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Forum Post: Gas prices are down, bad news for the planet, and a bit about tax cuts.

Posted 6 years ago on Dec. 8, 2014, 4:17 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ
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Just saw a report about lower gas prices on CNN the joy in their faces was jarring and why did they compare low gas prices to a tax cut? It is as if in their world Santa Claus brings tax cuts. No mention of what it might mean for electric vehicle sales. I could turn to MSNBC and it gets a little better but not much, they are talking about Ferguson of course FOX is what it is, i look at the OWS site and most of what I see is how awful the Dems are it is little wonder we get the government we do, at least it gives us a lot to bitch about if nothing else.

Reflecting on this I realized that in their world Santa Claus does bring tax cuts, they don't see cuts to services only the military, so that don't get cut, and they do pay most the tax because they got most the money, but still they don't see that as fair they want to see income disparity to be unlimited but the amount one pays to the government should be leveled out, but don't you dare try to level out the influence or amount of money each person can use to elect people, see it is really simple, rich people want all the money and they don't want to pay for more than they have to, sounds a lot like poor people to me, folks are folks. I think we should write rule that reflect that fact.



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[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

I will need to read this post fully.

But just off the bat.

Lower gas prices - are not necessarily bad (worse) for the environment.

Not any worse than the higher gas prices - and perhaps a little better for the environment - in the short term (anyway) - as the lowered prices makes fracking that much more expensive as it also makes Arctic drilling also more (prohibitively?) expensive to undertake - as profits have dropped all across the board for USA production.

People will not be driving more (not a whole lot more anyway) due to the modest drop in cost at the pumps - as - peoples income is still low and the drop in price will make traveling to and from work and for necessary errands just a bit more affordable.

The gr8est boon will be to small business as the drop in prices will make them a bit more stable.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

DK you couldn't be more wrong people will slow down the move to electric cars and that is the only sustainable path, but as was fictionally and accurately pointed out on Newsroom it hardly matters now, maybe if Nader had been able to find that difference we might of had a shot but not now not really.

check this out, I remember when this happen read it on Google it never made any news broadcast I know of


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

[ EDIT ] lol - is Kirk Cameron in that one? But hey - seriously - we are not far off (though it would never be announced on tv) from a runaway chain-reaction type of situation. We will see that very real thing happen when the methane gets released from what used to be year round frozen ground = permafrost no-more.

But - will lower gas prices stall the shift away from fossil fuel? (IMO) No - the public is becoming more aware that fossil fuel pollution needs to end ASAP.

EDIT-> By the way it is not enough - just - to protest against fossil fuel global warming/climate change.


Viable alternatives have to be presented to the public - so the public can demand the shift off of toxic technology to the use of clean technologies - like:

On - Waging Peace - Health & Prosperity through "clean" power technology.


Waging Peace NOT War

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

I bought myself an electric bike because commuting 10 miles was too far for a pedal only model after a 11 hour day, I love it and I encourage others to, if they can, the higher gas prices along with the rapid rise cause a huge resurgence in electric vehicles. The problem that as Americans said no to unions the bosses said no to the pay raise and jobs don't pay enough now it's not that gas is too high wages are too low.

The Dems lost the congress in 1994 because Al Gore thought $.05 per gallon would affect use if you want me to I can explain the path but it is fairly clear. In any case use and cost have long been tied together its just that no one is allowed to be unhappy about cheap gas it is the little lies we tell each other that keep us weak.

PS I follow this climate thing kind of close the dude on Newsroom was dead on in everything he said.....

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 6 years ago

power in the form of energy will be granted for our use

is power what we seek?

it will always be a finite amount

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

The Universe is finite as well - But - all the same - does that not promise a gr8 deal of time prior to it's being gone?

Consider = Thorium is not at all rare.

Thorium minerals occur on all continents.[6][49][50] Thorium is several times more abundant in Earth's crust than all isotopes of uranium combined and thorium-232 is several hundred times more abundant than uranium-235.[48]


Thorium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

If you are curious about future energy sources, I think we have that answer, the all knowing marketplace has decreed that solar is the future, I could go into the technical reasons like the fact that we now have cells more efficient than was theoretically possible a few years ago, but the proof is in how hard the monied interest are moving against solar across the nation.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 6 years ago

Fracking has its own costs...doesn't it. Like water that can catch on fire which you can't drink and will kill you slowly. But it will go up in price...it is marketing....same as when walmart goes in and starts low then increases when every other business goes out.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

I guess you all are in the duck and cover mode......

[-] 4 points by elf3 (4203) 6 years ago

How can we deal with this ...it isn't possible to live in this system seeing it for what it is and fake enjoying our culture. I pretty much hate a lot of people ...I hate this hollow culture American companies have pushed onto us. I hate that so many people enjoy it or at least seem to. I hate pretending I'm not pissed.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

Well if it's a personal dilmia you're asking about, let me start by saying the ego is the enemy I could recommend some authors, the Dalai Lama comes to mind, the problem with seeing 'behind the curtain" so to speak is you can't unsee it life becomes more difficult the more you understand not less so.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 6 years ago

I don't want to unsee it...but I don't want to live in it either. There is a conflict because the system is the only system. It is domineering and controlling. If you don't own a plot of land in the woods...you are really stuck. I feel stuck. The only way around it appears to be to navigate through it....through our overpriced education system lending from a Bank...working in a consumerist job, contributing to the system I hate. Definite paradox.

Please "Be Mindful" describing the ego in these terms...zen philosophy is being adopted by marketers to train you to accept the horrid system they are creating. Mindfulness language has made it into the corporate lexicon...but the practices have not. And don't even talk to me if you made your money on wallstreet putting people out of work in some corporate world and you've now found peace living of the fats of eating the working class. They are out there being all mindful now...sorry just making sure.

Can one practice acceptance and still wage a revolution? ( not being Ghandi or the Dalai Lama...they are masters of their lifelong training)

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

as is so often the case you think what you "want" is the key parameter, never-the-less, this is not the place for such questions or discussion I overstep already, people often know the next right thing for themselves even if they find it inconvenient

I shouldn't but I will share this, I spent some time in a few dojos there they speak of using the attacker weight and strength against them take the current system we find ourselves somewhat trapped in, it teeters on a careful balance between two legs if one were knocked down the whole system would fall this is why I want the GOP to lose every election no matter how inconvenienced I may be

you see this whole house of cards almost fell down in the fall of 2011 but the Greens and duopoly idiots moved in and saved the GOP from the 70% that supported OWS from finding out they live only to make the rich richer, if America had realized that then the whole damn thing would have fell

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

Many people have stopped pretending to not be pissed-off. National protests (hands up don't shoot) are a testament that people have stopped pretending that they are not pissed-off. The more authorities state that they are investigating (while taking absolutely no action at all to address) - the more they piss-off the population - and the more demonstrations we will see arise - too bad that when the protests are pushed into violence by their (TPTB) oppression - that instead of communities being burnt down - that government centers including police precinct houses and courthouses - should be the ones getting burnt down.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago
[-] 5 points by elf3 (4203) 6 years ago

I kind of lost my shit as I was walking through consumer elite shopping " market"...built to accommodate a wealthy town as a new " open market concept"...whatever : it houses the Gap and the more expensive mall stores like Brookes Brothers. ( it is an outdoor mall) Every car in the lot was a Lexus or Mercedes...and all these rich people were from the rich town they built it in. I ended up there on a whim dragged by someone. I was instantly uncomfortable and by the time I circled back to leave I was yelling...I'm a shy quiet introvert. Like I was yelling it was " gluttony at it's finest" and " a shallow consumer wasteland". Something took over. I wasn't even partaking but apparently can't even be around it. The atmosphere was obnoxious. Ergh all these housewives in their uniform boots. I may need to be hypnotized so I can function. Cops were kind of eyeballing me and the people looked at me like I'm not stable. I'm not the one spending $200.00 on a designer candle...phhht. I really want to go back and protest. There weren't any salvation army bell ringers....on a side note...this place is well guarded. Like a fucking country club.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

Happy Honda Dayyyys - Happy Honda Dayyyys - While Donation Bells Keep Ringing - Happy Honda Dayyyys Toooo Youuuuu

I Hate the Hollerdays more and more each year.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 6 years ago

The holidays means more work for some ...at the same pay...mush mush!

Vote with your dollars!


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

Black Friday spending = down 11% over last year.

Protests up.

Those who still have money to vote with (frivolous consumption) - should vote (abstain from buying the latest and gr8est - because for 1 what they already have works just fine) for a non-disposable society.

[-] 4 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 6 years ago

If only the entire 11% hit were taken by Wal-Mart, Amazon, and Apple.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

Agree - and it would be nice to see an overall shift of 11% or more per year (growth) over to Credit Unions for banking needs.

5% growth used to be a good achievement for a business to make - so an 11% drop in business - has got to be really bad.

If the drop in business was not caused by conscious choice of the consumer - but instead - caused by lack of money by the consumer - then some geniuses need to rethink their on-going campaign to reduce workers wages and export work - as this is another dismal year for retailers and next year ain't gonna be any better.

And the government touting how happy they are to see the creation of all of the minimum wage jobs - just goes to show how stupid/insane they are.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

It sickens me beyond words - especially as they will probably get what they want = their customers money/deposits forfeited to pay for their poor practices as well as their criminal practices - and no-doubt will still get bailed out by the government (public money again).

If anyone still needs a reason to move their banking needs to a local credit union - I just can't imagine what that might be.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 6 years ago

Big banks will likely still expect the victims to pay there bills. FEMA camp debtor prisons for the people, and paradise for the bankers.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

No Doubt - because - HEY - we should not have been dumb enough to let em have access to our money in the 1st place - so - they are totally blameless - stupid us/consumers - sheesh!

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 6 years ago

Like the choke hold thing.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

"THAT" should have the whole country out in the streets protesting. There was no ambiguity - it was all on video and we all saw that video - and choke holds have been barred from use due to the fact that they easily kill - and here is this asshole cop who jumps on this non-violent citizen - "for a minor" infraction of reselling loose cigarettes. JUST WTF ??????

But - HEY - it was a criminal action (reselling cigarettes) and the criminal should have known better - that he put his own life at risk by breaking "a" law - DUMMY - ya gotta be filthy rich to just shirk the law so brazenly. So no harm no foul for the killer cop - he was just doin the job - SHEESH.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 6 years ago

A friend of mine's girlfriend showed me the new bag she got over the weekend. I told her she could have pretty much bought the same thing for .25cents at the end of the grocery store checkout and helped the environment in the process lol.

Needless to say that went over swell haha.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 6 years ago

Don't get me wrong I can appreciate nice things and quality...but this stuff with the corporate logo all over it is nothing but overpriced sweatshop swag. A bag is a bag to carry stuff not a status symbol. If someone is carrying a Coach bag to define themselves...I think it is very sad and I feel they are carrying something much heavier than that bag around. It speaks to their psychology for sure. If you want something well made buy from an artisan who practices sustainability. Hey girls I'm not carrying one not just because I'm too broke but because...I think they are ugly and overpriced...thanks but please stop trying to donate this stuff to me when you want the newest release. I have a knit bag...I love it...it is washable and can get wet. Noone is going to rip it off the back of my chair to resale it on the black market. Plus...if my bag speaks to who I am ....I rather like what this one says. Corporate purse suppliers ( yes suppliers) are laughing all the way to the bank on the fact that they have fooled women into spending their hard earned pay on this stuff...and in supporting their practices, contributing to the downslide and stagflation of all our jobs.


Don't even talk to me about Ugg boots...but you look like a bunch of lemmings walking around in them ...especially when you wear them in a group all walking around in the same outfit and boots - it is really weird. And if this defines you is it says you want to be just like everyone else...and drown your individuality ( how do those cold wet socks feel btw) cause these are not made for slush or snow.

Per wiki: By contrast, outside Australia and New Zealand, UGG is a brand manufactured by the California-based Deckers Outdoor Corporation, with the majority of its manufacturing occurring in China

Vote with your dollars!