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Forum Post: Crime and Punishment

Posted 3 years ago on June 19, 2018, 9:07 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ
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Has anyone used that title before? It's a good one. In any case it occurs to me that this crap about immigration being the most essential act of law enforcement, put out by the same people who could care less about corporate crimes, or election malfeasance. It is a camel nose under the tent, after these royal masters have built their detention camps they will be used to house labor rebels and deadbeats. This is about the right of those who rule to impose their will, it will not stop.

Do you think you would work harder to pay off that debt if they had your child in a cage?



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[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago


e tenebris, lux?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago

''The Shenandoah lockup is one of only three juvenile detention facilities in the United States with federal contracts to provide “secure placement” for children who had problems at less-restrictive housing. The Yolo County Juvenile Detention Facility in California has faced litigation over immigrant children mischaracterized as gang members. In Alexandria, Virginia, a multi-jurisdiction commission overseeing the Northern Virginia Juvenile Detention Center has said it will end its federal contract to house young immigration detainees when it expires in September.

''The Shenandoah detention center was built by a coalition of seven nearby towns and counties to lock up local kids charged with serious crimes. Since 2007, about half the 58 beds are occupied by male and female immigrants between the ages of 12 and 17 facing deportation proceedings or awaiting rulings on asylum claims. Though incarcerated in a facility similar to a prison, the children detained on administrative immigration charges have not yet been convicted of any crime.

''Virginia ranks among the worst states in the nation for wait times in federal immigration courts, with an average of 806 days before a ruling. Nationally, only about half of juveniles facing deportation are represented by a lawyer, according to Justice Department data.'' (Some atrocious facts from your link:

https://wtop.com/virginia/2018/06/young-immigrants-detained-in-virginia-center-allege-abuse-2/slide/3/ )

An important difference between us is that I read your links but U don't read any of my links, in case U

are forced to deal with what U may learn there. Case in point are the first 2 of the 3 links above, about

''OPERATION GATEKEEPER'', which I won't repeat again. However maybe the following links will be

more useful .. even if not to your taste! Now see IF U can try to discuss at least one of the links below:

fiat lux ...

PS: Also FYI ...

q. e. d. ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 3 years ago

"The Wall" is the Toad's shit. "Child separation" is Toad's own doing. All three branches of the U.S. are controlled by the Retards and the Toad which deceived the World through diversions and distractions. If these Idiots were serious about illegal aliens, they would go after ALL of the businesses which hire them ( get these businesses' competitors to alert I.C.E. of the occurrence of price undercutting via the employment of illegal aliens--they'll be delighted to have I.C.E. disrupt or shut down their competitors.) If we were not willing to arm "the Wall" to the same level as "die Mauer" with minefields, guns, searchlights, guard dogs, soldiers, sharpshooters, and sentry towers with shoot-on-sight orders, "the Wall" would be tunnelled under anyway.

El Chapo could "walk out of prison," remember? Israeli soldier was kidnapped and killed near Gaza, still remember? They were done through tunnels. The greatest wall in the World built over centuries, The Great Wall of China, was even more easily breached. No hard work was needed. Troy's formidable walls withstood years of fighting by the ancient Greek warriors from "a thousand ships" only to be breached by the war trophy of the "Trojan Horse." France's impregnable Maginot Line was so strong that it hadn't even seen much action before France surrendered in just weeks. It was bypassed.

I doubt that we have the appetite for replicating "die Mauer" on our southern border so forget about "the fuckingly stupid Wall" ( far more illegal aliens flew in legally as tourists or students and overstayed their visas than illegally crossed our southern border successfully; asylum seekers are NOT "illegal" aliens although they are aliens covered by the 1954 U.N. Conventions on Statelessness which all humane-oriented countries had ratified; they are not refugees until after the legal determination conferring them the refugee status with its special privileges and rights; asylum seekers are more like guest aliens; knowledgeable illegal aliens prefer flying straight into JFK International Airport legally rather than taking on the sometimes deadly southwestern desert route ) and stop playing divisive politics on the U.S.A. and the World.

Demonizing Mexico for the opiod epidermic in the U.S. is plainly wrong and stupid although Mexican drug gangs certainly help sustain the habits of our opiod addicts. Our very own pharmaceutical corporations deceived the U.S. populace via the Medical Establishment which became the legalized dope pushers for the dope kingpins at Big Pharma. They were all protected by whom do you know?

Yeah, I remember, "research shows that painkillers taken while pain persists is NOT addictive." Where was the F.D.A. Polizei, eh? Oh, I get it--it had White overlords to please with its experienced "discretion," akin to the Toad's so-called maganimous but actually arbitrary pardons. Toad even wanted to try auto-fellatio after auto-waterboarding to enhance the oxygen-deprivation pleasure arising from the firings, notably the F.B.I. Director. Just to rub salt into the wound, the Toad banned U.S. Press Corp. from its meeting with the Bear and even divulged SCI information to wag its yuuge Feder in die rote Tinte.

Remember, Toad and Retards, you serve me, a U.S. Citizen. A more just party to pay for "the weak-and-stupid-to-begin-with Wall" is Big Pharma rather than Mexico.

Hmm, do we like a Red-Wave turpentine umbrella to shield Galapagos?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago

Demographic realities underpin tRUMP's presidency and the mood in USA. Here's why:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23517) 3 years ago

The population of white people is declining due to their own actions/choices. Blaming immigrants is a travesty.

Examining why white people are not having babies is the thing to think about.

Declining wages, inability to pay for healthcare, inability to pay for childcare (both parents have to work just to survive themselves, let alone pay for basic needs of a child), inability to pay for basic things like baby formula and diapers.

And declining birth rates among the better off, still it's financial. They know they can't afford the private school, the vacation, the bigger car, etc.

So, all are squeezed, but none want to admit that the blame goes to the 1% who are hoarding profits, hoarding wealth, hoarding healthcare and education for themselves and indebting the 99%.

This economic system is so inhumane that we are now giving up family life due to the chasm of inequality that has been created.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago

''In 2010 we stopped getting any older. The implications are huge!'', by Patrick Collinson:

This link above was shared by a very dear and beloved friend & tho' from a UK perspective .. its core points still apply to U$A & it is complimentary to THE VERY IMPORTANT & thought provoking points that U raise. A Fertility Rate of 2.1 is the minimum needed to maintain a stable population but now no country in Europe has that.China too is facing demographic issues, as are parts of India. Japan faces declining population but before any decline comes an aging, just like the link alludes to. The USA also faces these issues - which historically has been obviated by immigration but alas, that can't be said in the ''United States of Amnesia'' as Gore Vidal called the U$A! Trump is an aspect of the ''un-sayable''!

Crapitalism, Rivanchism, Alienation, Profit Before People, Materialism, Atomisation & Dehumanisation results in dejection, demoralization & depression .. ends in vexation, stress and NOT ENOUGH KIDS!

However society need not be like this, IF we can accept that there's actually enough for 10B+ people's needs but this beautiful world we call home doesn't have enough for the deep greed of 1% & Oligarchy.

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23517) 3 years ago

Immigration should be welcome. We're going to need more young people working and paying taxes to support Social Security and other programs, infrastructure, education etc., in the future.

This is true for the UK and the USA. It's just that racist greedy idiots can't admit that the white population is declining.

A declining population equals a declining economy. Again, an unsustainable model the establishment tries to cling to.

The truth is that there is enough money to go around. The only reason it doesn't seem so is that corporations and the wealthy hoard profits, impoverishing the masses.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago

"White Extinction Paranoia", is a term that seems to be in use now to describe what U describe above! Alas, govts. in ''The West'' are as much in denial about "White People" NOT having enough babies, as they are about the psychopathically deleterious effects of: Banker Ordained Neoliberalism & Austerity!

respice; adspice; prospice ..

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23517) 3 years ago

US will be minority white in 2045.


And, no amount of racism and xenophobia will stop it. In fact, we'll be needing people of all colors in droves to make up for the population loss.


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago

''The Capitalism/Racism Partnership'' by Prof. Richard D.Wolff:

Thanx for 2 extremely relevant and interesting links. From 1st (Brookings) link - I quote:

  • ''Minorities will be the source of all of the growth in the nation’s youth and working age population, most of the growth in its voters, and much of the growth in its consumers and tax base as far into the future as we can see. Hence, the more rapidly growing, largely white senior population will be increasingly dependent on their contributions to the economy and to government programs such as Medicare and Social Security. This suggests the necessity for continued investments in the nation’s diverse youth and young adults as the population continues to age.''

  • & from 2nd (NPR) link: ''The birthrate fell for nearly every group of women of reproductive age in the U.S. in 2017, reflecting a sharp drop that saw the fewest newborns since 1987, according to a new report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. There were 3,853,472 births in the U.S. in 2017 — "down 2 percent from 2016 and the lowest number in 30 years," the CDC said. The general fertility rate sank to a record low of 60.2 births per 1,000 women between the ages of 15 and 44 — a 3 percent drop from 2016, the CDC said in its tally of provisional data for the year.The results put the U.S. further away from a viable replacement rate – the standard for a generation being able to replicate its numbers.''

Just like in UK/EU - US govt doesn't wants to tell this to its population NOR do they want to explain how & why immigration is the life blood of future societies, as grumpy old white folk are in utter denial of this! This may be an unarticulated, subconscious truth - that animates a lot of scared support behind tRUMP!

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23517) 3 years ago

Remembering Heather Heyer.


She died a year ago today fighting fascists.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago

RIP Heather Heyer & "Race'' is the key but unspoken factor in US Politics.

fiat lux ....

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23517) 3 years ago

Bernie Sanders' cash bail bill seeks to end 'modern day debtors' prisons'


Denouncing America's "Debtor Prison" System, Sanders Introduces Bill to End Cash Bail


"In the year 2018, in the United States, we should not continue having a 'debtor prison' system."

You should not be in prison in the USA just because you are poor.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago

U$A's ''Debtor Prison System", is part of a wider profoundly parasitic, Private Prison Industrial Complex, that needs near full occupancy, to be financially viable. The degradation & depravations of The US FOR PROFIT Prison System is at root of the reason why USA has 25%+of all the prisoners in the world! This is why there was a US wide PRISON STRIKE recently ... NOT that U'd know about that on Corp. MSM!! Ergo, please NB: this 5 Tweet Twitter Thread - incl. four relevant articles ...

fiat lux et fiat justitia ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

Posted on twitter:

R U honestly & Truly = #Prolife?


Then U must b fighting 4:

National min LIVING WAGE

National affordable housing = 1/4 monthly income

National Health Care 4 all (including Dental & Eyesight)

Affordable Daycare

Maximum 40 hr work week & more...

That is, if U R truly Pro-Life!

Because how can you be pro-life/society if you are not PRO the necessities of life for all! How can you demand that a person give birth to a child that will live in poverty - sure give it up for adoption - fine - provide support that will see that Mom-tobe through her pregnancy (guarding her place at whatever low income insufficient number of hours or Ins job she has). Lets see all you pro-life assholes make this work with the financially affluent and secure single women 1st!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23517) 3 years ago

True. Right wingers are "pro-birth" and not "pro-life." They demand the baby be born but tough on that baby what conditions it's born into, and the life, once born matters not to them.