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Forum Post: Economic Recovery For Whom?

Posted 9 years ago on Oct. 29, 2012, 12:25 p.m. EST by EconomyInCrisis (4)
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[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Yes - exactly - trickle down economics and aid does not work - not for lifting those on the bottom of the economic system - not even for those in the middle of the economic system. Trickle down evaporates back up into the stratus-sphere - it does not reach the ground - it does not even get close to reaching the ground.

People wake-up: http://economyincrisis.org/content/economic-recovery-for-whom

[-] 2 points by bullfrogma (448) 9 years ago


Why are we still pulling haplessly at the socks of government, when they continue to make such bad decisions at a time when such bad things are happening?

Why not install absolute democracy at least for now? A few emergency voting sessions and we could have corporate agenda trumped by common sense.

Have the issues not been made clear enough?

Help me understand why any of us expect these people in power to suddenly do the right thing for something more than money. Right now our collective desire is much wiser.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

That is why I am trying to see if direct democracy can work - it should not matter who is in office - IF - the people are the ones in charge. So I am supporting the campaign for MOVE To AMEND. This one issue if forced through the government - state by state then federal - by the people could be the key to changing the whole game.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 9 years ago

Yobstreet helped me to understand something about democracy and the danger of ignorance in insatiable mass. That the majority will always want more addictively and the grass is always greener. But i just don't see this actually being a problem the way it can be made out to be.

I think that people would watch out for each other, including the abuse of democracy, and that our understanding of life and the universe is growing. For real democracy to be useful it has to undergo debates and scrutiny of its own. It would not be trigger happy.

Think about it this way. For us to initiate change with democracy, we would undergo that debate and scrutiny and voting. If things are so bad to seriously instigate the majority of us to be so unlazy about something, there is probably a pretty good, undefeatable reason.

Democracy could help education and education would help democracy. But i think most importantly, if the boss doesn't have a boss, they don't need to have responsibility either.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Yes - Education #1 priority - dissemination of all the facts to the public = essential, Follow-up discussions addressing needed changes/oversight, one subject at a time for clarity, majority vote, periodic review for a set time period to monitor how it is functioning ( peoples legislation ).

BTW - um . . . how to say this ....hmmm . . . OH - yob is a knob.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 9 years ago

Maybe he is. Yob shared his beliefs and there was some good math in that which i hadn't known. I think that we all have our fair share of conception and that resistence to unknowing. Life is growing.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Open-mindedness is growing.

If you mean an upsurge of individuals seeking truth/knowledge for themselves instead of just taking what is dished out to them - then yes open mindedness is growing somewhat.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 9 years ago

Not just taking what is dished out, but this whole animal ego wanting to dominate our minds.

I have a friend right now who's entirely selfish. He's utterly racist and i've realized it's because his brain is heavily wired to hate anything that isn't himself. A loud noise that he doesn't control will send him into mad anxiety, but a loud noise made by himself is awesome. He's also on medication.

But i think there's an epic process at work between our becoming conscious and from something animal. That nature does things very slowly and we have to experience this huge transition.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Sounds like a metabolic issue - vitamin/mineral imbalance(?) - birth defect(?) - organic/inorganic substance intolerance/allergy(?) - possibly brought into being by some sort of pollutant/pollution(?) or food additive(?) or artificial sweetener(?) Mercury poisoning from fossil fuel(?) or some other heavy metal poisoning from fossil fuel? This is not a healthy society/world.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 9 years ago

I heard a great quote recently, something like, "It is no great measure of health to relate well in a profoundly sick society."

I think he was born that way, though he eats the most toxic foods on the market, which couldn't be helping how he feels. Like that story about the lion with a thorn.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

It does not likely help his situation - to eat junk food. But what'cha gonna do? The Pfeifer institute could check out his metabolic functioning - but that is expensive - generally not covered by ins.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 8 years ago

US Retail Stores Plan many closings and Layoffs

Just check out some of these store closing numbers for 2013. These numbers are from a recent Yahoo Finance article...

Best Buy Forecast store closings: 200 to 250

Kmart Forecast store closings 175 to 225,

Sears Forecast store closings 100 to 125

J.C. Penney Forecast store closings: 300 to 350

Office Depot Forecast store closings: 125 to 150

Barnes & Noble Forecast store closings: 190 to 240

Gamestop Forecast store closings: 500 to 600

OfficeMax Forecast store closings: 150 to 175

RadioShack Forecast store closings: 450 to 550

Blockbuster Forecast store closings 300


Mort Zuckerman pointed this out in a recent article in the Wall Street Journal...

"...The U.S. labor market, which peaked in November 2007 when there were 139,143,000 jobs, now encompasses only 132,705,000 workers, a drop of 6.4 million jobs from the peak. The only work that has increased is part-time, and that is because it allows employers to reduce costs through a diminished benefit package or none at all..."

[-] 1 points by Weaver (60) 9 years ago

Occupy the election. Vote for anybody but a Republican or Democrat. They are 2 sides of the same coin. The economics will not get better until we vote according to our values, not according to their values.