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Forum Post: Have you seen the film 'INSIDE JOB'? If not, why not? If you saw it already, how much do you recall?

Posted 9 years ago on Oct. 5, 2012, 12:19 p.m. EST by Ache4Change (3340)
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I have seen the film 'INSIDE JOB' more than once before. (See http://vimeo.com/20853241 )

I found a link - http://vimeo.com/33870165 (new link added on Jan.7th, 2014), on another thread here and having some rare time to myself, I watched it again. Also you can use Builder's link here - http://occupywallst.org/forum/have-you-seen-the-film-inside-job-if-not-why-not-i/#comment-1017358 .

I thought that I knew about this film. I thought that I remembered what was in it and why it made me so angry before.

I was wrong and very shocked at just how much I had forgotten.

It needs to be watched or re-watched to really take it all in. I think that what Occupy Wall Street is all about is right in that film.

It was made in 2010 but nothing has changed. Things are actually worse. We should not forget how and why we are all in the sh*t we are in.

If you have not seen this film, you need to.

If you have seen this film - you need to again. It is 1:48:39 long and one of the best uses of nearly 2 hours that I can think of (unless the mr or mrs. is up for some 'happy time').

I think that there is a lot of good stuff on this forum but sometimes perhaps we have to get back to basics and take a look again and remind ourselves what it is all about.

I just did and will be looking to buy a truck full of pitchforks to hand out next spring after the hard winter to come.

If you don't feel anything after watching it again, then you're either dead or a banker or an economist. This film gets better as it goes along and it starts pretty well anyway and by the end I felt angry but less in the dark. The final section is ... well you'll see.

I shall be e-mailing the link to everyone I know. No one can watch this and be confused about where the blame lies and what needs to be done and why Occupy Wall Street is so important.

Isn't that why we are all here?

[10/31/12 edit: 'Inside Job, Behind The Heist': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A - Excellent background and follow up documentary. Highly recommended!]



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[-] 10 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 9 years ago

Yeah, that doc can never get too much exposure. I've seen it at least 2 or 3 times. The first time I saw it I was completely blown away by the depth of Wall Street corruption. It is FAR more powerful than any post or comment that could be made on this forum.

While you're at it, try to get more of these people you're going to feed to spend some time on this forum (if they can...know they might not have access to computer and Internet). The great thing about social networking and awareness building is that if one person finds out about something important, and tells two people, and those people tell two people, and those people tell two people, and so on and on, eventually you reach through the power of exponents millions of people. And that is what needs to happen in the world today.

I want "Inside Job" to reach millions of Americans, and I want this OWS forum to do likewise. The biggest obstacle today to having We The People back in control is a lack of knowledge on the part of the general population. If we could achieve that, we would be a much more powerful force for positive change in this country.

[-] 8 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'Inside Job' really needs to be watched by everyone who gives a sh*t about the country and also by those who don't! It changed my whole outlook to things when I first saw it as I could not ignore Wall St. any more. Thanks for your comment & perhaps there should be a link to 'Inside Job' permanently on this website. Never Give Up Occupying! Solidarity.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Excellent follow up documentary - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A .

[-] 4 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 9 years ago

Just watched it. An excellent addendum to "Inside Job". Good interviews, but I especially liked the texted advise at the end of it on what we all can do to help turn things around. Thanks for providing it.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

An excellent addendum to "Inside Job" - absolutely true! Mitt Romney is multi-millionaire representative of the perps of the 'Inside Job' and I can't believe that this man is so near to becoming president! Obama maybe owned by the 1% but Romney IS the 1%! Something is very, very wrong here!

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Truly sad to see mittens still in the race - he should have been kicked to the curb long ago just for his outrageous lies and lies about his lies.

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Romney is one of the 1% like no previous presidential candidate that I can think of. The Republican party has been totally taken over by the ruling class and working people are lied to and manipulated to vote against our own interests by the corporate media. It's beyond sad and deep into scary!

[+] -4 points by aville (-678) 9 years ago

you mean like al gore ( sold his t.v. station to al gazeera which is wholly owned by oil rich qatar.) made over 100 mil from the sale. and that added to his green energy scam money , now has more $ than romney.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

What has that to do with this - http://www.nationofchange.org/behind-nra-s-money-gun-lobby-deepens-financial-ties-12-billion-firearms-industry-1358354431 ? Watch the shorter video on this link OR the longer 'Inside Job' link from my post but please ... Occupy The Issues!

[+] -5 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 9 years ago

Obama is one of the 1% like no previous presidential candidate that I can think of

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

First president you've ever noticed, eh?

You should comment on the 1% Governor of your fine state, and his bastardization of the States and the nations constitutions.

[+] -6 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 9 years ago

I wish Gov Walker would have run for Pres

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

Wrong State.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

So you are clearly an idiot! Never send Private Messages to me again -

Nowsmichigan said 1 day ago at Nov. 7, 2012, 9:14 a.m. EST (delete) four more years of the dumb knee grow, yippee


[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

That is why it is so insane that the general public seems either to be not aware of mittens BS and corpoRATism or like they are in support of continuing what has crashed the economy - or Worse - that they do not seem to care.

So much work to be done - getting people educated - aware - and involved.

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

This shit we are in took 40 years or more to cook up and my kids won't have the chances I had. The corporate media is a massive part of this problem and the young people in this country are maybe our last hope but they need to get educated by first switching off the television and then talking about what they want and need. We should all start talking to the kids and young folk about issues like healthcare, education, our military machine and an economy that works for us all.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Proper good use for the internet and signing /logging on - education outreach - real news shared by the people that is not being delivered by the corpoRAT monsters that are killing us all.

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

All that is good but really and honestly - we have GOT to talk face to face with our young people. We can't expect them to know what they need to know! There is no need for them to repeat our mistakes!

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Absolutely - this is one more reason for the breakdown of family/community/society - those who "are still" working to a large extent are working as many hours as they can at all hours of the day and night 7 days a week - to make ends meet. Not real good for supporting proper family time.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Overwork, underpay and unemployment are destroying american families but the corporations love it as it is their business model! Our future as debt-slaves is assured unless we WTFU!

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

That is the key - waking up the sleepers who are being worked to death - that is if they still have a job.

Living wage

Sane working hours

and that is only a small part of the mess we find ourselves facing.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Perhaps things have to get worse to get better but it sure is scary sometimes!

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Things are getting worse - many who are being worked to death today here in the USA will be out of work tomorrow as their jobs are outsourced by their employers out of the USA to some other even worse sweat shop.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 9 years ago

already got a backlog of material I have to review

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Too backlogged for Inside Job...

Too busy chasing drone rumors and reality mysteries?

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Re. 'Inside Job' it's NEVER too late to watch it! Please try the link :)

Never Give Up! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Everybody see Inside Job and Heist!

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Regarding 'Inside Job', of course I'll agree with that - http://vimeo.com/24981578 We Must Never Give Up Exposing The Criminal Greed & Highlighting The Banking Oligarchy! Go Occupy Wall Street! Also see - http://www.nationofchange.org/winner-takes-all-super-priority-status-derivatives-1365860752 Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

And see this too, probably.

[-] 6 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

The 'Inside Job' link here still works, though it may take a little while to cache and I recommend it thoroughly. Also fyi - http://www.nationofchange.org/koch-brothers-pursue-control-media-1366645787 from which - 'We know the Koch Brothers, Charles and David Koch, as deniers of climate change, billionaire oil moguls, and environment destroyers, but now we may know them as major newspaper controllers. Until now Koch Industries has avoided investments in media. However at a recent annual seminar in Aspen, it was discussed that Koch Industries purchase the entire Tribune Company or at least the bundle of eight newspapers, valued at $623 million. The purchase would put the Koch brothers in charge of a large chunk of America’s largest print media, including newspapers like the Chicago Tribune, The Los Angeles Times, and the second-largest Spanish-language daily newspaper, Hoy.'

Never Give Up Exposing The Oligarchy! Occupy Democracy! solidarity.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23620) 7 years ago

"Never Give Up Exposing The Oligarchy! Occupy Democracy! solidarity."

Amen, Ache4Change. Thanks for all you've done on the forum.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

''Never Give Up Exposing The Oligarchy! Occupy Democracy!'' Right on and thus in a beautiful fit and continuation and expansion to ''Inside Job'', please do try to make time to see : ''Four Horsemen'' :

You'll get this A4C but you'll have to hurry & watch as this link is not gonna be around for long before the same goons that have made ''Heist'' so hard to find, get there beady eyes on this link. Solidarity !

multum in parvo ...

[-] 6 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

That's an astounding documentary film. With the kids at their grandparents, I watched it with a couple of friends and I can say that it has left a deep impression on me. It is ''Inside Job'' on steroids and I intend to share the link with as many people as possible before it is pulled. In reply and by way of thanks, see http://www.nationofchange.org/august-24-march-washington-why-we-need-new-civil-rights-and-labor-movement-1376144896 - from which I excerpt -

'The path to fundamental social change is not straight and clearly paved. Generations are consumed by building social movements powerful enough to topple an unjust status quo, only to fall back, sometimes for decades, if they haven't been able to pull out the economic and political grievances by their roots.'

'Nevertheless, even when no substantial progress is being made or gains are rolled back, the lessons of previous struggles are still absorbed and adjusted according to modern conditions by new layers of activists. The path to making another world possible may submerge for long periods only to again become visible and inviting on a broader and potentially more advanced level.'

Everyone should watch your important video link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWKx0PS3wDw .

Never Give Up The Fight For The 99%! Occupy The Arguments! Solidarity.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

Great 'NoC' link. I recommend it to all readers and re. ''The Four Horsemen'', for a selection of clips and interviews that did not make the final edit, please also see : http://www.fourhorsemenfilm.com/video/ .

multum in parvo ...

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'Since 1980, America has doubled in size. However, most wages have barely increased. This and other issues are what is plaguing our economy today. Robert Reich connects the dots on the economy, in less than 2 minutes and 15 seconds' - http://www.nationofchange.org/truth-about-economy-1376577796

I've been sharing your link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWKx0PS3wDw with all and sundry as it is such a great follow on and expansion of 'Inside Job' and well worth the 100 minutes spent watching it.

Never Give Up Exposing The Venality! Occupy The Issues! Solidarity.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Markets ! Finance !! Scandal !!! 'The Keiser Report' is a no holds barred look at the shocking scandals behind the global financial headlines. From the collusion between Wall Street & Capitol Hill to the latest banking crime wave, from the bogus government economic statistics to rigged stock markets, nothing escapes the eye of Max Keiser, a former stockbroker, inventor of the virtual specialist technology and co-founder of the Hollywood Stock Exchange. With the help of Keiser's co-host, Stacy Herbert, and guests from around the world, Keiser Report tells you what is really going on in the global economy.

Also, I can't quite remember if I've copied the following link to you yet, if not I strongly recommend it :

Thanx for the excellent Robert Reich video link & for spreading ''The Four Horsemen'' around. Solidarity.

consilio et animis ...

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Re. 'Heist', thanks for another great video link and it really sits well here. Max Keiser is great and very entertaining re. 'Markets, Finance, Scandal'! Here's a very good and informative link on some related matters http://www.nationofchange.org/don-t-get-complacent-about-social-security-they-still-want-cut-it-1377005520 Never Give Up Exposing Market Scandals'! Occupy 'Wisdom and Courage! Solidarity :)

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

''The Keiser Report'' is essential viewing for anyone who wants genuine insight into the machinations, manipulations and myriad mendacities of the money men of Wall Street, London, Frankfurt and beyond.

The word on the street stateside is that y'all can't watch live streaming of RT.com shows like: ''Breaking The Set''; ''The Big Picture with Tom Hartmann'' and ''The Keiser Report'' without audio/video interference of either video or audio or both. A heads up confirmation or otherwise, about this would be appreciated.

From your excellent and recommended link : ''The President was also planning to announce unilateral cuts to Social Security in his 2011 State of the Union message until, as the Wall Street Journal recently reported, he was pressured to back down at the last minute. And he continues to push for these cuts in negotiations with the Republicans.The Republicans are calling for them.'' You see, even 'The duopoly' is a sham because Oligopoly and Plutocracy is the dark reality behind the demoCRAZY deMOCKERYcy !

Again for everyone : ''Heist'' - A Trailer for the 99% : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltNaDDQZ07k !!

And : ''Crisis Of Civilisation'' : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMgOTQ7D_lk (Excellent doc. film) !!!

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 9 years ago

They are doing a good job of exposing themselves. Actually a GREAT job.

The internet as we know it is not going to be around too much longer, its exposing way too much information, and allowing for way to great of communication.

Perhaps that is why they didnt release the technology to the public for the first 40 yrs of existence.

Which begs the question- what technology do they have right now that we wont see until the year 2050?

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

''The internet as we know it is not going to be around too much longer,'' - What do you mean by that ?! No real way for us to know what may be waiting for us for sure - but open source, not for purely private profit, collaboration and co-operation - will be part of it .. I hope. Further to what you say, also consider :

"I would call Americanism - a totalitarian doctrine."

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 10 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

For an OMG moment, please see - http://www.nationofchange.org/larry-summers-and-secret-end-game-memo-1377266262 from which, I excerpt -

'In the late 1990s, the top US Treasury officials secretly conspired with a small cabal of banker big-shots to rip apart financial regulation across the planet. When you see the 26.3% unemployment in Spain, desperation and hunger in Greece, riots in Indonesia and Detroit in bankruptcy, go back to this End Game memo, the genesis of the blood and tears.'

'The Treasury official playing the bankers' secret End Game was Larry Summers. Today, Summers is Barack Obama's leading choice for Chairman of the US Federal Reserve, the world's central bank.'

Thank you once again for 'The Keiser Report' and 'Heist' links but I really think that NoC link from Greg Palast deserves your urgent and close scrutiny. I suppose that it's only a matter of time before Max Keiser gets hold of this story but we all need to appreciate just what has been and is, going on here.

Never Give Up Exposing The Bankers' Heinous Crimes! Go Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity to #S17!

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

OK, OMG !!! It's like a concentrated, bankster specific 'Lewis Powell Memo' moment !!

A fuckin' cabal of parasitic scum, out to shaft billions for private gain and power !

Good but scary find A4C, Palast is great and as he says :


''It's not the little cabal of confabs held by Summers and the banksters that's so troubling. The horror is in the purpose of the "end game" itself.

''Let me explain : The year was 1997. US Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin was pushing hard to de-regulate banks. That required, first, repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act to dismantle the barrier between commercial banks and investment banks. It was like replacing bank vaults with roulette wheels.

''Second, the banks wanted the right to play a new high-risk game: "derivatives trading." JP Morgan alone would soon carry $88 trillion of these pseudo-securities on its books as "assets."

''Deputy Treasury Secretary Summers (soon to replace Rubin as Secretary) body-blocked any attempt to control derivatives.

''But what was the use of turning US banks into derivatives casinos if money would flee to nations with safer banking laws?

''The answer conceived by the Big Bank Five : eliminate controls on banks in every nation on the planet – in one single move. It was as brilliant as it was insanely dangerous.

''How could they pull off this mad caper ? The bankers' and Summers' game was to use the Financial Services Agreement, an abstruse and benign addendum to the international trade agreements policed by the World Trade Organization.''


Great link. Thanx and in compliment on this important thread, re. 'The Powell Memo', I'll recommend :

A final five relevant links in compliment, for the standing record here but don't read them all at once, lol :

Solidarity @ #S17 and Never Give Up Occupying !!! Education ; Agitation ; Organisation !! Solidarity !

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 7 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Re. your excellent TPP links below, do also see - http://www.nationofchange.org/caspian-sea-arctic-middle-east-how-oil-pipelines-threaten-democracy-and-planet-s-survival-1381333230 on some highly related matters. It's very interesting. Never Give Up Joining The Dots! Occupy Justice and Solidarity!

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

The 'Politics Of Pipelines' is one of the great unspokens in so many events from TPP, Keystone to Syria so thanx for that great link from DemocracyNow!, in compliment of which, I append :

Never Give Up ! Occupy Solidarity !!

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 6 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

The 'Politics Of Pipelines' discussion between Pepe Escobar and James Corbet was a fascinating video link. Thank you and in keeping with this thread and Jim Hightower's piece on the TPP which you liked, please see - http://www.nationofchange.org/can-wall-street-buy-redemption-1383733823 . Never Give Up Joining The Dots Of Corporate Greed! Occupy The Bigger Picture! Solidarity.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

''Can Wall Street Buy Redemption ?!'' Hell, NO !! But nice link !!! Thanx & a new link for 'Inside Job' :

fiat lux et fiat justitia ...

[-] 6 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Further to Greg Palast's 'Larry Summer's 'End Game Memo' article and your revealing 'Lewis Powell Memo' links and links above plus in keeping with the broader subject of this thread, please also see http://www.nationofchange.org/average-american-family-pays-6000-year-subsidies-big-business-1380118180 - Thanks for all the very important links :) Never Give Up On The 99%! Go Occupy!

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Sorry to say that your link didn't work for me just now :-( Re. your OP and our exchange - I append :

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 6 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Thanks for your 'OK OMG' post :) That is some resource here especially about 'The Powell Memo' & I'm replying here for added information on this thread, with your own important link from 'warresisters.org' -

http://www.warresisters.org/sites/default/files/FY2014piechart-englishbw.pdf and this follow on piece -


Never Give Up Exposing The Banker-War Machine! Occupy Peace & Solidarity!

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

''Banker War Machine'' is about right !!! Now throw in Oil, Resources and Hegemony into that mix !! Thanx A4C & as you know, Iran is The Prize ! For a peek into history to contextualise the present, fyi :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Your links re. 'The Powell Memo' are really very important I suggest, especially now in the light of the recent Supreme Court decision -


http://www.nationofchange.org/mccutcheon-and-vicious-cycle-concentrated-wealth-and-political-power-1396622890 +

http://www.nationofchange.org/eight-headlines-mainstream-media-doesn-t-have-courage-print-1396884374# - by Paul Buccheit.

Never Give Up Exposing The Corporate Coup In The USA! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

The SCOTUS' 'McCutcheon' travesty, is the latest stage of the implementation of 'The Powell Plan' - aided by both D & R administrations and you are absolutely right to remind us of that here & thus I again recommend :

'Corporatocracy' is a word that everyone understands but what that really is (as Benito Mussolini himself defined) is Fascism [ http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4113.htm ], no more and no less !!!

However, don't let us all be downhearted or feel defeated and thus please further consider that perhaps ..

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Capitalism - ripping a once-strong society into little pieces! See - http://www.nationofchange.org/five-ways-capitalism-ripping-american-people-1380551003 & in replacement for my link above which did not work. Also try to see - http://www.nationofchange.org/trans-pacific-partnership-corporate-coup-disguise-1380720577 . Never Give Up! Occupy Solidarity!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

''The text of the TPP is classified, and members of Congress have restricted access to it. If they do read the text, they are not allowed to copy it or discuss any specifics of it. However, more than 600 corporate advisers have direct access to the text on their computers.

''The final formal round of negotiations was held in Brunei this August, and since then, there have been informal meetings to try and finalize sections of the agreement. As far as the president is concerned, the TPP is entering the home stretch. All he needs now is for Congress to vote to grant him fast track, also known as trade promotion authority, and it's a done deal. The facts show that the president may be deluding himself or trying to fool everyone else.

''This is because the TPP goes far beyond a trade deal. Only five of the 29 chapters contain provisions related to trade. The other chapters consist of provisions related to patent protections, investor state rights and finance deregulation, among others. The TPP is a backdoor corporate power grab to advance the stalled WTO agenda. Or as Sachie Mizohata writes in Asia Times, "The TPP is a Trojan horse, branded as a 'free trade' agreement, but having nothing to do with fair and equitable treatment. In reality, it is precisely 'a wish list of the 1% - a worldwide corporate power'. " from :

Thanx for your excellent links. I especially liked the Paul Buchheit piece re. Americans being gouged at every turn. Jim Hightower's article on TPP is also extremely important here too. Never give up exposing the parasites, vultures and leeches !!! Go Occupy !! Solidarity !

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Nomi Prins is second to none. Thank you very much for http://www.nomiprins.com/ and your reply @ https://occupywallst.org/forum/have-you-seen-the-film-inside-job-if-not-why-not-i/#comment-1028990 & the important comment and links there.

Also see - http://www.nationofchange.org/containing-competitive-monetary-easing-1398867870

Never Give Exposing Wall Street Malfeasance! Occupy The 99% Issues! Solidarity.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

''Are Private Banks Unconstitutional ?'' by Ellen Brown :

''When enough people understand that private banks rather than governments create our money supply, imposing interest and fees that constitute an enormous unnecessary drain on the economy and the people, we might wake up to a new day in banking, finance, and the return of local economic sovereignty.''

Thanx for your last ''NoC'' link. Ellen Brown's article compliments Raghuram Rajan's interesting article - which itself ends :

''The first step to prescribing the right medicine is to recognize the cause of the illness. And, when it comes to what is ailing the global economy, extreme monetary easing has been more cause than cure. The sooner we recognize that, the stronger and more sustainable the global economic recovery will be.''

Alas, there is no end to ''Wall Street Malfeasance'' & sadly they've bought Democracy AND those WE elect to represent US !!! Never Give Up !! Solidarity !

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

''McCutcheon Should Become A Rallying Cry for A Campaign to ‘End the Rule of Money’'', by K. Zeese & M. Flowers : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38198.htm is an excellent article that all with OWS sympathies should read. Thanks and in compliment, see - http://www.nationofchange.org/jp-morgan-jamie-dimon-1397396453 by Nomi Prins -

'New York is a wonderful town — if you run a mega bank. Because for over a century, the Big Six banks and their leaders have dominated not just the U.S. banking industry, but American and global finance, traversing the power corridor between the White House and Wall Street to help themselves, their families and their friends in good times and bad, in partnership with the President.'

'But in the process of placing personal enrichment over the public interest and fair practices, particularly in recent years, they have created an atmosphere where the next big crisis is not a question of if, but of when. History has shown that absent true reform, those holding the power and the money can and will wreak havoc on the rest of the population.'

Never, Ever Give Up Exposing The Corporate Banker Oligarchy! OCCUPY WALL STREET! Solidarity.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Nomi Prins [ http://www.nomiprins.com/ ] is particularly well placed to say the things she says, given her expert knowledge and banking background and from her excellent article, I excerpt :

''Today’s Big Six banks are largely combinations (with additional members thrown in the mix) of the same Big Six banks that thrived through the Panic of 1907, Crash of 1929, WWII, the Bay of Pigs, the 1990s merger mania, and the recent financial crisis of 2008.

''They now hold $9.4 trillion, or 84%, of FDIC-insured deposits, $12.5 trillion, or 85%, of all U.S. bank assets — and control 96% of all U.S., and 43% of the $693 trillion of global derivatives positions.

''For the last 100 years, their leaders have collaborated with willing Presidents to run America. Given current global financial complexity, the Big Six chairmen have more economic control than Presidents, governments or central banks. We don’t elect them, but we do keep our money with them. We shoulder the cost of the risks they take.

''With so much power in the hands of an elite few, America operates more as a plutocracy on behalf of the upper caste than a democracy or a republic. Voters are caught in the crossfire of two political parties vying to run Washington in a manner that benefits the banking caste, regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is sitting in the Oval. Meanwhile, American inequality is reaching pre-1929 heights.''

Thanx for your excerpt, comment and link and in compliment on this important thread, I append :

''A federal financial transactions tax would raise between $83 billion and $132 billion under a range of scenarios examined by the Congressional Research Service. It would also kill the goose that lays Wall Street's golden eggs. Or to be more accurate: It would draft her into the public service. If the next president has the courage to push a financial transactions tax through a reluctant Congress, be prepared to hear some very loud squealing. But it won't be the goose squealing. It will be the bankers.''

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Does anyone know what happened to the $88,000,000,000,000 of pseudo-securities that J.P. Morgan Chase carried as "assets"? Did the U.S. Federal Reserve come up with enough "liquidity" to inundate that hole to drown the serpent? Or are we still waiting for the TPP to pass so the global "bail-in" provision using depositor funds will prop up the "living wills" of the "too-big-to-fail" banks all over the world? Is TPP a sure-to-pass Russian doll just like how "bail-in" helped in the failures of the banks of Cyprus? I wonder sometimes what "fast-track" approval for TPP really means. What is the destination? Is it guarded by Cerberus?

Oh, it was the genius of Jamie Dimon, right?

Hohoho! Which geniuses could have clamored for Larry Summers to be the chairman of the Federal Reserve and Jamie Dimon to be the Secretary of the Treasury? Just imagine that: How utterly imaginative and real masters of the art of sado-masochism!

[-] 1 points by prospector22 (185) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

As the President and Congress fail to address unemployment, especially in terms of good jobs and as the wage/wealth dispartiy grows in this country...the kettle starts to make a light whistling noise.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

The kettle starting to whistle is a sure sign that things are on the way to boiling over. The avaricious Corporations (backed by The Bankers) are increasingly trying to gain full control of all aspects of our lives, laws and societies. In compliment of the TPP links below and though from an UK and European perspective a li'l, I append fyi, this vefy interesting, infuriating & kinda inspiring (to resist and fight back) article by the ever insightful George Monbiot :

''Investor-state rules could be used to smash any attempt to save the NHS from corporate control, to re-regulate the banks, to curb the greed of the energy companies, to renationalise the railways, to leave fossil fuels in the ground. These rules shut down democratic alternatives. They outlaw leftwing politics.

''This is why there has been no attempt by the (US)UK government to inform us about this monstrous assault on democracy, let alone consult us. This is why the Conservatives who huff and puff about sovereignty are silent. Wake up people, we're being shafted.''

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 0 points by prospector22 (185) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

Replying here. Just as the Wall St criminals continue to push their nefarious agenda on us...the Resistance builds, and like in past struggles where systemic changes were needed.... grass-root groups are coalescing knowing that we have a formidable common foe. They are reaching out and educating people in a plethora of ways... appealing to all age and ethnic groups.

First in my proof of this is, The Other 98% web site whom Occupy's own Alexis Goldstein (a former Wall Streeter...now reformed;-) is an organizer with. The ...98%'s motto - Kicking Corporate Asses for the Working Classes... (don't miss A Lobbyist and a Senator Walk Into A Restaurant.....:)


And in if you don't have the time to figure out or keep up with all the bullshit going on...and you want to hear the truth.. in just a few short minutes, then just tune into Ms Goldstein's weekly Break Down; (what a dynamo she is!)


And then for some more creative...seasonal.. resistance and outreach, enjoy, get angry and learn from Ms Carty (dressed as a witch!:) You could listen to the MSM all week and not know most of the really bad crap that really went on.....but again the *truth takes only 4-5 minutes to tell for this intelligent, enlightened young woman.


The enlightenment is not all done creatively though, rather... like in past struggles that sought systemic change, it is where church groups, radicals (and soon to be), reformers and community groups banded together to find common ground and unity; then went on to coordinate their efforts and educate the masses in knowing we have a common oppressor, and in this case as in as in most cases...it's the oligarchy.

At a recent event in Manhattan held at the All Souls Unitarian Church and sponsored by the Peace & Justice Task Force task force of that church, and the Big Apple Coffee Party (a NY altruistic non-partisan civic group), there was a symposium called It's Our Money - Making The Economy Work For Us....the speakers were (not in this order), Marc Armstrong the Executive Director of The Public Banking Institute, then Omar Freilla founder of The Green Worker Co-operatives, then the indomitable Ms Goldstein and finally the tell it like it is Professor of Economics. Richard Wolf.


I guess all I really wanted to say is, there's a lot of good people in NY who are working hard to make this a Better World, and you can be sure there are a lot more of their/our kindred spirits... throughout the World doing the same thing.

I do not know what Occupy Wall Street's role will be on our journey to justice..but I do know that if Occupy does nothing else....it has already done its job....and a cracking one at that.

Merci Occupez et la Solidarite

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

http://other98.com/ is a great site and your comprehensive and very appreciated comment was a joy. I recommend your links to all readers. Alexis Goldstein is great and was one of the prime movers behind http://www.occupythesec.org/ and Prof. R. D. Wolff ( http://rdwolff.com/ ) - is someone I have enormous respect for. Also see : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-McLWRHJ4bw (RDW @ OWS/NY - 2011).

Yes - ''there's a lot of good people in NY who are working hard to make this a Better World, and you can be sure there are a lot more of their/our kindred spirits ... throughout the World doing the same thing.'' & ditto. Reading your comment yesterday, inspired me to make the following info. comments here :

Viva Occupy !!! Solidarity to you, yours and to your colleagues !! La beute' est dans la rue !

salut, merci et bonne chance ...

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

resistance is fertile

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Please see link below to 'Inside Job, Behind The Heist'.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

Excellent video link and thanx for the heads up 'A4C', further to which, I append an article by Charles Ferguson (Director/Producer of 'Inside Job')

verbum sat sapienti ...

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Money is manipulating our politics and the choice between only two corporation owned parties is very barely any choice. We are again left with the lesser of two evils but that difference is a very big deal to many millions of americans - if only they would get out and vote! Thank you for that very strong article.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

Thanx 'A4C' & excellent comment, post and thread. Further, please consider :

caveat ...

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Another election theft can not be contemplated - can it? Thank you for that piece and the final two 'truth-out' links which are very hard hitting.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

"The Flaw" - http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-flaw-2011/ !!! Excellent documentary film hence this strong recommendation !! Dovetails well with 'Inside Job' !

ad iudicium ...

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Watched this soon after you posted it here. A Fantastic Documentary Film! Like, 'Inside Job', it really is compulsory viewing for OWS I'd suggest. Thank you again.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

I strongly recommend "The Flaw" and also append herewith :

fiat lux ...

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

I read this link with great interest and it ends with - '“The study of money, above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not to reveal it. The process by which banks create money is so simple the mind is repelled.”, by John Kenneth Galbraith, and never was a truer word said!

Also from this article - 'The current system of money issue widens the gap between rich and poor by concentrating its lending for investment on large corporations, while charging the economically excluded exorbitant rates on borrowing for consumption. It conspires against an optimal supply of money by ensuring that the quantity of money in circulation never reflects the amount of wealth being created, thus introducing instability into the economy and driving the damaging cycle of boom and bust.' Thank you for sharing this. Never Give Up! Go Occupy!

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

Again : "The Flaw" - http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-flaw-2011/ & thanx for your great excerpts.

pax ...

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'The Flaw' is a really excellent documentary and well worth the time spent watching. Thanks again. Solidarity!

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

'Inside Job' resolves any confusion re. OWS & its raison d'etre. Maybe we should all watch it on a regular basis.

Never Give Up ! Occupy The Occupiers !! Solidarity @ The 99% !!!

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 9 years ago

Solidarity 2 U A4C!


[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Makes one deathly ill to see this crap. As well as intensely angry.

Wake UP People !!!! WTFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (1830) 4 minutes ago

'Big Bank Immunity - when do we crack down on Wall St. ?'

http://www.nationofchange.org/big-bank-immunity-when-do-we-crack-down-wall-street-1363098432 .

It's never too late to watch - or re-watch 'Inside Job'. Occupy The Issues! Solidarity. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago


[-] 3 points by shadz66 (10326) 2 minutes ago

'Inside Job' resolves any confusion re. OWS & its raison d'etre. Maybe we should all watch it on a regular basis.

'Inside Job' : http://vimeo.com/24981578 ,

'Inside Job, Behind The Heist' : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A ,

"America's Duopoly of Money in Politics and Manipulation of Public Opinion", by Charles Ferguson (Director/Producer of 'INSIDE JOB') : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32655.htm ,

"Socialism for the Rich - Capitalism for Everyone Else", by Mark Braund : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28722.htm &

"Is There an Alternative for Capitalist Economics and Politics? Richard Wolff Says - Yes" : http://truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/13759-is-there-an-alternative-for-capitalist-economics-and-politics-richard-wolff-says-yes .

Never Give Up ! Occupy The Occupiers !! Solidarity @ The 99% !!!

pax, amor et lux ... ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 7 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'Big Bank Immunity - when do we crack down on Wall St. ?'

http://www.nationofchange.org/big-bank-immunity-when-do-we-crack-down-wall-street-1363098432 .

It's never too late to watch - or re-watch 'Inside Job'. Occupy The Issues! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 9 years ago

Completely agree.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'A New Direction For Occupy in 2013'? - http://www.nationofchange.org/new-direction-occupy-2013-1357400222 - Many thanks for your numerous thought provoking posts. Never Give Up! Solidarity :)

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

6 degrees of separation in action to reach the world - I like it.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

The United States is moving on an aggressive, disastrous path of privatization of government services. Please try to see http://www.nationofchange.org/time-decide-concentrated-privatized-wealth-or-shared-prosperity-and-economic-democracy-1374758622 . Never Give Up On The 99%! Occupy Wall Street!

[-] 2 points by forourfutures (393) 9 years ago

But shooz won't go after ALEC, and their programs lead corporations and governments to cooperate.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

I have no idea what that means but have you seen http://vimeo.com/41715733 ?

ALEC Sucks Koch! Never Give Up Fighting The Bastards! Go Occupy Wall Street!

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 9 years ago

Shooz misinterprets to evade the fact there is a way to go after ALEC and expose them for how bad they really are.

Shooz would prefer the sensation of their bad deeds to a method to stop them. There is that petition. A poster was attacked by GF and dka for creating a petition that had the public asking ALEC to be intellectually accountable for a strategy proposed for article v. If ALEC is so bad, why not make it obvious by asking very important questions about very important things they are doing?

My analysis shows a disproportionately large effort to make ALEC look bad, then use a phony group to associate citizens with Article V because ALEC is supposedly working for an Article V. By doing so they work to make the sheep afraid of Article V.

Which apparently is our first constitutional right.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Re. 'If ALEC is so bad'?! What's with the 'IF'? What's your concern with making ALEC look bad? Please see - http://www.nationofchange.org/topics/company/alec Seems you are drawing me into an argument that I'm unsure about but at my peril, I will have to inquire about your point about Article V so do feel free to educate if not illuminate us here & read that 'truth-out' ALEC link. Never Give Up! Occupy The Issues!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

Be careful what you ask for.

He's been asked for an explanation many times, and never once was he able to explain it. Not under any of his many nameplates.

Not once.

He just opens up his trick bag, and asks you to fall in.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'Nameplates'? Lol & I don't mind falling in if it bumps my post and people remember to watch 'Inside Job' and recall why it is OWS had to happen and why we are all here.

We're in an information war and as they own the MSM then we have to get very cyber-effective and then 'Occupy The Streets'. What do you think all their NSA surveillance is really all about? 'Terrorism' is their BS answer but the ONLY terrorism we really feel is from them! It's about keeping a Big Eye on all of us. Oh & btw - http://www.nationofchange.org/nsa-says-it-can-t-search-its-own-emails-1374761950 Hmmm!

Never Give Up Resisting Their Occupation! Occupy Our Future!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

LOL........All that computing power is too busy sorting out Billions and billions of forwards, spam, LOLcat pics and just silliness, to get any actual work done.

LOLcats must drive cryptologists nuts..

It makes me want to start forwarding all kinds of stuff, just to confuzzle their system.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

You could forward this instead - http://www.nationofchange.org/united-states-alec-privatizing-america-one-statehouse-time-1371908974 & what's a LOLcat? Never Give Up The 99% Struggle! Occupy The Issues! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago


some of the funniest stuff on the net.

My wife and I never miss Sunday LOLcats at democraticunderground.com

Say squeeeeeeee!


You must enjoy warm and fuzzy...............:)

Fight ALEC, wherever you find them.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Hmmm. Thanks but no thanks. I'm a dog owner but as for cats? Well, cute for a few months but after that, I couldn't eat a whole one - well not at one sitting! You'd still be better off forwarding such as this http://www.nationofchange.org/america-s-health-care-divide-1375277969 . Fight ALEC .. throw cats at them, drive them to distraction and then roast them whole - cats and all ;) No offence meant. Me-ouch!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

No offense taken........................:)

My cats are pooping behind your favorite chair, where your dog will eat them, just before he licks your face............................:)

Health care??

That's for Germans

Real Americans know.

Things go better with Koch!! (not)

Appropriately enough, from crooks and liars.


[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

My dog doesn't eat cats - well not any more - not since I showed him how tender kittens are but thanks for giving up your moggies anyway. I'll get them turned into gloves or something and send them back for 'Catsmas or Mew Year' but don't tell the wife what happened to them ;) Thank you though for your really strong link and here are three in return to you -



http://www.nationofchange.org/welcome-network-global-corporate-control-1359643763 .

Never Give Up Joining The Dots! Occupy All Streets! Solidarity!

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 9 years ago

articlev.org has a few threads that detail what is being called, preparatory amendment. The logic of preparing for a convention to assure constitutional intent is unassailable. However, few Americans have any idea of what that intent is.

[-] -1 points by forourfutures (393) 9 years ago

Not everyone thinks like we think. Those people require different proof. That is a prime diversion tactic in the psyops. Basically repitition of sensation of complaint. Lots of emotional reasoning. They rally it back and forth using up space and get others to join in. Shooz complains because I won't take part in the social activity, trying to inspire a little emotional reasoning by the viewers.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

More people would 'think like we think' IF they were exposed to the information and the arguments that argue for The 99%. Forget about petty squabbles and any baiting. Think of your family, friends and The American 99% and keep making your arguments and points. For example, please try to consider these




Do What You Can! Never Give Up The 99% Struggle! Occupy The Agenda! For Our Futures! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by forourfutures (393) 9 years ago

Agreed, no more petty differences. Entertaining those helps the NWO agenda.

Correct, more people would think like us if we had what it takes to purify our ranks of the fraudulent leadership. We can test the frauds with common sense IF we can agree on what that is, and where it needs to be applied first.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'Today’s corporations – giants like Monsanto, Exxon Mobile, and Goldman Sachs – are not benign. They are not businesses in the traditional sense of the word. They are too big to be compatible with a healthy, competitive economy. As we have witnessed repeatedly in recent years, they are too often immune from the legal and financial consequences of their own actions. Corporate America has conjured up a new economic order wherein commerce is secondary to politics and profit is a euphemism for profiteering.'

'Multinational corporations are not people and, less obvious but no less critical to an understanding of our decline as a nation, they are not engaged in business if by that term we mean commercial enterprise dependent on market forces. Real businesses seek profits through productivity, not politics. It’s the opposite for Wall Street’s major players. Business is what happens on Main Street while Wall Street is busy creating phony “products” and picking “the peoples’” pockets.' - Excerpted from this excellent article - http://www.nationofchange.org/business-america-requiem-1375190244 .

Never Give Up Resisting The Corporations & Their Money! Occupy The Issues That Affect Real People!

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 9 years ago

Corp personhood will require massive authority to get rid of. Many are saying that it can only happen with Article V.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'Citizens United' and 'Corporate Personhood' is an outright putsch on the American people and will need the rest of us 99% to get our shit together and demand that the constitution be restored or else we may as well say - 'Dear Royal Baby: We Americans Apologise For Our Revolution; Please Be Our Absolute Monarch' - http://www.nationofchange.org/dear-royal-baby-we-americans-apologize-our-revolution-please-be-our-absolute-monarch-1374848392 .

'Take your time. You’ll want to be able to walk and say a few words. Get potty-trained ( though that isn’t really a prerequisite for our politicians). But as soon as you can, we’d like you to become monarch of the United Kingdom of the American States and rule us as an absolute monarch. You won’t understand yet, but there are also these black leather “toys” we’d like you to use on us, now that we’re so past those absurd “liberties.” ' - After all, we have our robber barons so we may as well have our kings!

The US Supreme Court Has Behaved Treacherously By Favoring Corporations! Occupy The SCOTUS!

[-] 2 points by forourfutures (393) 9 years ago

What happened to the occupy congress call? The SCOTUS will say the issue is political, and they don't do that. They held CU for congress so the biggest corps could win elections with money.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'Glass Steagall Now: Because The Banks Own Washington' - http://www.nationofchange.org/glass-steagall-now-because-banks-own-washington-1375968414 , from which -

'The quid pro quo for having the government guarantee deposits was that commercial banks were supposed to restrict their loans to a limited number of relatively safe activities, such as mortgage loans, small business loans, car loans and other simple and standardized forms of credit. These restrictions are essential, because if customers know their money is guaranteed by the government, they won’t care if their bank is taking enormous risks. The government must act to impose discipline on bank behavior that will not come from the market when deposits are insured.'

'By contrast, investment banks were set free to engage in whatever risky behavior they liked. Investment banks did not take deposits but rather raised money through issuing bonds or other forms of borrowing. In principle, their potential failure did not pose the same risk to the economy.'

'The ending of Glass-Steagall removed the separation between investment banks and commercial banks, raising the possibility that banks would make risky investments with government-guaranteed deposits. In principle, even after the ending of Glass Steagall banks were supposed to keep a strict separation between their commercial banking and the risky bets taken by their investment banking divisions, but this depends on the ability of regulators to enforce this restriction.'

The SCOTUS is no less owned by the banks and corporations I think. Democracy is ever more obviously a total sham and 4/5 yearly PR exercise throughout 'The West'. Fascism is right here.

Want a shot in the arm ? Then watch this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWKx0PS3wDw

Never Give Up On Trying To Reclaim Democracy! Occupy Wall Street - Occupy ALL Streets!

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 9 years ago

If they are so bad, why won't you expose the root of their evil? They want what is being called an "unconstitutional convention". Well, that's a form of insurrection.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

So was the Bush administration. I was one of the few bitching up a storm in a sea of future teabagge(R)s.

Being called names, kinda like around here.

No one was calling for art5 during that insurrection.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 9 years ago

Yes, and look, it's happening again worse and there is a powerful organization organizing corporate funding to create unconstitutional legislation. These proponents (articlev.org) of Article V have one thing right. If the people ever start trying to work with constitutional intent, they will make the goverment constitutional and do it well.

If ALEC thinks they can contribute to an Article V convention, they MUST have interest in constitutional intent. That much power without proper intent becomes far more of a dynamic threat to the constitution than the few steps gwb took to create the situation we have.

[-] 7 points by gsw (3400) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 8 years ago

Next time some banikster lender cold calls you to refinance with them, respond to them in email you are still pissed bankers and wall street wrecked economy in 08, banks should be public owned, interest should be .001 percent, you haven't had a raise in 6 years. Link to this site and thread. Tell them fat bankers will get no more of your money, little guys should unite.

Reality should slap Wall Street in the face, for what they did to worlds people.

Ok maybe if enough people speak up we can get some real change, not lip service, for the people.


Then post here how happy you feel to have your voice heard for a brief moment. And how you aren't going to play their game today.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Yes 'banks should be public owned, interest should be .001 percent, you haven't had a raise in 6 years. Link to this site and thread. Tell them fat bankers will get no more of your money, little guys should unite.' - Thanks for your lovely comment & fyi -




Never Give Up! Occupy The Future! Solidarity.

[-] 5 points by lessisless (4) 8 years ago

"Inside job" is a great reminder that deregulation is harmful by -- up front -- showing what happened in Iceland. By deregulating the financial industry, their whole economy exploded. Massive deregulation is happening in places like Chicago (the privatization of highways, public transit fares, even schools!), but we need to remember that naked markets forces, without the protections of regulations, often destroy the lives of workers and they often have adverse immediate effects on local economies. Inside Job is an infuriating movie that needs to be watched.

[-] 6 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

'On Wall Street - Sounds of Silence from The President' - http://www.nationofchange.org/wall-street-sounds-silence-president-1391526946 and thank you for your excellent comment. Never Give Up Exposing Wall Street's Capture Of The Government! Occupy The Banks! Solidarity.

[-] 5 points by spinoza34 (400) 8 years ago

It is time for me to see Inside Job again.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

Here's a safe link.


[-] 4 points by spinoza34 (400) 8 years ago


[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Re. 'Inside Job' - your point is sound. It deserves viewing often and the links on this thread compliment it very well (even if I say so myself :). I have just followed your comment to me here to see that it has been 'removed' and I find myself wondering why but am cross linking to Builder's very good link again here - http://occupywallst.org/forum/once-more-into-the-breach-fine-soor/

Also see - http://www.nationofchange.org/make-no-mistake-you-are-american-debt-slave-1389886420 - Never Give Up Exposing The Vampires! Occupy Wall Street Because They're Occupying Main Street & Every Other Street! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Builder's 'Inside Job' link is good and I've also put a new link in my OP too. Here is a good article fyi - http://www.nationofchange.org/retirement-theft-four-despicable-steps-1389019806 Never Give Up! Go Occupy! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

the blogs are jamming my computer until I finally hit stop script

this makes two way communication difficult

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Which blogs? Do you mean on 'NoC' ? Or elsewhere?

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

when I go to the blogs from the top menubar my browser is firefox

the article comments are coming through fine. (good job there)

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

I never noticed those blogs! I should explore 'NoC' site more, lol. Thanks.



[-] 6 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

'Timothy Geithner’s new book about the financial crisis, “Stress Test,” is basically an argument that the Wall Street bailout succeeded. That’s hardly surprising, given that Geithner was in charge of the bailout when Treasury Secretary, and so has an inherit interest in telling the public it succeeded.' from -


I seem to recall a very different tone the last time you replied to my comments.

So I thought it fair and reasonable to remind you of how you once were here.

Never Give Up Focussing On The Real 99% Foes! Occupy Solidarity!

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

wall street has a cheer leading team

[-] 7 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Very True! http://robertreich.org/ is a good anti-cheerleader. Try to check out some of the videos there.

Never, Ever Give Up Trying To Retake The Country Back From The 1%! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity.


[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Bernanke and Geithner are reaping fat rewards from bailing out big banks while giving the rest of us a recovery that wasn’t - so stop defending Wall Street Larceny and its enablers!


'First, Wall Street’s government bailout restored the banksters who wrecked our economy to full prosperity. Now, it’s paying off very handsomely for the bank overseers who orchestrated the bailout.'

'Now he’s on a global “Show Me Some Love” tour, pocketing up to $250,000 for each speech he delivers to the financial giants he rescued with our money. For example, as chairman of the Federal Reserve for eight years, Ben Bernanke led the bucket brigade that poured trillions of public dollars into Wall Street’s vaults.'

I have just no idea about the rest of your reply but good luck with the Zen.

Never Give Up Looking For Your Zen! Do Stop Occupying Your Inner Dog!

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

The SCOTUS is a big problem! Clinton was a bid enabler for this sh*t so Dems are not beyond blame either.

[-] 4 points by ivyquinn (167) 9 years ago

I love this film. Not many I know have seen it.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Show it to friends and family and share it where and when you can by e-mail etc. Also please do try to see - "The Flaw" - http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-flaw-2011/ - and check other links here like 'The Warning' etc. Never Give Up! Go Occupy!

[-] 3 points by ivyquinn (167) 9 years ago

OccupynEverywhere!! Media, Government, education as well as online. We need to spread the truth.

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Please see - 'The Story of Citizens United v. FEC (2011)' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5kHACjrdEY - This is an EXCELLENT animated video gem and everyone here should watch this 9 minute video. It perfectly encapsulates our corporation captured and controlled government. My sincere thanks to - 'factsrfun' for posting this on another thread ( http://occupywallst.org/forum/cbs-news-story-on-walmart-strike-mainstream-media-/ ).

Happy Thanksgiving & Go Occupy!

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 9 years ago

Thanks A4C, I just finished watching Inside Job again for the thrid time (first time in a long time tho..), I think. Here's a quote from the ending: "It won't be easy, but some things in life are worth fighting for."

And another quote from the doc Wake Up Call: New World Order; "We've been conditioned into a state of perpetual apathy, distraction, fear, and ignorance. [But] We will find our way."

And a quote from Truthdig; "We are building a movement to challenge this system while creating alternatives and supporting each other. We want an economy where are debts are to our friends, families, and communities - and not to the 1%."

And lastly a quote from David Graeber; "...a population that is empowered and works together is more difficult to oppress and control."

Solidarity ~Odin~

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

David Graeber; "...a population that is empowered and works together is more difficult to oppress and control." & http://www.nationofchange.org/cancer-capitalism-1367852286 Never Give Up On The 99%! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity Odin :)

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 9 years ago

It should be very heartening to all of us to know that there are so many good groups and individuals working hard to see that we reach the critical mass of people that we need to put this corrupt system out of business

When that happens, much in the way it did in the early 20th century struggles, people will have a feeling of EMPOWERMENT

The last three paragraphs of the below Triangle news item link being the most pertinent to our conversation


Check out some of the high-lighted (near the bottom) exchanges & links between shadz and I on the below link when you have time


Thanks for being here A4C & Yes Solidarity..Maintenant Et Toujours...Nu Och For Evigt & Now and Forever!


[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Perhaps only 99% Solidarity and 'Class Consciousness' can enable the bottom-up, Mass Movement that we all need and which OWS is trying to seed. Thank you for your bump, comment and links which I'll investigate later for sure and here's an excellent article in return, courtesy of a recent link from 'shooz' - http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/05/06/read-this-our-common-wealth-the-hidden-economy-that-makes-everything-else-work/ . I have to go pick up the kids now but solidarity to you friend. Never Give Up! Go Occupy!

[-] 3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago
[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Interesting post and thread. The problem is Far Bigger than the GOP though. In a way the Corporate Capture of The Democratic Party is actually more shocking and worrying! Never Give Up Against The Duopoly! Occupy Democracy! - http://www.nationofchange.org/five-facts-about-america-s-pathological-wealth-distribution-1354546558 .

[-] -3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Of course you know that is exactly what the Cons want you to think?!

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

The whole political spectrum is variations of 'Cons'! I have to get on wth my stuff now, but seriously - you may not be a 'Con' but Obama and more importantly, The Dem Party structure, is way to the right of OWS, The 99% and the vast majority of decent, compassionate, right thinking, people in the world at large. Which is why we must - Never Give Up & Keep Occupying The Issues!

[-] -2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Again, this is what the RepubliCons want you to believe.

That sooo many did not believe that BS, helped us dodge another bullet, nationally.

But Cons concentrated on the states, that's a real problem!!!

If you are talking about the overall shift to the right, people PEOPLE need to WTFU!!!!

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'Corporate Profits Hit Record High While Worker Wages Hit Record Low' - http://www.nationofchange.org/corporate-profits-hit-record-high-while-worker-wages-hit-record-low-1354554553 - Have Obama or The Democrats addressed these issues? Are the instigators of and profiteers from, the 2007/8 until now, Global Financial Crisis been bought to book? How are Dems so different to Reps? Read my link please and Keep Occupying The Issues - NOT The Partisan Affiliations!

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 9 years ago

So it is ok for you to attack Dems but if the MOST guilty (repubs) are attacked then we should not "occupy the party affiliation"?

That doesn't seem fair.

Wages,? too low, stagnant for 3 decades.

1 Party has fought for increase in min wage!!!!

1 party has ALWAYS fought against it!!!!

Most recently it has been Repubs who have obstructed every dem effort at increasing the minimum wage.

Dems ain't fightin enough (against repubs) and the increase they offer is much too low.

But this difference is profound. You disagree.?

I say pressure all pols with massive protests for living wage w/ colas. WE are responsible for not supporting the pols who fight for the minimum wage. US!!! The People.

I say: replace anti living wage conservative (both parties) w/ pro living wage progressives.

That'll do it.

But don't spew the fallacy that the parties are the same. That is dishonest, and serves the enemy of increased wages, by minimizing those fighting for increased wages!

[-] -2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Too bad the POTUS, especially one not of the 1% owned GOP, can't wave a wand and fix everything the previous administration screwed up or neglected.

Too bad we don't do dictators like Cons are apt to do.

And too bad newbies and/or political no-nothings don't get these political realities, perceived "seeming" contradictions and complications. I'm not here to teach you, no matter how much you need it.

OWS was started to fight off the tyranny of the 1% on the 99%. Dems are our best bet to achieving that goal (we dodged a deadly bullet reelecting Obama), and everything is political and therefore partisan.

SO drink your tippy cup of STFU!!!

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

You behave like another bad mannered, angry voiced, sarcastic, patronising, duopoly accepting, party hack - just you're stuck in Democratic Party Delusions! How dare you use language like that without provocation? I seem to recall a totally different tone from you when discussing Naomi Klein's 'Shock Doctrine' before. Never Stop Trying to Occupy Good Manners!

[+] -4 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Don't bother me simpleton, I have real things to do.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

I think you'll find that it was you who was trying to 'bother' me and your bad manners leave much to be desired. Thanks for bumping my post though :) & please feel free to do so again when you have time in your busy schedule. Occupy New Ways To Think About Old Problems! Never Give Up Trying The New!

[+] -6 points by lignite (-303) 9 years ago

previous administration = the obama admin. That poor soul inherited yet another mess.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

And then there is the dumbass troll problem.

[-] 3 points by toobighasfailed (117) 9 years ago

I've seen it 5 times and read everything on this list: http://www.switchyourbank.org/reading_list

If everyone just watched that documentary and read a book or two about what's going on still in Wall Street, then we could create a more focused protest movement. I think it's essential to remember that Occupy Wall Street is primarily about Wall Street.

[-] 6 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

That is a simply EXCELLENT link and comment! I loved it! Thank you very much and I hope everyone will look at - http://www.switchyourbank.org/ and I sincerely wish you and yours my very best good wishes for the holidays. Never Give Up! Go Occupy!

[-] 3 points by elf3 (4203) 9 years ago

Thanks for the reminder about this film - i forgot it was out there and had wanted to see it. It is remarkable that when you are a billionaire or corporation and commit a crime - you are fined. If you are an average citizen, you go to jail. There must be a call for jail time. It's a federal crime to steal mail, but not to steal money from the entire population? The theme of the film should be to look into the justice system that allows all of these people off with a slap on the wrist.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 7 years ago

Occupiers must see 'Inside Job' ( http://vimeo.com/20853241 ) whenever they may feel a little confused or forgetful about just what we're all about and why Occupy Wall Street was so very necessary and fyi - http://www.nationofchange.org/2014/11/12/koch-backed-nonprofit-raised-44-million-2013/ Never Give Up! 'All Day, All Week - Occupy Wall Street' because - All day, all week, Wall St. Occupies Main Street!

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'Inside Job' should be watched (more than once!) by everyone who approves of Occupy Wall Street and I really agree with you that our justice system and especially the Supreme Court has been as corrupted by money and the corporations as our political system has been. Thanks for your comment.

[-] 3 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 9 years ago

I caught this film earlier today when you placed a link on another post, and watched the whole thing. It's very well put together and factual film that all should see. Kudos!! What should anger us, is that we're being ruled by thieves and that capitalism has morphed into a Kleptocracy.

“The amount of tyranny you get, is the exact amount you put up with.” - TJ

Kleptocracy, alternatively cleptocracy or kleptarchy, (from Greek: κλέπτης - kleptēs, "thief"[1] and κράτος - kratos, "power, rule",[2] hence "rule by thieves") is a form of political and government corruption where the government exists to increase the personal wealth and political power of its officials and the ruling class at the expense of the wider population, often without pretense of honest service. This type of government corruption is often achieved by the embezzlement of state funds.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'Rule by thieves' - that is exactly where we are at! 'Inside Job' shows some of the background to our 'tyranny' but I am not taking responsibility for any of it! Don't try to blame the victims, let's string up the perps!

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (5843) 9 years ago

Hello Ache,

'Inside Job' is an excellent production. Have seen it 2x, and am planning a 3rd viewing.

Also excellent is '9/11 Explosive Evidence', '9/11 Loose Change' and 'Gasland'.

9/11 Explosive Evidence on PBS & available online http://truth-out.org/news/item/11851-colorado-pbs-runs-9-11-film-sponsored-by-9-11-families-experts-reject-official-story-present-evidence-of-demolition

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Thanks & I live & breathe in 'Gasland'! Also that is a very powerful article. I'm feeling very weird after reading it.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Well obviously y'all may have seen it already but am writing on my own here just to remind y'all to watch it again and share. I have to get cooking now for the hungry people soon to arrive and then I think that I'll bribe them to watch 'Inside Job'! Bye for now y'all, it's been an education! Never Give Up! Go Occupy!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

'Glass Steagall' and Senator Byron Dorgan's (D-ND) warning from 1999 :

Also re. 'GS' : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act .

God job with this post 'A4C'.

ad iudicium ...

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

I'm glad that I had breakfast already as I could not have watched that on an empty stomach, so cross did it make me! Thanks man as I think it was your vid.link that I first saw. Where's Byron Dorgan now?

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

Byron Dorgan is now "Senior Policy Advisor at Arent Fox, LLP – one of Washington DC’s premiere law firms" after retiring from The Senate in Januarr '11 - so make of that 'revolving door' what you will & also :

pax ...

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

'How Wall Street has turned housing into a dangerous get-rich-quick scheme - again!' from -

http://www.nationofchange.org/empire-strikes-back-1385562175 Memories are short and greed prevails.

Watching that Byron Dorgan link makes me shudder now as to how blind our legislators were and still are - mainly because they're corrupt. Never Give Up Exposing The Larceny! Occupy Reason! Solidarity.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

I saw, read and linked to this article via 'Truth-Out' and ICH. It's an excellent though infuriating read which I recommend to all readers. Byron Dorgan was clearly well ahead if his time & also fyi, see :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

'An Open Letter To The 3.5%' - http://www.nationofchange.org/open-letter-35-1386087186 - 'Yes, you: You! Are! The 3.5%! We are in a historic moment where a new cultural, political, ecological reality must emerge and replace the dominant paradigm. The planet itself, to say nothing of the overwhelming majority of human beings, can no longer live with the killer that is global corporate capitalism in our midst.'

Thank you for that very interesting linked video of Warren Buffet's son and - "Poverty, hunger, the environment, education, health - all those things are symptoms of a larger problem of nobody really wanting to get in there and blow some things up," Buffett says.

Never Give Up Exposing The Reality Behind The Curtain! Occupy Transparency! Solidarity.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

That's a great shot in the arm video link, which we should all watch. Thanx A4C & in compliment, see :

Warren Buffet's son seemed like an honest, heart centred human being - as opposed to 'human having' or 'human doing'. Never Give Up Occupying. Solidarity & the best wishes of the season to you & yours.

pax et lux ...

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Thanks for the Chomsky piece, where he is asked, 'Capitalism's appetite for destruction was never in doubt, but in your recent writings you pay increasing attention to environmental destruction. Do you really think human civilization is at stake?' and where part of his reply goes -

'Those enthusiastically leading the race to fall off the cliff are the richest and most powerful societies, with incomparable advantages, like the US and Canada. Just the opposite of what rationality would predict - apart from the lunatic rationality of "really existing capitalist democracy."' -

So in compliment to your link, please see - http://www.nationofchange.org/88-percent-congress-gas-industry-payroll-campaign-donations-hit-record-level-1386519789 Never Give Joining The Dots! Occupy The Real 99% Issues! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

''88% of Congress on Gas Industry Payroll'' !!! WTF ?!! Holy Shit ! Extracted from your great link :

Furthermore, in compliment but at a tangent tho' still with 'Corporatocracy' in mind, please see :

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Great links :) Wendell Potter's piece is both eye opening and gut wrenchingly infuriating at the same time and in compliment -

http://www.nationofchange.org/2013-resistance-report-year-review-1388508474 & you have got to see -

http://www.nationofchange.org/geithner-gets-perch-wall-street-1388416748 and -

http://www.nationofchange.org/jamie-dimon-s-daughter-wants-criminals-brought-justice-1388672234 ...

''Laura Dimon, daughter of Jamie Dimon, one of the most notorious financial criminals who has still managed to escape incarceration, wants to see criminals do hard time in jail. But in an article she recently wrote for PolicyMic, she apparently forgot to include her dad in her list of "6 Most Notorious Criminals [Who] Aren't Facing the Justice They Deserve."

Never Give Up! Occupy 2014! Solidarity.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Tim Geithner & Jamie Dimon are criminals - no 'ifs or buts' and Dimon's daughter's self-righteous myopia is shared by her entire 0.01% Parasite Class. From your 2nd link :

''Writing in 'The New Yorker magazine', Andrew Huszar says we need not be surprised that the former treasury chief is cashing in on his insider knowledge and contacts. Huszar worked at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York when Geithner became president of that powerful supervisor of Wall Street firms. Yes, the guy who was responsible for rescuing and regulating Wall Street’s too-big-to-fail, multibillion-dollar, financial casinos is now the president of one'' (ie.'Warburg Pincus') & from 3rd link :

''Dimon's admission of wrongdoing happened at an investor conference organized by Goldman Sachs, during which he said, "We have control issues we've got to fix. We're taking an ax to it. We're going to fix the problems that have been identified." Dimon signed off on JPMorgan Chase's most recent 10-Q statement to the SEC on November 1, but admitted just a month later that the company's internal controls had problems that needed to be fixed. This is smoking gun evidence of a violation of Sarbanes-Oxley, and the SEC has every right to arrest Dimon.

''While the criminals Laura Dimon mentioned in her PolicyMic article all committed heinous crimes like murder, rape, and kidnapping, there have been at least 5,000 suicides attributed to the financial crisis that Dimon manipulated and exacerbated through his position as CEO of Chase. Even Dzokhar Tsarnaev's role in the Boston Marathon bombing pales in comparison to Dimon's company throwing families out of their homes and driving many to commit suicide, simply for profit's sake. Jamie Dimon is a criminal of the very worst sort, without conscience or respect for his fellow human beings, and he belongs in a prison cell.''

I'm kind of hoping that your 1st link doesn't ALSO give me heartburn, lol and hrumph, when I watch it later ;-) Happy New Year to you and yours A4C & thanx for your excellent input. Occupy Solidarity !!

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

YES - Geithner & Dimon are crooks! Have you heard Of JPMorgan's fine for their part in The Madoff Scandal? Also fyi - http://www.nationofchange.org/retirement-theft-four-despicable-steps-1389019806 but be warned - it won't help your heartburn! Thank you for the great excerpts. Never Give Up Exposing The Venal Scum! Occupy Wall Street!

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Your link's speeches are garbled as if filtered through a speech disguiser. Here is a better link:News Anchor loses it for the best possible reason.

Check if your link was deliberately sabotaged.

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

Hmmm, still okay from this end.

More censorship happening that end, maybe?

Cue X-files muzak. Thanks Grapes.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Dylan Rattigan - I do believe !! My less than 1 gig of RAM old 'puter crashed tho' as I was trying to load that as I had too many pages and tabs open, so have to watch it later & get back to you 'B' but I'll take the oppty to wish you a 'HNY 4 2014' in your record breaking temps down under and I promise to revert later when I've watched your link and onyer mate, with this :

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

Yes, Happy New Year to you as well, Shadz.

I was up at four to walk the sands and watch the sunrise.

Saw some sights, I tell ya.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Sigh. I could do with some of that right now, whilst in the grip of a rather harsh period of wind and rain in my neck of the woods though across the water, they have got oodles of the white stuff (No! I don't mean 'Bolivian Marching Powder ;-). I'll watch that Rattigan clip now & as per the matter in hand & the subject of this forum-post, I append fyi :

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

We had a shocker of a heatwave yesterday (42C), followed by a nice breeze that picked up the smoke and soot from a massive blaze on an island just off the coast. Was hard to breathe there for a while. So don't be thinking it's all good here. Latest predictions are for another monsoon trough dropping right down to the roaring forties again, so all the eastern states might just get flooded for the third time in five years.

Can't believe we've still got locals saying that climate change is all BS.

That Jamie Dimon basically knows that white-collar crime goes all the way to the top these days. They've probably all got so much dirt on eachother, nobody is game to point the finger in any direction.

Revolution is truly our last remaining option.

Got this ridiculous situation in our home state, where people are being incarcerated in solitary confinement for "associating" with patch-wearing bikers. The other 1%.

Not sure if it's all about obfuscation, while the Tory gov gives our assetts away, and destroys the environment, or what.

Oh, happy dayz. :-)

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

''Extraction'' was Dylan Rattigan's key word in that video [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3BHujm3cpY ] imo and we all need to meditate on that word. Good video 'B' and thanx.

On a different note,not just Aussies but all of us should note the record breaking high temperatures you are having down there as well as the increased precipitation and storms we're all having in the Northern hemisphere at the very same time. There's more energy in the global climate system - which all occurs in the thin film of fluids we call 'The Atmosphere' and so when lake sediment and ice cores can show us previous temperature realities, then only cavalier fools or psychopaths will deny the present 'AGW'.

'Fools' 'cause they are ignorant or think it can't happen or affect them & 'psychopaths' - 'cause they get the science but just don't give a shit or worse ... 'cause they are happy for billions of the 99% to perish as They think that that means less OF us & more FOR Them ; Their 1% buddies & 0.01% overlords !!!

In the scheme of things, the attritional, reflexive and reactionary downvoting of your comments on the forum - irrespective of what you say, is almost as comical as it is quixotic, ho hum & 'happy daze' :-/

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

Yes, extraction. Interesting word.

The push to invade, sorry, "Liberate" Iraq was said by some to be to allow for a faster extraction of the loot from the biggest coffers on the planet; that being, the American economy. Not that the Pentagon hadn't already taken a hefty gouge in that department.

On a smaller scale, and despite the downturn in demand for our coking coal, our newly elected MP (and mining magnate) Clive Palmer's massive "China First" coal mine got the go-ahead, along with plans for 420 km of railway tracks, and a massive port facility in the formerly sleepy northern township of Bowen.

It's a good thing that the incoming Tory party basically rescinded our marine park's status, along with the World Heritage listing for the Great Barrier Reef, which seems doomed, if not by the coal ports, then because it sits atop vast oil reservoirs, and the Global Parasites are keen to sink wells.

Roopert Mudroch, of course, has the people rivetted on the unconstitutional introduction of the VLAD laws, whereby people are being incarcerated in solitary confinement for having a beer at the pub with their mates. Much to-do, even on facebook, re this outrage. Worse still, two serial rapists were allowed home for Christmas, and have since absconded, as you do.

Meanwhile, ala Milton Friedman, public assetts are being divvied up left right and centre, and sold off to anyone BUT a local Aussie company. Even our "free" health system seems doomed under these "mandated" jack-booted ones.

Happy daze indeed. And they think a little down-voting concerns me? Chuckles.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

@'B', GR8 Comment ! Welcome to The Global 'Neoliberal Randian' Playground !! Resistance Is Fertile !!!

And I assure you, I NEVER ''absconded'' from prison at Xmas .. mainly because I already felt thoroughly trapped by the crass, commercial, consumerist claptrap n' crap :-) & I'm pretty bloody glad that it's over.

pax ...

[-] -3 points by AlwaysIntoSomething (42) 8 years ago

Dylan Ratigan, great show. That rant went viral in a heartbeat, because it resonated with the people. He had a great show, but obviously NBC had to cancel it because it got too much into the truth.

Here he is shredding Wasserman's claim that Obamacare was going to radically shake up the insurance companies:


I did a post a while back that showed detailed analysis of the four main- soon to be only two- insurance companies in the land, and how their stocks were reacting to the news of learning the fascists were now guaranteeing them customers.

Didnt look like hard times to me. But hey, what do I know?

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23620) 8 years ago

With regard to healthcare, I see his point, but I would argue that healthcare should be not-for-profit, single-payer and universal. Without those three components it will never be efficient enough to be affordable for all Americans. Profit has no business in healthcare.

I just googled to see what he is doing these days. From wikipedia: "Since leaving as host of his MSNBC talk show, Ratigan has become involved with hydroponic farming." Interesting.

[-] -1 points by AlwaysIntoSomething (42) 8 years ago

Ive wanted to figure out how communities could do on their own for a long time, the main parts that cause the problems are figuring how many hours the doctors and nurses worked (to determine what a fair overhead cost would be for salary) and the cost of the constant upgrades to the equipment. Also, supplies, etc.

[-] -1 points by AlwaysIntoSomething (42) 8 years ago

Ratigan was a good show. Supply and demand functions off of elasticity, so its hard to see how injury or sickness applies to that, being that if you are sick you are going to the doctors regardless, pretty much as someone's mercy, like a drug addict willing to pay anything to get high.

And with the cost of the medical devices used these days, and the constant upgrade, there would have to be some community involvement eventually if the price is going to be kept affordable for everyone.

Most on the left want to do this through taxation and government, which always seems to be a cop out. If we are serious about fixing stuff, its going to take a lot of work. Otherwise, we hand the responsibilities to the idiot politicians, they fuck it up, and then another batch is brought in and fucks it up more, and creates more positions to study the fuck up, etc etc etc.

I mean, honestly, what would it take of an area to come up with a plan for universal? At some level Im not against the concepts of government and taxing paychecks to redistribute, but it always is done too far away.

Even people who clamor about states rights, the states are too big. Rochester, where Im from, gets fucked royally every year by NYC. Its simply not fair, its just too damn much land for a small body to manage.

Just a few of my thoughts.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23620) 8 years ago

No one, absolutely no one, should become rich off of other people's ill health. In my mind, not-for-profit (eliminates the profit factor and the enrichment of stockholders while good salaries can still be paid), single-payer (streamlines the whole thing, more efficient), and universal (all are in, sick and healthy, young and old) makes the most sense.

And, you have a great idea there, that communities can do this themselves. This is the thing, we have to take back our rights on our own. Imagine if communities all over did this? Soon all Americans would have healthcare.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

as people require money to pay rent and eat

money is necessary to get them to work on a project like universal healthcare

money provides a means to exchange services

control of Money is mostly held by a few "employers" and the government

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

lot of money is gas

[-] -1 points by Spartacus14 (102) from Boulder, CO 8 years ago

"88% of Congress on Gas Indusrty Payroll"!!! So that would mean that quite a few of the Congressmen that are accepting bribes would have to be Democrats. Hmmm?

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

All of Congress are on the take.

There's no clear delineation between the major parties, despite what the shills in this place maintain.

[-] -2 points by Spartacus14 (102) from Boulder, CO 8 years ago

For any person who has awoken, the only "clear delineation" and conclusion I can see them come to is, one party pretends to be our savior, while the other party makes no bones about it... they are out to screw us.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

And despite having other options, the public are convinced that voting outside the duopoly is a wasted vote.

Interesting how effective market manipulation can be.

The largest consumer base in history, and this is what comes of it.

Corruption of the highest order.

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

There is no duopoly, B. But just out of curiosity, let me check what Matt Taibi, Chris Hedges, Max Keiser, Greg Palast, Robert Reich, Paul Craig Roberts and Zeese and Flowers (from Truthout) have to say.

Damn, B, what a bunch of clueless idiots. They all think there is one.

[-] 0 points by Spartacus14 (102) from Boulder, CO 8 years ago

I knew it was sarcasm, as I have also read or watched those people, and have followed your postings. I just had no place to repy to shooz so I reliplied to you and boscosmom instead.

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

I was curious as to why you didn't Google any of those names to find out whether they did or not.

I let it slide when people deny it because either they don't really understand it (they think it means "both parties are the same") or they still have too much faith in the system.

[-] -1 points by Spartacus14 (102) from Boulder, CO 8 years ago

Replying here. No I didn't Google any of those names, so you could have thrown me a curve-ball with a couple of them that I did not know of, but considering the company they were in, and from reading your comments, I figured that you weren't trying to trick me. ;-)

Here's how I see it though; The politicians in both parties have a role to play (Edit: Good cop vs bad cop basically) that ensures them continued power, prestige, and even personal wealth as evidenced by all the millionaires in both political parties. They are all beneficiareis of the same benefactor, the corrupt system that puts corporate and banking interests far ahead of the people's interests.

The goal of both parties is the same, and that is to keep us divided and distracted on divisive social issues that have little or nothing to do with keeping a roof over your head, food on your loved one's table or being able to send your kid to university... amongst other things.

Then there are the economic issues that are played out between these two well-bribed parties. Here for the most part, the debates are faux as they do not pertain to the real issues, hence the possible real solutions. Instead they pander to a neoliberal agenda that benefits the corrupt eilite and no matter who wins the outcome usually is very detrimental to the people.

That's how I see it. How else could you explain the 99%'s near 40 year slide?

[-] -1 points by Spartacus14 (102) from Boulder, CO 8 years ago

"There is no duopoly" ?!? My ass there isn't! All those people that you listed must be "clueless idiots" like you said. lol Does this mean we must listen to Obama and Boehner for the truth, even though both are proven liars?

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

It was sarcasm, which is why I chose the people I did in that list. They all mention it at times. Builder knew it was sarcasm, but then, he knows me a little better than you.

[+] -4 points by boscosmom (-12) 8 years ago

Amen. The more filling/tastes great division is meant to split us down the middle. They have divvied up the social/economic issues to keep us split 50/50. We must be 50/50 for it to work. If one side had a vast majority they might have to act like they care about us peons and do the things they promise to do on the campaign trail. Instead the 50/50 results in "compromises" that are worse than kissing your own sister.

BUT, it keeps us all in the game, blaming the "other" side for the lack of progress

[-] 0 points by Spartacus14 (102) from Boulder, CO 8 years ago

Obama's Betrayal Of The Left Spells Problems For The Democratic Party


[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 9 years ago
[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

If it's not a conspiracy then it is an 'INSIDE JOB' !!! Thanx 'SJP' for that excellent Bill Moyers link !!

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 9 years ago

My pleasure and back at ya :) The first step is to admit we have and identify the problem. I think that's where we're at now. The much harder step is to collectively decide what to do about it because unfortunately, it won't fix itself.


[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

"America's Duopoly of Money in Politics and Manipulation of Public Opinion", by Charles Ferguson (Director/Producer of 'INSIDE JOB') :

"Behind the divisiveness lies a deeper bipartisan consensus in which donors own democracy and there are no votes in reform"!

Especially relevant after the Biden / Ryan show where The Bastard Banksters and 'The Bailout' just were NOT mentioned !!

Re. 'ID The Problem', Buckminster Fuller said :"A problem adequately stated is a problem well on its way to being solved" !!!

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 4 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 9 years ago

I'm liking this guy Charles Ferguson more everyday. In short he's saying both sides are bought and beholding to their donors. Ain't that the truth? I think in the recent past, we actually had elections that were manipulated to get their guy in office. I feel that they've graduated from that, and found it more effective and safer to legally just buy both sides.

Welcome to America's new and improved two-party system. ;(

I just finished the book "Greedy Bastards" by Dylan Ratigan. He claims that Representative John Yarmuth of Kentucky described to him that money in politics is like a suicide bomber vest that every politician must wear.If any one politician tries to remove the money vest, he or she blows up. The only way to remove money from politics safely is if every politician is 'forced' to remove their money vest at the same time.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

Dennis Kucinich jumps to mind as an exception to the rule & thanx for your thoughtful comment. Further, I append :

pax ...

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

That really is such a great video clip. Thank you.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

Cool & to tie in with "Inside Job" and Dennis Kucinich, please see :

It is 75 seconds of pure, powerful truth and I highly recommend it.

fiat justitia ...

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Oh man, that IS powerful! Thank you.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Dennis Kucinich spoke truth to power like no one else in Congress, which is why they conspired to get him out no doubt. Also ''If the government bails you out, then you aren’t too big to fail, you just have some really big thugs who have your back in the case of an all-out robbery. This has been the case with big banks from the US to Great Britain, and from Cypress to China. People the world over have been stolen from. Now, banks are getting more overt in their practice of pilfering. Recently, HSBC customers have been prevented from withdrawing their own money from accounts because they could not provide ‘evidence of why they needed it.’ Are banks really too big to fail or just too big for their britches?'' from - http://www.nationofchange.org/hsbc-new-york-based-bank-imposes-restrictions-cash-withdrawals-uk-1391094428 . Never Give Up! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

HSBC = ''Heroin Shipping Banking Corporation'' !!! That is less a joke and more an approximation of the truth - historically from back in the days of The Opium Wars AND far more recently !! No kidding ! + fyi :

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

LOL at 'Heroin Shipping Banking Corp' :) & from your link - 'If North Dakota can bypass Wall Street with its own bank and declare its financial independence, so can the City of Los Angeles. And so can the County. And so can the State of California.' Good Luck to Ellen Brown as she runs for office in California and in compliment - http://www.nationofchange.org/wall-street-sounds-silence-president-1391526946

Greed and the love of money is indeed the root of all evil! Never Give Up Exposing The Venal 1%! Occupy The Agenda! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

''Here are some of the words and phrases that did not appear in President Obama’s speech : “Wall Street” ; “bank” ; “regulation” ; “fraud” ; “settlement” ; “investigation” ; “too big to fail” and “Glass-Steagall.” He didn’t mention the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, or the Dodd/Frank financial reform bill. He didn’t discuss the cynical attempts to roll back financial reform in Congress – attempts that are supported by members of both parties – much less insist that those attempts be defeated.

''Although the president discussed the economic plight of the majority of Americans, he made no mention of the financial industry’s central role in the devastating 2008 financial crisis, which made that plight so much worse. He talked of wage stagnation, but did not explore the financial industry’s role in the increasingly unjust economic redistribution of recent decades. Inequality doesn’t just happen. It’s produced by many forces, most of which either originate on Wall Street or are heavily influenced by it.

''We can’t create a newer, fairer economy without talking about Wall Street. Building that economy begins with preventive measures. The last bank-fueled crisis robbed the nation of millions of jobs and trillions in wealth. Preventing the next crisis means stronger financial regulation, a breakup of the big banks, and rock-solid walls between customers’ money and bankers’ gambling funds.'' - Taken from your excellent 'NoC' piece by the ever excellent Richard Eskow & in compliment with some possible good news :

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Bankers Are The Scum Of The Earth! I appreciated your excerpts and links. Good luck to the Irish people and their pursuit of some modicum of justice. It's embarrassingly more than America or Britain have managed. Also fyi: http://www.nationofchange.org/mobsters-wall-street-1392224146 Never Give Up Exposing The Scum Bankers! Occupy The Real Economy! Solidarity.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Ellen Brown says - 'Funding infrastructure through bonds doubles the price or worse. Costs can be cut in half by funding through the state’s own bank.' from -


'Consider the Possibilities - The potential of this public banking model for other states is huge. California’s population is more than 50 times that of North Dakota. California has over $200 billion stashed in a variety of funds identified in its 2012 Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR), including $58 billion managed by the Treasurer in a Pooled Money Investment Account earning a meager 0.264% annually. California also has over $400 billion in its pension funds (CalPERS and CalSTRS).'

'This money is earmarked for specific purposes and cannot be spent on the state budget, but it can be invested. A portion could be invested as equity in a state-owned bank, and a larger portion could be deposited in the bank as interest-bearing certificates of deposit. This huge capital and deposit base could then be leveraged by the bank into credit, something all banks do. Since the state would own the bank, the interest would return to the state. Infrastructure could be had interest-free, knocking 50% or more off the sticker price.'

'By doing its own financing in-house, the state can massively expand its infrastructure without imposing massive debts on future generations. The Golden State can display the innovation and prosperity that makes it worthy of the name once again.'

Never Give Up Exposing The Banking Cartel! Occupy The Options! Solidarity.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

''Confronting Financialization on Steroids'' by Paul Jay & Costas Lapavitas, Prof. Econ, SOAS, University of London :

''... We need regulation in finance, but we need public institutions of finance, we need public intervention, we need public mechanisms, and we need publicly owned financial institutions to be put in place that would actually have a public mandate and that would begin to think of themselves and of what they do in the economy not like the private financiers do, which is let's make a quick buck and let's get out of it before the sky caves in, but think of themselves as public institutions that are there to provide the financial means that the real economy needs to put itself on a different footing.''

The above appended in compliment to your excellent Ellen Brown, 'NoC' article.

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

'Financialization on Steroids' sums it up very well. Thanks for that excellent link and excerpt and also by Ellen Brown, see -

http://www.nationofchange.org/california-s-top-two-primary-eliminates-third-party-rivals-1402489041 &

http://www.nationofchange.org/10-corporate-tax-dodgers-you-should-know-about-1402586573 from Bill Moyers. Yes, 'the root of all evil is love of money' & greed is strangling human society and The Planet.

Finally - http://www.nationofchange.org/looming-us-fiat-currency-collapse-repeat-history-finance-wars-bankrupt-people-1402586266

Never Give Up Resisting The Tyranny Of Money & Money Lenders! Occupy Public Banking! Solidarity.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

''That's the funny thing about Wall Street mobsters (or as I like to call them: Banksters) is that they make a killing by defrauding millions of homeowners, customers, investors and taxpayers — then, when caught, they wonder why we don't love them. That's "funny" as in "bizarre," not as in "ha-ha." from your link : http://www.nationofchange.org/mobsters-wall-street-1392224146 further to which, I'll also append :

''Hundreds of millions live in debt even in “affluent” countries like the United States. They face health care debts, credit card debts, college tuition debts, and so on. Many, probably most who own homes— and don’t live in shacks or under bridges or in old vans— are still straddled with mortgages. This means their net family wealth is negative, minus-zero. They have no propertied wealth; they live in debt.''

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Take Back The Economy! 'The Robin Hood tax, a small tax of less than ½ of 1% on Wall Street transactions can generate hundreds of billions of dollars each year in the US alone. It is an idea whose impact can be felt globally as well.' from - http://www.nationofchange.org/robin-hood-tax-take-back-our-economy-1393344562 Thank you for the revealing Parenti piece about income distribution. Never Give Up Exposing The Dark Underbelly Of Capitalism! Occupy The Issues! Solidarity.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

The ''Robin Hood -'Tobin' Tax'' on all financial transactions is an absolute no brainer considering the The 99% have to pay the highly regressive 'Purchase / Sales / Value Added' Taxes !!! The Greedy Bankster Criminal Mthrfkrs are simply out of control !! Serious sanction with extreme prejudice - extra judicially if need be, is in order because of the psychopathic larceny enabled by all the utterly unconscionable - Conflicts Of Interest ; Moral Hazard ; Perverse Incentives & Regulalatory Capture' ! + FYI :

Thanx for the excellent 'NoC' link by 'AcronymTV'. Solidarity.

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

'A Financial Transaction Tax is not an idea whose time has come, but simply returned. From 1914 to 1966, our country taxed all sales and transfers of stock. The tax was doubled in the last year of Herbert Hoover's presidency to help us recover from the Great Depression. Today, 40 countries have FTT's, including the seven with the fastest-growing stock exchanges in the world. Seven members of the European Union voted for an FTT (including France and Germany) to help blunt rising poverty, restore services and put people back to work.'

'This is no soak-the-rich idea. Rather than asking the Wall Street crowd to join us in paying a 6- to 12-percent sales tax, the major FTT proposal gaining support in the U.S. calls for a 0.5 percent assessment on stock transactions. That's 50 cents on a $100 stock buy, versus the $8.25 I would pay for a $100 bicycle.

'Even at this miniscule rate, the huge volume of high-speed trades means an FTT would net about $300-350 billion a year for our public treasury. Plus, it's a very progressive tax. Half of our country's stock is owned by the 1 percenters, and only a small number of them are in the HFT game.'

'Ordinary folks who have small stakes in the markets, including those in mutual and pension funds, are called buy-and-hold investors — they only do trades every few months or years, not daily or hourly or even by the second, and they'll not be harmed. Rather, it's the computerized churners of frothy speculation who will pony up the bulk of revenue from such a transaction tax.'

From - http://www.nationofchange.org/financial-transaction-tax-high-frequency-traders-1394023208

Many thanks for your excellent comment and links. Everyone with any OWS sympathies should listen to that half hour Chomsky video and in compliment to steam-coming-out-of-ears link by Paul Buchheit, see - http://www.nationofchange.org/seven-numbers-add-death-tax-retirement-1393861517 .

Never Give Up Exposing 1% Venality! Occupy Wall Street & All Streets! Solidarity.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Re. the 'Financial Transaction Tax' & 'High Frequency Trading' , thanx for your great excerpt and 'NoC' link from Jim Hightower. I really can't recommend it enough to any and all readers and also thoroughly recommend on this and other related matters, the following highly insightful article :

''In a nearly $13 billion settlement with the US Justice Department in November 2013, JPMorganChase admitted that it, along with every other large US bank, had engaged in mortgage fraud as a routine business practice, sowing the seeds of the mortgage meltdown. JPMorgan and other megabanks have now been caught in over a dozen major frauds, including LIBOR-rigging and bid-rigging; yet no prominent banker has gone to jail. Meanwhile, nearly a quarter of all mortgages nationally remain underwater (meaning the balance owed exceeds the current value of the home), sapping homeowners’ budgets, the housing market and the economy. Since the banks, the courts and the federal government have failed to give adequate relief to homeowners, some cities are taking matters into their own hands.

''Investors can afford high-powered attorneys to bring investor class actions, but underwater and defaulting homeowners usually cannot; and that is where local government comes in. Eminent domain is a way to bring banks and investors to the bargaining table.

''Wall Street banks are deemed “too big to fail” only because there is no viable alternative – but there could be. Local governments could form their own publicly-owned banks, on the model of the state-owned Bank of North Dakota. They could then put their revenues, their savings, and their newly-acquired real estate into those public utilities, to be used to generate interest-free credit for the local government (since it would own the bank) and low-cost credit for the local community. For more on this promising option, which has been or is being explored in almost half the state legislatures in the US, see here :

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

'First the oligarchs came for our economy, and we said nothing. Then they came for our government, and again, we said nothing. Now, they’ve come for science, and we’re not saying a word. Thanks to Republican-backed austerity measures, our nation’s scientific infrastructure has been hit with devastating budget cuts.' from - http://www.nationofchange.org/billionaires-first-they-came-economy-1395233856

Thank you for the very good links above and Good Luck to Ellen Brown in California and also see - http://www.nationofchange.org/corporate-land-oz-1394717578 .

'Love of money is indeed the root of all evil' & Never Give Up Exposing The Greedy Who Have No Heed For The Needy! Occupy Compassion! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

"Inside Job" is a cognitive distortion and the film does not provide feasible explanation. Meaning most Americans reject it an the social scene that accepts it.

There is another short video in two parts at http://algoxy.com that actually explains the demo. There is a link at the bottom of that page, then options about the wtc on 9-11.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

For more 'cognitive distortion' but some true facts, please see - http://www.nationofchange.org/viral-video-shows-extent-us-wealth-inequality-1366729910 . Thank you for your link which was both interesting and confusing at the same time :) Never Give Up! Go Occupy! Solidarity.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

What did you think of the video?


I was impressed that it was all based in actual evidence and had detail on the structure that was consistent with the evidence. The pulverization and dust explanation give me the creeps they are so feasible.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

I'm not at all sure that this is the place for that rather disturbing video so I'll reply with one of my own - http://www.nationofchange.org/julian-assange-did-google-meet-me-report-back-us-state-department-about-wikileaks-1369927168 . Re-Occupy-Wall-Street - http://occupywallst.org/forum/reoccupy-2013/ Never Give Up On The 99%! Solidarity.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

Yea, built to demo is really disturbing.



[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'Inside Job' makes for great holiday viewing, lol! Merry Christmas brothers and sisters and Sincere Good Wishes and Solidarity for 2013 @ OWS & ALL here on this important forum! Never Give Up! Go Occupy!

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Excellent Doc! Wonderful that you are spreading it around!

"Heist," I hear, is good, too. But after the unexpected success of Inside Job, it seems to be having "distribution" problems.

"Shock Doctrine" is not just a Warwick Prize for Writing winning book, the Documentary is great, too. http://www.sundanceselects.com/films/the-shock-doctrine ; http://vimeo.com/14847387 ; http://www.documentarystream.com/the-shock-doctrine-the-rise-of-disaster-capitalism/ (This is the strategy of the Class War)

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

I've seen 'Shock Doctrine' and its happening here now too! Thankyou for your comment and great links.

[-] 4 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

You are absolutely right! It is happening here now!! It's the strategy of the 1% Class War on the oblivious 99%! WTFU People!

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'No Logo' by Naomi Klein is also very good - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmmnknt4mCg

'No Logo' is based on the book by Canadian journalist and activist Naomi Klein and reveals the reasons behind the backlash against the increasing economic and cultural reach of multinational corporations.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Sounds like Confessions of an Economic Hitman! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=808526880666247652

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

John Perkins "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" Extended Interview 2008, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqIHKWd9rSc .

Thank you for the heads up and the link is posted here as yours seems to have been closed down. I saw John Perkins interviewed by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! a few years ago and he has lots to say that is very eye opening.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Thanx AND encourage a fickle and petulant newbie near you to VOTE!!!!

[-] 0 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Reading you loud and clear. I've roped in most of my relatives and some friends to eat at my house on election day - but only if they have voted! I'm not under any illusions that voting Dems will really change anything any time soon but I wake up from sleep in a cold sweat at the totally nightmare scenario of a 'President Romney'. I feel sick just typing it!

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

I hear YOU brother!!!

We do what we can.

But just doing something, is better than... (well voting for a 3rd or pouting is asinine, but you know what I mean).

No more Cons!

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

We have been 'conned' for long enough! We need more 'peoples politicians' like Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich. Our democracy is a sham and a sick joke. Like millions of other Americans I love this country but the rulers are not patriotic and they use our patriotism against us. I'm sick of it. This is why OWS is so important. We must nurture this seed and live in hope of a better tomorrow.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Nurture the fucking Vote, the campaign is over!!

OWS is/was campaign/advertisement to incite change, BY VOTING!!!

Democracy is only a sham when we don't Vote, and BIG$ does!!!

We the People need to out vote Big$!!

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Voting is all that we've got & we use it or lose it! I do wish we could break the Rep/Dem stranglehold though but that is in the future, hopefully! Democracy? Where? One day before I snuff out I hope to see it!

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

They have us, mostly, Buffaloed!

Let's turn the tables on THEM!

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Let's stampede 'THEM' off a cliff for a change! We have been pushed around for long enough. We must vote and THEN get active. Voting is just the bare minimum we can do and more activity and activism is needed if we are not to take a half step forward and then five steps backwards!

[-] 3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Vote the right people in to get the job done.

Otherwise we go backwards, like we did in 2010!

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'Inside Job, Behind The Heist': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A - Excellent background & follow up documentary which was very recently brought to my attention, so I am this sharing here too.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Here's another great source:


[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'G.W.Bush has a New Lie-Bury' - http://republicandirtytricks.com/george-w-bush-has-a-new-lie-bury/#more-2540 was a rather funny find from your link and as 'eight in ten Americans oppose the Supreme Court ruling, which allows unlimited corporate spending on U.S. elections. Delaware is the latest state to demand that Congress step in and overturn it.' from this very interesting & revealing link http://www.nationofchange.org/delaware-15th-state-seek-overrule-citizens-united-1371047446 .

Never Give Up Exposing The Corporotcracy ! Occupy Democracy! Solidarity.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Just started watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A It looks very good so far. If it finishes as well as it has started - it could well deserve a post of it's own and be forwarded out - shared - circulated. Thx.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

I honestly believe that for anyone on this forum, this is really very important viewing so thank you very much for helping to circulate this 50 minute film.

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Make it a post of it's own.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

I have just edited and added the link to the end of my original post.

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

I have at this point in time only one real problem with the presentation = in the ending it talks about consequences of a failed system and says you end up with anarchy - I Must Disagree and state that what you end up with is CHAOS

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Very good point and my favorite bit from the end was: 'Apathy is not the solution. Let's take a better interest in our politics, by supporting and electing those who have demonstrated ethical and responsible behaviour and have tried to do something about our deceitful financial sector and their cronies'.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

BTW - I tweeted the link to the presentation - with an accompanying question = How many people can own one individual share of stock ( the same share of stock ) and be credited with 100% of it's value at the same time?

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

I will have to think about that very important question and its implications. Thank you.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 9 years ago

Great Idea. This Film Names Names. That is what I remember.

You make a great point about Memory in the US. Maybe we would be better with a computer chip to augment our Brains. This Film "Inside Job" by Charles Ferguson shows copywrite 2010. Awards shown on the cover are 1) Cannes Film Festival 2) Telluride Film Festival 3) Toronto Film Festival 4) New york Film Festival.

In 1-2 Years time we have forgotten the Film.

The Crisis began in 2007, Last I saw the Federal Budget still has Budget Lines for 2 Federal Treasury Bail Out Programs: TARP & HERP (Housing Economic Recovery Program) for $24 Billion Dollars and for $29 Billion Dollars in 2011.

Film States that $20 Trillion Dollars was Lost in the Cisis

Wikipedia states $14 trillion was lost in Household Wealth

$3.6 Trillion Lost Total from Retirement & Pension Funds, 2.3 Trillion Dollars was lost forever from US Retirement Funds, and $1.3 Trillion Lost from Pension Funds (Wikipedia)

US Savings and Investments Lost $1.2 Trillion Dollars

**US Economy Spent $5 Trillion in Equity extracted from mortgages from 2001-7 - This represents part of the SPENDING that has been fueling the US Economy up to the 2008 Crisis (add that to huge Federal Budget Spending after 911 by the Bush Admin)

2009 IMF Stated $11.9 Trillion was spent by governments to buy up Toxic Assets and Inject Capital (UK Telegraph 8 Aug 2009)

Better Markets Calc GDP Loss from 2008 to 2018 will be $7.6 trillion (LA Times).

Home Equity Lost was about $4 Trillion (may have recovered some of this Wikipedia source of data)

Federal Reserve Loans Total between $7.7 Trillion and $16 trillion


[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Thank-you for your great comment with all that information. I shall look at those links now and try to get back to you.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Why Occupy Wall Street? Because we, The 99% are at the receiving end of an 'Inside Job' and your links above show how and why. Also see -




Thanks for all your links on this thread. Never Give Up! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 9 years ago

Thanks. I don't think I had seen that website before. It has an endorsement by Noam Chomsky, so that is pretty good.

Here is the full Democracy Now Interview of 45 Minutes show, 11 January 2013, with Matt Taibbi and William K. Black. In the end they jump on Tim Geithner as the architech of the Bailouts:

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Matt Taibbi & William Black are right in the forefront of exposing Wall Street's corrupt, greedy, predatory practices and I shall watch your link in full later this evening. Thank you for this and all your many great links and pointers on this thread. A final link on the really very related matter of Jack Lew replacing Tim Geithner - http://www.nationofchange.org/inconvenient-truth-about-jack-lew-1358006473 Never Give Up! Occupy Wall Street - because what is the option? More Of The Same?! Solidarity.

[-] 5 points by Middleaged (5140) 9 years ago

Wow, 15 minutes into the Democracy Now video they are talking about Jack Lew being a force behind bank deregulation under President Clinton. President Obama is still protecting the worst capitalist and giving sanction to them. Sanctuary to the Enemy. Sounds like a Rambo movie...

How do we deprive the Enemy of Sanctuary??? Get rid of two party system. Maybe I should add that to my 28th Amendment.

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

To think Obama and Clinton are somehow 'Independent' of Wall Street would really be a massive delusion. However, sadly there are people on this forum who seem to think this. America has been taken over by what Jefferson, Adams and others called 'The Money Trust'. We Must Never Give Up!

[-] 4 points by Middleaged (5140) 9 years ago

Did you know that the first government reform programs and social reform programs were recorded on cuniform tablets back in Sumer (Shumer or Shinar) like 5000 years ago? See Samuel N. Kramer, 1956, The Tablets of Sumer (book) according to the book I have by Zacharia Sitchin, The 12th Planet. Sumer had the first education system, first medical system like ours, first laws, first historians, first jobs, first money, first banking, first precious metals production and metalurgy, first use of petroleum products for burning & sealing, first greedy elite trying to gouge and monopolize the poorer people, etc.

So for Obama to say oh it is just a small misunderstanding of all the things that banks do for us. People don't know the economic role that banks and corporations play. Well hey, President Obama, it has only been 5000 years or maybe 4000 at least since governments have been falling into corruptions and social reforms were needed. Perhaps that is why we have a constitution and separation of powers and ... why congress is required to declare war to prevent a president who was a constititional lawyer from making drone strikes, and creating kill list.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Very interesting history. Thank you for your excellent comment and also for fyi - http://www.nationofchange.org/economy - Never Give Up Occupying! Solidarity :)

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 9 years ago

the banks were all in deregulation together

Best way past the 2 party system would be to elect to house representatives state wide

take the top X winnings were X equals the representatives assigned to the state

[-] 0 points by Coyote88 (-24) 9 years ago

And replace it with?

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 9 years ago

20 minutes into the video democracy now, Bill Black ties Jack Lew to the Recesson in Europe on his long list of dramatic Jack Lew destruction in our world. Wow.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Bill Black & Matt Taibbi Rock! Thanks for your commentary and links and I'm away to my chores and duties now but I'll be watching the whole 45 minute video later on. Never Give Up! Go Occupy! Solidarity.

[-] 4 points by GypsyKing (8708) 9 years ago

Yeah, the brain has a way of blocking out this kind of pain! LOL!

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 9 years ago

Yes, it is a huge problem. This problem must be delt with in a systemic manner. We are doomed otherwise. That is why I suggested Public Law, Referendums be passed to put ethics goals and objectives into corporate Long range Strategic Planning.




And of course my Amendment to get money out of Politics, Freedom Of information,

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 9 years ago

Hey, heard the director, Kristin Canty, of Farmageddon on late night radio. It is a documentary about small farms getting the shaft from police and federal agents through raids and felony charges. It sounds like there is some really great stuff in the Documentary Film. But she seems to have researched more about dairy, raw milk, cow sharing, food clubs, pigs, and even goat milk and cheese.

https://www.youtube.com/movie?v=yMGElM5Umw8&feature=mv_sr (Trailer Farmageddon)

Seems clear to me that with 40% of the milk in the US controlled by one corporation and their being a kind of milk surplus ... the corportions are just making it hard for the small famers. Oh and Stacy Mitchell on TED talk said retail food stores are also mostly owned by only a few chains... and she went into a a little about big pharmacy actually dring up prices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6rAgHcuYtE (Why We Can't Shop Our Way to a Better Economy: Stacy Mitchell at TEDxDirigo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i262Pw3UCcI (Kristin Canty Interview 34 minutes on Health Ranger )

[-] 2 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 9 years ago

Don't know if the links in these documentaries are still good or not, but these are also excellent in case you haven't seen them (this list is from an old archive I had so you may have to search out the correct links if some of these are no good anymore).


Documentaries everyone should see

"The Shock Doctrine"


"Inside Job"


"The Corporation"


"American Autumn"


"The Power of Nightmares:The Rise of the Politics of Fear"


"War Made Easy: How Presidents & Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death"


"Why We Fight"


"Sprawling from Grace"


[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 9 years ago

Excellent List!

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

Great Documentary List 'Ud', to which I tack : http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/category/economics/ .

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 9 years ago

Sweet, thanks for sharing!


[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 9 years ago

I thought cocaine went out with the 80's but it's not surprizing there's a lot of substance abuse on Wall Street.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Cocaine never went out, it's still flooding the country & drug cash is all over the banking system! What will happen when Wall St. starts ripping off big time drug gangsters? I'm glad that I don't do river dredging any more!

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 9 years ago

Well, I just finished watching it. There's obviously a culture of crime at some of these private universities like Harvard, Columbia and Brown.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Academic snobs & enablers should also be in the dock. They make out that they know so much but they are corrupt, greedy pigs with their snouts in the trough too. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 9 years ago

Inside Job was awesome.

Matt Damon narration makes it all the better.

"My boy's wicked smaht"


[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

"The Warning" : http://video.pbs.org/video/1302794657/ .This is really a very important documentary to accompany 'Inside Job' and it sets the scene by telling the story of Brooksly Born and her attempts to highlight the problems that led to The 2008 Financial Collapse.

fiat lux ...

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Re-Hire Brooksly and give HER the authority She needed the 1st time.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

If Brooksly Born will come back to the cesspit that'd be quite a surprise. Further, do note that this entire thread ie every single comment, just got voted down. This is not so much anything personal against any or all the posters but rather someone who doesn't like questions about 'Banksters and Banksterism' and is happy to shill for them. Interesting.

e tenebris, lux ...

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

trashy likes to downvote - even though he can't collapse comments any more. And there are other shills who still act the same way as trashy.

Looks like the comments are getting some up votes as well.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 9 years ago

I put them back to where they were

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

OK - U can do that? - or U just mean a single twinkle each case.

[-] 6 points by Renneye (3874) 9 years ago


[+] -4 points by JackTG (-194) 9 years ago

Why are you worried about the votes so much. There are more important things to do, like tweet letters to the president.

[+] -7 points by JackTG (-194) 9 years ago

Dude, I don't vote anymore since it's absolutely useless. You might want to check your friend VQkag2, he creates sock-puppets then goes around using them to manipulate votes. You know, you did that with him once.

Don't you have something better to do then to go around this forum insulting other users without any evidence. Go tweet a letter to the president or something.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

ESABATM - trashy.

[+] -7 points by JackTG (-194) 9 years ago

Eat sushi and bang a Taiwanese mom? Sorry, dude, I don't mix cultures like that.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Talk 2 The Hand trashy - U should be real familiar with that - even if it is or isn't someone Else's hand.

[+] -6 points by JackTG (-194) 9 years ago

Sorry, I will not let you fondle me. You'll have to try that with those young teenage girls you learn your SMS style writing from.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Dream on shit head.

[-] -1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 9 years ago

I'm half way through. I'll watch the rest tonight.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

Excellent and timely post !!! In fact it's always 'timely' for 'Inside Job' !! It absolutely encapsulates OWS' whole reason for being and the final section where the colluding academic economists are exposed as the greedy charlatans that they are, is particularly powerful ! Thanx for posting and disseminating this.

fiat lux ...

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 9 years ago

Great links, and for those curious about the Mayan calender thing, here's the best explanation I've found, so far.


[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 9 years ago

Good Call. Nice one.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

W0W !!! That's amazing, lol !! There's quickening to a reckoning as things spiral and as the Good Earth turns but I've got an 'exotic cigarette' on the go here at the moment, so am in no fit state to fully absorb the humour but thanx for the lulz 'B' & onyer mate but no 'cat-turd coffee' for me thanx ~{;-)

pax vobis. ...

[-] -2 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 9 years ago

The most important message to take away is that if you voted for Obama, you f'd up. If you voted for anyone, you f'd up. Moral: stop f'ing voting.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

How about voting but with write-ins or with 'None Of The Above'? I do get your point but it's often the only chance the average citizen gets to use his voice. Neither Democrat of Republican represent The 99% is the deep truth of our times so I do get your point very well. How about a 'Universal Healthcare Party'? - http://www.nationofchange.org/america-s-health-care-divide-1375277969 . That could get more than a little attention, right? Never Give Up Struggling For The Well Being Of The 99%! Occupy Solidarity!

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 9 years ago

I'll go to prison before voting for any existing or new party in this system. It doesn't have to be this way. We can be more democratic without voting for any party by implementing a different system: Departmental Governance.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

Voting in 'modern democracies' in general and the US in particular, has now been negated into a near meaningless exercise because of the absence of any real choice and the capture of the main political parties by corporate interests and bankers. Democracy as it exists today does not serve The 99%. See http://www.salon.com/2013/07/29/banks_poised_to_reclaim_crown_as_biggest_u_s_industry/ So Never Ever Give Up Exposing Banker Occupation! Occupy Democracy And Solidarity.

[-] 4 points by LeoYo (5909) 9 years ago


People will have to find common ground to ensure that the issues truly important to them will be politically supported.

Trans-Partisan Cooperative Voting http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-cooperative-union/

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 9 years ago

'We Can't Survive on $7.25' - http://www.nationofchange.org/we-can-t-survive-725-1375451902 - and we need to take a leaf out Chicago's New Era Windows' book - http://www.theworkingworld.org/us/ and we maybe even need to form venture capitalist co-ops! Thank you for your very useful links and the inspiring comment. Never Give Up Looking For Alternatives For The 99%! Occupy All Our Futures! Solidarity and also see - http://www.nationofchange.org/cheap-labor-nobody-s-right-1374858691 ResistanceOrSlavery?

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

In this follow-up to Inside job http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A The crime that was perpetrated is shown to be quite simple in nature and very easy to understand.


How many people can own one individual share of stock ( the same share of stock ) and be credited with 100% of it's value at the same time?