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Forum Post: Don't Waste Your Vote on Obama or Romney

Posted 8 years ago on Oct. 8, 2012, 12:30 a.m. EST by petergreen4 (3)
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There will be no difference in how the US is run whether Obama or Romney wins the election. Thus, a vote for either of these candidates is a wasted vote. Romney and Obama are both beholden to the fraction of the 1% that uses the American Empire for their personal gain and at the expense of the American people and people all over the world. Whether Obama or Romney win there will be more war, more Wall Street theft and more erosion of freedom and quality of life in America.

If you are part of that block of voters that the Democrats and Republicans think they own, why do you think they'd ever do anything to represent your interests? If your city always votes for the Blue candidate, the Blue party takes you for granted. If your state always votes for the Red candidate, the Red party takes you for granted. If you want to count, you have to stand up.

I encourage you not to waste your vote. Vote for a person with a conscience and who you believe would do the best job if elected.




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[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

The point of "Im mad as hell and Im not going to take it anymore" must be reached. We are not at that point yet. We are getting closer, but we are not there yet. This November election will be proof that we are moving in that direction, but still a ways off.

Luckily, people like GAry, Jill and Rocky are giving it their all to snap people out of their complacency. And yes I understand how our current system works, how they have rigged everything, etc.

There has never been a revolution that endorses the status quo. When a sizable portion of the public is ready to openly denounce the ENTIRE government, and not just half of it, we will be ready for change.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 8 years ago

Oh, for the love of all that is holy. You have to get someone from another party into all of the states. How is that working out in Pennsylvania for example? To date, we still have an electoral college. Further, not all states go with a "popular vote". How stupid are people?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Thx GF

Down with the electoral college - Up with the people getting involved and pushing the issues - our representatives our government should be tied to our issues and our choice's of action - not the other way around.

How can the peoples "will" be supported if the majority vote can be discounted?

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 8 years ago

Has to start in the states. Has to.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Yep - with the people - taking charge locally and spreading outward to unite.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 8 years ago


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Direct Democracy - It is the thing to do. {:-])

Just Do It.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 8 years ago

I knew there was a reason I loved you. The idea comes from such a lack of understanding that it is almost inevitable that most people believe it is a right wing ploy.

The electoral college is the ultimate voter suppression. But if you are in it for the long haul, the electoral college is negatable.

[-] 1 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 8 years ago

Gary Johnson is on all the ballots, tho the rnc has tried to get his name off in PA, IA, and somewhere else.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Beautiful timing! Welcome 'petergreen4'!

I just posted this on another thread...and it seems to fit here as well.

"The election should be used as a tool of peaceful "Non-compliance". Every person possible should make it out to vote...but not for either of the two puppets. Either write in a third party of choice, or, and arguably, even more effective...write in an expression of some kind that shows non-confidence of government.

Showing up is important. To not show up, shows 'them' that the masses aren't engaged in government or their future. Lethargy. Apathy. It just shows them that the masses aren't paying attention. Showing up to 'vote against the system" shows them that 'the people' have spoken, a loud and clear 'peaceful' message.

[-] 2 points by petergreen4 (3) 8 years ago

I think you should vote for an actual competent person, not just write "no confidence" or such. The good candidates need the support of good people!

If the candidate you want isn't on the ballot, write in that person's name.

[-] 1 points by jtland (30) 8 years ago

Im like you, fuck them both, but on or the other will be elected, and we might as well make the best of it. Demand action, dont just hope some one is going to try to make the situation better, MAKE IT BETTER, Get involve (#getinvolved) praticipate in anyway you can, when you make a noise, someone will hear it, when 10,000 make a noise, way more people will hear it. vote-pedia.com! make noise with us

[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 8 years ago

It is absolutely true - "There will be no difference in how the US is run whether Obama or Romney wins the election" - but is there really an alternative choice?

I think peterG has an idea though - to at least vote for the alternatives that do exist in the State [but not all states have one?]

There was that bit of history, I can't find it now, about the Dems and Reps legislating the rule for elections that "each of these two parties shall nominate a candidate for President, and no other candidate is eligible".

Election reform, as in a constitutional re-write on the election process, should become part of the OWS platform. for example, as DK says - down with the electoral college!!

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5909) 8 years ago

Only the people can make a difference http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-democracy-amendment/ . Only the people can represent their own interests and make them the condition for who gets elected regardless of party affiliation http://occupywallst.org/forum/freeda-template/ .

[-] 1 points by greenberger (2) 8 years ago

I agree wholeheartedly. In fact, I just made a music video featuring OWS folks about just this subject: https://vimeo.com/50875160

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

You argue a losing case at this very point in time. Mittens must lose. So that leaves us with bummer - for this current election.

Change will start in local elections for state by state political representation of the people - this being both in the state government and for those we send to represent us nationally.

As we get people into office that represent the peoples needs/issues the change will spread with the choosing of these individuals that work for the people and not their own agendas.

This also involves the people getting involved staying involved directing the issues and directions to take and booting out of office those that fail in their representation of the people.

[-] 1 points by Shayneh (-482) 8 years ago

If enough people vote this way it may turn the tide towards getting a 3rd party candidate in for the next election.

By doing this it will show a great dissasitfaction with the choices indicating we want other candidates we can vote for.

[-] 3 points by NVPHIL (664) 8 years ago

Plus a strong third party showing could move the dems unhappy with their paymasters to our side.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

vote directly - for david koch

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 8 years ago

Good Post

[-] -2 points by Clicheisking (-210) 8 years ago

Republicrats are the status quo. But the DNC shills here refuse to see that.