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Forum Post: Guns Guns Guns

Posted 8 years ago on Nov. 11, 2013, 7:44 a.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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I received a phone call last night, inviting me to a talk hosted by Gun Sense Vermont. I posted my reply on their facebook page:

No, I'm not going to the event at Contois Auditorium this evening. While I do NOT oppose sensible gun legislation, I DO most vigorously object to using each and every single incident of mass murder that occurs in this nation as justification for legislation that will not produce meaningful change.

Because of our War On Drugs, children have access to both the Black Market as well as large sums of cash. Enforcing or radically changing our drug laws is the only solution to drug related violence that takes place in dispute over individual sales or sales territory.

The issue of mass murder is another matter, where the solution again is not gun legislation. And if I hear Scott Pelley blame the mentally ill one more time . . . Using a very simple process of surveillance, harassment and stalking, I could turn YOU into a homicidal maniac. Gun legislation without addressing this process will simply result in attacks using other implements like KNIVES or ACID . . .

Mass Murder by Knife, China, 2010-2012

Mass Murder by Knife, Osaka, Japan, June 8, 2001

Mass Attack by Acid, 30 injured, Hong Kong




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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago




[-] -2 points by nazihunter (215) 8 years ago

Such a topic is one for logic. It is one that suggests how we look at emotional issues with cold, cruel, logic. If historical data is the basis of that cold, cruel logic, then I'm afraid it doesn't look good for guns. I say that having no steak in the game whatsoever. However, I agree that legislating gun control has reached the point of stupidity. For instance, mental illness record checks? Are you serious? How many murderers were in treatment for mental illness before they committed their crimes? Case closed. There are more mental cases out there who consider themselves normal than there are mental cases. Say what you want. It's proved in the news everyday. I don't need links on China. The U.S. leads the league in murders over any other nation by about 8000X. Ya dig? The only thing I can say about knives and acid is we'll have to put it to the test, won't we?

[-] -2 points by Narley (272) 8 years ago

Finally, A sensible view of the "gun" issue. I am a gun owner, several guns actually. It's a hobby. I agree using the mental health gambit concerning gun violence is a false flag. I doubt anyone actually believes we will be able to identify mentally unstable people that shouldn't be able to own a gun. Basically we're are responsible gun owners, until the moment we're not.

By the same token, gun registration, magazine capacity limits and background checks will not affect gun violence. People who use guns to rob and kill will ignore any new restrictions. Any new laws restricting gun ownership by law abiding citizens will have no bearing on gun crime.

I don't know the answer. But in the foreseeable future there is no chance of implementing new gun laws. Currently the trend is toward less restrictive gun laws rather than more restrictive (New York, California excepted).

[-] 0 points by nazihunter (215) 8 years ago

Well, I think parents need to raise responsible and conscientious kids. They don't seem to receive that well do they?


[-] -2 points by Narley (272) 8 years ago

I will also keep my guns, thank you.

[-] -3 points by RadBrad (12) 8 years ago

Great post, millions have been killed by machete in Africa.