-felt thanks? A chicken? What would be an objective rate of exchange? What you suggest sounds like an endless funnel of goods and services going down the gullet of people without any means of paying for them; sucking the life out of the producers to go to the parasites?

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23590) 9 years ago

Jph said it nicely, "Positive change will come from embracing Degrowth, Permaculture, Slow Money, and Re-localization. Focus on the stuff you need to live a happy life, not the pointless corporate plastic noise and distractions."

It would be an economic system that is not based on the accumulation of money and material goods, it would be based on what everyone needs, everyone being the important word.

I recommend this video, "Sacred Economics":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEZkQv25uEs

[-] 1 points by highlander21 (-46) 9 years ago

I wish you luck with that.

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[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

Do you realize you are defining unconsciously driven behaviors pivoting on fears?

If so, the logic that we must see that a robust understanding of the unconscious mind is developed.

There are eternal benefits to this for all humanity also.

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[-] 0 points by FlaviaA (-4) 9 years ago

The fact that less people are dying of hunger than anytime in human history probably tells you that the system is improving people's lives. You might want to hate ADM but they produce food for people when your systems don't.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 9 years ago

who's systems now? where do you get your stat??