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Forum Post: Ferguson: Quit Crying and Vote! LET IT RAIN!!

Posted 5 years ago on Aug. 19, 2014, 10:28 p.m. EST by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR
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The Coming Race War Won’t Be About Race

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar @kaj33 

Aug. 17, 2014

Ferguson is not just about systemic racism — it's about class warfare and how America's poor are held back, says Kareem Abdul-Jabbar


It's class war, and we're still losing. Let's quit crying and fight back. Get 'em registered and get out the Vote!

Terrible tragedies: the senseless murder of young, black, Michael Brown, and another devastating assault on justice for the common American. Get 'em registered and get out the Vote!

Now let's work on the coming Congressional Election (only 2 months away) so we can do something about this. Get 'em registered and get out the Vote!

Not by electing a "Better Bunch of Bums" and perpetuating the false both-same or equally-culpable memes of apathy and inevitable futility. Not by reconsidering a shameless opportunistic Randian sociopath just because his latest scam to lure votes involves "scrambling up" political conventions, when all he's doing is muddying up the water so newbies can't see him clearly. Get 'em registered and get out the Vote!

We need to replace 1%-Cons with Democratic Platform Dems. And it wouldn't hurt to get all the LW heroes (Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Dennis Kucinich, et al) to make a list of good DEMs to counter the both-same, equally-culpable memes that won't go away in the minds of the vast unsophisticated electorate who have neither the time nor the tools to do it themselves. Reckless memes have unintended consequences. Compare Con & Dem '12 platforms & see the clear differences for yourself: http://www.democrats.org/democratic-national-platform . Get 'em registered and get out the Vote!

2010 Never EVER Again! Get 'em registered and get out the Vote!



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[-] 3 points by elf3 (4138) 5 years ago

The corporate news played a part in electing people who are beneficial to their causes...and yes they never report on their funding because if you really begin to disect it both parties take their fill and line their pockets. What you don't realize is corporations were responsible for picking that candidate and getting them in front of the public to start with that goes for both parties...all in all it doesn't matter what they preach because once they are elected...k street indoctrinates them to the ways of washington even if they were representing you they quickly learn to put their own needs first...the problem is we now have a corporate government who picks the runners, lines their coffers, and continues to fill the troughs...in turn they are put on boards and courts that really hold power to regulate or deregulate the markets and create laws..in the case of the president and to directly make them in the case of congress...they not only hold huge shares of stock in these companies many are promised future positions as well as funding. We need not only public election funding, we need to cut the financial hold they have over our public servants because they have stopped serving the citizenry and we are all being treated like consumer cogs, and service sector numbers...the government is acting like a corporation aand treating us like employees. In the corporate world employees aren't assets they are always seen as liabilities that need to be controlled and subdued. If companies spent half as much time investing in employees instead of waging war on them we wouldn't have an economic problem in sight. The government has reversed its role with the public they have no business acting like our boss...it is we who employ them and right now we need to start firing them...until we attack the purse strings of corporate influence we will never gain back control. Because they will always sell out..the very nature of someone who has worked their way through the corporate election system lets us know from the start they won't be serving us. Unfortunately people like you still believe the charade...the key is getting you to see that. If enough people did we could get an indie candidates into office to possibly begin a dent ...so when the public tries to get bills that break down corporate power...we have someone to get them on a ballot and give us a chance to decide what is best for mainstreet. Politicians love to spout what is best for mainstreet even as they stuff themselves full of wallstreet bribes. It is truly disgusting. At some points I think rioting in the streets is the only way to go after the corporate influence monster...however a dangerous thing has happened and they have started bringing cops pay well above mainstreet. They are being payed to serve wealthy elites so they won't share our common cause. Bailout riots then have them showing up in their wallstreet armor. Btw voting for someone with the same skin color as oneself is not going to solve this problem.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

double line space

for paragraphs

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4138) 5 years ago

If u tell me how to close the notifications box blcking my sceen I will pay more attention to grammar...it is driving me crazy!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Click on the notifications - don't want to respond to them right away? - When you click on em - open them in another tab so you can go back to em later if you want. That is the only way right now to remove the notifications from your screen. Maybe you want to formulate a better notification and send off the suggestion to jart.

[+] -4 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 5 years ago

Please, don't be disingenuous. You know as well as anybody here that jart no longer updates the code on this site. Unfortunately, she abandoned this places ages ago.

Her latest commit was sept 26th 2012 to be exact. That's almost 2 years ago. https://github.com/jart/occupywallst

I find it impolite when you go around telling people to ask jart this or ask jart that when you know she is no longer involved. She wants to keep control of this site, but she doesn't want to improve it for the community.

Welcome to jartocracy!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Please don't be a dick. This is still jarts forum and currently while she refrains from commenting - She is the only moderator at this point in time.

[+] -4 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 5 years ago

Yes, I agree, but don't make it seem like she will support or update this forum. As far as she is concerned, the forum and OWS are dead.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

If so why would she bother to moderate? Me think-est I smell a thrashingmask.

[-] -3 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 5 years ago

She doesn't spend much time moderating.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

How would you know? You wouldn't know. But this conversation has nothing to do with this post - so I will not respond to your distractions any further. Get on topic or stop commenting.

[+] -4 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 5 years ago

I do know. But, that's another story. In any case, there isn't much left to moderate after the Twinkle Team banned almost all the users here.

Get on topic or stop commenting.

Says an ex-mod with no power except the power to fall on his knees and beg his master jart.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

One last reply = thrash thrash thrash away thrashingmasks. Perhaps some day you will be able to thrash your way out of a wet paper bag - but I doubt it.

[+] -4 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 5 years ago

You never wanted a democracy, you were always following every whim from jart whether positive or negative, like some kind of pet dog that follows everywhere wagging its tale. What you want is a jartocracy.

[+] -4 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 5 years ago

It was sad to see you beg to jart the other day. I felt like I was watching a slave and his master.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

I just ignore it

it is annoying

[-] 3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

All because we have the Lowest Voter Turnout and the Greatest Corporate Influence in the democratic world.

We can change it if we try. Get 'em registered and get out the Vote!

2010 Never EVER Again! Unite and Win!

[-] 0 points by elf3 (4138) 5 years ago

Yep go elect pepsi or coke ...tastes the same to me. It's all the same color too...green

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

Pop, not the best approach.

Try analysis, platforms, track records and actions.

Yes, we have 1%-Cons and 1%-MSM tilting the table for 1%.

That doesn't mean that 99% have to embrace Idiocracy.

It means we have to get registered and Vote!

Because, 2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Have you EVER said a single word of criticism about .. the MASSIVE shortcomings of the Democratic Party or their Corporate Co-option, Corruption & Con-Troll ?!!! Have Dems - prevented or enabled Crony-Crapitalism ?!! Remember 'Glass-Steagall & NAFTA thanx to Clinton or NDAA & TPP from Obummer ?!

How fkn dare u minimise and patronise the Ferguson Uprising ?! Politically, it is far, far more significant than your 'Mid Term Mania' !! Your hallowed POTUS fkt up because he's Wall Street's man & u r a Dem Shill of the highest order but please do not stop posting here - now that snooz, Zion-Dog, bensmom and GF have bitten the dust .. u r needed here to remind us WTF OWS is really all about !!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

Tokyo Rose, Have you EVER advocated a process to make viable and elect third party (PURE & PERFECT) candidates? NO!!!!

All you ever do is give False Flag objections and genuflections against Dems and compromises.

Show us the success of any uncompromising 3rd!

Show us your Unicorn!

Go Koch Suck, bitch!!

People, understand, our low Voter turnout is the source of all our problems.

Get 'em Registered, and get out the VOTE!!!

2010 Never EVER Again!!!!!!!!!

[-] -1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

You ''ended up with a brown-faced Clinton. Another opportunist. Another neoliberal opportunist.'' - thinks Dr. Cornel West .. but all you can do is shill for Hitlary & The DNC because you're a political drone who refuses to see the Corporate Capture, Control & Corruption of The DNC. You really need to extend your political horizons for The 99% past just the next election cycle - never mind just November. Meanwhile :

''I just give you that as an example in terms of arbitrary police power because in Ferguson we’re talking about arbitrary police power, and this particular instance of it has been going on for a long time. The Obama administration has been silent. Completely silent. All of a sudden now, you get this uprising and what is the response? Well, as we know, you send out a statement on the death of brother Robin Williams before you sent out a statement on brother Michael Brown. The family asked for an autopsy at the Federal level, they hold back, so they [the family] have to go and get their own autopsy, and then the federal government finally responds. [Obama] sends Eric, Eric’s on the way out. Eric Holder’s going to be gone by December.''

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

Please, instead of using this horrible tragedy as an excuse for the useless distraction of partisan flame wars, maybe you can add those energize to all your good efforts.

Real reform of Policing is NOW possible if we focus our energize on building a movement, not partaking on partisan distractions.

You're the best!!! Always great info.


[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

''Real reform of Policing is NOW possible if we focus our energize on building a movement'' - yes, I can strongly agree but I think that you'll find that WendySmith is the partisan hack here & I never duck that shit because - you are right ... I AM a ''partisan'' .. FOR THE 99% !!

Ferguson is less a ''tragedy'' than a WTFU call !! Help to make sure that Mike Brown did not die in vain !

fiat justitia ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

Excellent info, as always. Important, valuable, actionable.

Well done.

(the hateful, sexist personal attack on our fellow forum contributor only minimizes that message, and reminds all why your original login was banned)

Staying focused on positive interactions is difficult, but it is it's own reward as well.


[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Fuk Off VQuack & how many times were you banned &/or dunce-capped ?!!! I seem to recall an undue, graceless haste from you to blame me for my own capricious banning before when snooz and his 'Dog' were outed and excised !! My clear 'focus' is exactly where it should be ... on The 99% ; on the 0.01% Parasite Class and on their 1% lackey DNC stooges too & read Smith's replies for 'hateful and sexist' !

temet nosce ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

Never banned, Dunce cap just a joke between Jart. & I. Never blamed anyone for the recent banning, but obviously YOU were banned.

And you were banned because of the same intolerant, partisan distraction trolling that you continue to feed.

Just asking you to use that negative (& harmful to our cause!) energy for all your good efforts, which are frequently among the best on the forum.

Why all the anger.?

"....anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering.." etc, etc, I think fear is in their too.

Peace & Love. Angry, (self defined) partisan, bloke

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

So just how many log-in monikers did you have again & - what happened to them all ?!

Your self-serving piffle and bunkum is what it is !! Pure hypocrisy, deceit and conceit !!!

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

I thought my name was lost on song meanings

but that blog just rearranged to the bottom of the post


[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

Sign the petition & .........


..keep the personal insults to yourself, They only betray the vacancy of your position. It illustrates weakness.

Be smarter, Be strong. Act! Don't hate.! Don't attack! Vote!


[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

I use one 'moniker'. This one. Old computers, lost passwords have created the need to change but, this is just more of your distractions.

Not partisan flame war distraction, but rather the other tried & true distraction of politics of personal destruction.

Who cares how many logins I've had to use.? Not relevant to the Ferguson/police reform topic.

We agree on the post topic, you just can't interact without partisan flame war distractions.

Please get a grip. You know the 'banning' is never far away.

[-] 0 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Yawwwn & run along now screeching ''partisan'' at all you don't like or can't reply to & finally - go read :

Who said what to who & when is there for all to see here, so go & try to re-read this short thread & fyi

vale ...

[-] -2 points by engineer4 (331) 5 years ago

Hello VQ. Your fingerprints are identifiable even from a distance. And I see you brought back all your friends. Funny how an election is coming and you show up and completely take over with your shilling for the democraps. Your exposed and you know it....time to confess.

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

Never left. Haven't told anyone to vote for anyone or any party.

Only you & your friends mention parties.

Are you a Builder?

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

Voting is critical for small towns like Ferguson to take control of policing.


Your partisan Obama bash is meaningless on that issue.

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

It would be a ''partisan Obama bash'' - IF it came from the p-o-v of a Repugnant voting right-winger but it does not, does it ?! Furthermore, you do know this already, right ?!! So - ''Have you EVER said a single word of criticism about .. the MASSIVE shortcomings of the Democratic Party'' ... either ?!!! From ...

Re-read this thread now. You chose to get involved by coming to Smith's defence. You are the ''partisan'' squabbler and natural born bickerer here, yet you see fit to offer me goading, provocative and unsolicited 'advice'. Your apparently unconditional and near carte blanch support for your hallowed POTUS, is noted - once again. I had you down as more 'Dennis Kucinich' than 'Hitlary Clinton' - but now I'm rather unsure.

Consider that every single time you use the word ''partisan'', you'll only reveal yourself to be exactly that.

gnothi seauton ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

But increasing the anemic 10% turnout in Freguson WILL help the people of Ferguson get better police service right?

When have I stated I support Potus or the Dem party? I haven't.

That's just you creating a false argument (strawman?) cause you are unable to honestly debate my actual position.

So after you're done with your meaningless partisan bashing (designed to distract from the substantive debate), I stand ready to discuss the occupy supported issues that we are fighting to improve.


[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

The first sentence has value & I concur & have attached a supporting link accordingly, so again :

Your attitude and behaviour was my point of contention. You're far too clever to explicitly support Obomber's many unconscionable anti-99% actions here - but it is abundantly clear to all, in your 'implicit support'. The argument is not false and I have never ducked debating you - despite much agreement on numerous matters over these few years.

You used the word ''partisan'' again, so we know what that means & here's where the problem is :

ad iudicium ...

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

Y'know the President cannot be re elected right.? The gratuitous, meaningless partisan bashing does little to address the issue of Ferguson (small town) oppressive policing.

We must pressure all pols to end the militarization of police, implement fair sentencing, better education/job training for the poor. prison/police reform.

So many issues & you focus on the distraction of political attacks.

Do you wanna discuss gov action/inaction on these issues?

contribute some substance. I WILL address it.

But your good contributions are stained when you use childish name calling (Obomber?). How does that move the discussion forward?

I know it's fun, but not very useful.

[-] -1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Oblah-blah is now shilling for Hitlary - AND his next job from the 0.01% Parasite Class & probably aspires to joining them like Tony 'Bastard' BLiar !!! Stop digging a hole for yourself !! I have and will continue to post about Ferguson ... but it is you, who took this exchange to where it is right now !

multum in parvo ...


EDIT : Utterly predictably & dishonourably, VQuack/99nP deleted his own comment below but I had already had cause to copy it elsewhere to him in response to his mendacities so am able to copy it :


[-] 2 points by 99nproud (1920) 1 hour ago

I say Impeach the President!!!

Let's agree to push that effort.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink


I copied the deleted comment below here ..


[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Re. Obummer, isn't that what right-wing-nuts want too lol ?!!! There may be grounds for it - but we both know that it isn't going to happen, ffs !! Only ''push'' for the 99% - that's the ONLY ''effort'' that matters !

fiat lux ...

[-] -2 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

Will your desire to impeaching the President help the people of Ferguson?

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Will your desire to never criticise Dems .. ''help the people of Ferguson'' ?!

New Grass Roots Localised Pro-Labor & 99% Parties need to get going !!

Then form a National Movement & ask Dennis Kucinich to lead - maybe !!!

minima maxima sunt ...

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

I have much criticism for ALL pols against the progressive solutions that occupy supports.

Dems of course.

Will you be satisfied if I criticize Dems & the President.?

Is that your only goal?

Isn't calling for the impeachment of the President enough?

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

You're a natural born bickerer, aren't you ?! Don't you see just how your questions show EXACTLY that Captain Squabble ?!! I have limited time, patience or energy for your self-referential tedium - so have the last word here now possibly ... but do try to chillTF out !

vale ...

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

I only take issue with your engagement in the meaningless distraction of partisan attacks.

And only to the extent that I ASK you to redirect that energy to your good efforts.

Impeach the President!!! PLEASE!!!!


[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

YOU raised ''Impeach the President'' !!! Now you look to argue with yourself !!

So whether 'strawman' or schizophrenia .. do calm down and get it together !

verum ex absurdo ...

[+] -5 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

I'm calm. get back to you soon. Still stackin the forum with REAL issues.


[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Fair enough. You keep doing just that & we'll co-tolerate & get along just fine & dandy maybe & fyi ...

pax ...

[-] -1 points by flip (7101) 5 years ago

you did not address this to me but i would like to answer - yes if you call for the impeachment of the president for war crimes or not upholding the constitution that would be enough for me. i would like an enumeration of the crimes for which you think he should be impeached

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

I'll leave that to you. War crimes? ok.

Let's do it. Start a post.

Satiate the need.

I dare you

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 5 years ago

you are kidding right? i assume you are implying that his admin is not guilty of war crimes but that simply is too hard to believe - even for you. maybe i misunderstood - won't be the first time! i will gladly take the challenge but i would like you to promise that you will have a rational discussion not the usual - "you love the gop" silliness. that would mean that i present evidence and you counter it - with facts! are you capable of that type of discourse?

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

I haven't accused you of "loving the GOP".

Do you get that a lot?

In regards to your suggested war crimes legal action, I said 'OK'.

What do you object to? You wanna 'present evidence'? Who's stopping you?

Start a post!!!

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

"All power to the positive" ORadio


Listen to occupy radio

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

We are aware of the injustice, it's awful, it's repetitive, it's disgusting, it's racist, it's bigotry, among many other fucked up things. This is important, because most of the time we are not aware, it doesn't make the news.

NOW, let's do something about it! Do we as Citizens have the problem that OWS had/has, not doing anything, neutering itself, rendering itself impotent??? NO, that Problem is not OURS!!!

Let's get people registered and let's get out the VOTE!!!

Voting is what we can and should do!!

If You don't Vote, YOU don't count!!

VOTE out conservative, 1%, RepubliCons!!

VOTE in liberal, progressive Democrats!!


[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

Well said. 10% voter turnout in Ferguson illustrates the problem & indicates then solution.


All should take note of who is against voter registration, & who is for it.

Each can decide for themselves the right course of action. The facts speak for themselves.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

Stop crying and Strike!

"Workers from Missouri will strike alongside their colleagues in New York. This is what Jeanina Jenkins, a McDonald’s worker from Ferguson had to say about #StrikeFastFood:

“I’m willing to do whatever it takes because I’m barely surviving on the $7.97 an hour I make at McDonald’s in Ferguson, Missouri.

After everything that’s happened here in my community during the last month, I know that if I don’t stand up and fight for what I believe in, for what’s right, that nobody else will and nothing will ever change.”

Jeanina Jenkins

McDonald’s, Ferguson, MO

Will you join Jeanina and hundreds of workers as they demand a living wage and the right to organize? Click here to join us.

We believe that we will win but only with your help.

In solidarity,

Jonathan Westin

Fast Food Forward

P.S.: Follow all of the nationwide action on strike day at www.strikefastfood.org and #StrikeFastFood."

[-] -2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

Let's fight the war against the 99% and Vote!

[-] -3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

Get out the VOTE!!

RaiN baby RAIN!!


[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Right, because clearly EW being a former Republican, and Kucinich getting bounced by his own party, and Sanders refusing to be labeled a Democrat...

Thanks for the mindless dribble.

[-] 4 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

GET OUT the Vote people, these trolls are real!!

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

US intelligence -the ones that brought us

bait and switch weapons of mass destruction to Iraq War

have confirmed the authenticity of the beheading