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Powerful! Thanx for that, as well as .. ''This is a killer to read. Heartbreaking'' ...

Your disturbing "NoC"link should be required reading here, even (or should that be'especially'?) for frf!

fiat justitia ...

Thread: Democratic Socialist Rising Value
[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 10 hours ago

"From Debt Peons To Wage Slaves'', by Dr. Michael Hudson:

fiat lux ...

Dr. Michael Hudson tells it like it is, like almost nobody else. He's a Prophet railing against Profit Over People & Corporate Oligarchy & Bankers. The TYT Journalist, Nomiki Konst .. is another such person BUT within the DNC and Dem Party Machine .. IF U can even believe - such a person can even exist!

veritas vos liberabit ...

You're so out of touch with The DNC and The Democratic Party Establishment! See Nomiki Konst, here:

Until & unless U realize that Gore/Bush AND Kerry/Bush were stolen by Diebold & GOP Lawyers, U will remain in The Dark; Pissing In The Wind; fighting past battles that have NO connection to today's reality.

Go on ... have at it! Your detachment from reality is clear but it will be alleviated a little from that video of Nomiki telling like it is ... IF U can bear to watch it! U may even note that AZ gets a wee mention therein!

e tenebris, lux?

Thread: More Than Net Neutrality
[-] 2 points by grapes (5048) 14 hours ago

The 21st-Century Stamp Act is arriving.

More from Hudson on the Trump Tax Scam.

http://michael-hudson.com/2017/10/what-tax-plan/

"S. Peries: Michael, another method that wealthy individuals and companies can use to avoid paying taxes is deducting investment expenses. Tell us how this works.

M. Hudson: If you look at the real estate sector’s loopholes, since World War II the National Income and Product Accounts (NIPA) report that real estate is hardly paying any income tax at all. If you own a building and you’re an absentee owner – not living there, not a homeowner, but absentee owners – they avoid paying any income tax because they don’t earn any reportable income. They pay interest, which is a tax-deductible expense, or they pretend – under the accounting rules that their lobbyists have bought from Washington – that the buildings actually are depreciating in value, even while the price is soaring. It’s going way up, they don’t have to pay an income tax. Then finally, when they die neither their estate nor their heirs have to pay any capital gains. The heirs get it without having to pay any tax.

The richest people have to pay an estate tax, but that’s being knocked out also. I think that everybody, as you pointed out, who’ve looked at the tax plan, says, “All the benefits are at the top. Where’s the benefit for the low-income people?”

Well, the wage earners are going to have to pay more tax. The minimum tax rate is actually raised from 10% to 12%. Also, people who live in Democratic states, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, California and so forth, will not be able to subtract the state and local taxes that they’ve been deducting from their taxable income all these years. So the tax rate for wage earners, for people who actually have to file tax forms and declare an income, is actually going to go up. The economy is going to be made poorer."

Thread: money and debt
[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22801) 18 hours ago

Half of Americans are in or near poverty.

So says a new article in Nation of Change. This is a killer to read. Heartbreaking.

https://www.nationofchange.org/2017/10/16/yes-half-americans-near-poverty-heres-evidence/?platform=hootsuite

The American dream, fading away for half of America.

I couldn't reply to flip or ImNotMe on that thread because ran out of space so putting this article here again because it is so powerful, sad, but powerful.

"Although money and banking textbooks say that all interest (and fees) are a compensation for risk, any banker who actually takes a risk is quickly fired. Banks don’t take risks. That’s what the governments are for. (Socializing the risk, privatizing the profits.) Anticipating that the U.S. economy may be unable to recover under the weight of the junk mortgages and other bad debts that the Obama administration left on the books in 2008, banks insisted that the government guarantee all student debt. They also insisted that the government guarantees the financial gold-mine buried in such indebtedness: the late fees that accumulate. So whether students actually succeed in becoming wage-earners or not, the banks will receive payments in today’s emerging fictitious “as if” economy. The government will pay the banks “as if” there is actually a recovery."

''From Debt Peons To Wage Slaves'', by Dr. Michael Hudson: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47174.htm

Hmm. Pretty much tells the whole story of how friggin' ripped off we are.

Thank you to Michael Hudson for his dedication to the people and his ability to explain economics in such simple terms.

Thread: Cut Cut Cut Bill and Other Parasitisms
[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1932) from Fredericksburg, TX 18 hours ago

Many more people voted for Gary Johnson than Jill Stein. It's a safe bet that most libertarians would vote republican otherwise.

Thread: What Does Organize - Unite - Resist mean to me
[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22801) 18 hours ago

Jeremy Corbyn. Some recent tweets that I thought were very profound:

"We must end impunity for corporations that violate human rights or wreck our environment. The next Labour government will work to create a legally binding treaty to regulate global corporations, their subsidiaries and suppliers under international human rights law."

"We must tackle the growing concentration of unaccountable wealth and power in the hands of a tiny corporate elite, climate change and the refugee crisis, and end the “bomb first, think later” approach to conflict resolution."

"Today, at the United Nations in Geneva, I outlined how, together, we can build a social and economic system with human rights and justice at its core, and work for peace, security and understanding."

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/with_replies

That is the kind of leader the world needs right now.

Thread: Cut Cut Cut Bill and Other Parasitisms
[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22801) 18 hours ago

How the heck is that going to happen with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi in charge of the party? And, Hillary Clinton waiting in the wings? And, others that have one foot in with corporations and one foot with the people?

It's a nice thought, but seems a bit naive. The reason for a new party is so that you have control over your platform and principles, not a bunch of old party members who can't let go of their corporate devotion putting up roadblocks every step of the way.

Edward Said on "claims" to the Holy Land:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2z7kEAy6mI

"I would not say that the Jewish claim or the Zionist claim is the only claim or the main claim. I say it is a claim among many others."

how many dead civilians was the simple question - nothing to do with trump or nader or spaceballs. bill, hillary and barry - how many people have they murdered? answer the question youngster

Thread: occupy black lives
[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8782) from Phoenix, AZ 1 day ago

Super PACs should be banned, private donations to politicians and campaigns should be banned, and a clean public financing system should be implemented to end the takeover of our government by corporations and billionaires. Americans deserve free and fair elections — free from the corruption of big money donors. The Supreme Court has effectively legalized bribery. It’s time for an Article 5 convention to take our Democracy back from the brink of Oligarchy.

I got a question for you where the those church people stand on the death penalty?

You vote for Drumpf and bring up Al Franken, that's funny!

Thread: One County In America That Voted In A Landslide For Both Trump And Obama
[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8782) from Phoenix, AZ 1 day ago

"Apparently - "it is a mark of the conservative to start with a lie, all conservatives are lying assholes."! So, ''Clintons are saints'' & ''the Greens have killed billions" have they?!! U fkn lying, conservative, asshole!!!

Hellary - re. just Libya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y (11s) Want more frf?

Try this re."the woman who tried to give America healthcare'' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odN4Aq7XjrE (1.07m) With U accepting that U$A, was ''in a place we had no place being in''!

So how about U live up to this http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-liberals-have-to-be-radicals/ ?!

A fkn ''conservative'' is, as a fkn CONservative does! Lips stuck to Hellary's ample ass - is NOT ''Liberal'' OR Progressive!! It's more of the same idiotic,duopoly Corporate Kabuki in Oligarchy's U$A,so WTFU!!!

veritas vos liberabit ..."

I said compared to the Greens, the Greens killed the Earth and all who live there, not yet but they are responsible for everything W Bush did while in office,. and now they are Drumpf biggest supporters, he couldn't have won without the Greens.

You edit my words because as a GOP loving con you can't handle the truth.

Thread: One County In America That Voted In A Landslide For Both Trump And Obama
[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8782) from Phoenix, AZ 1 day ago

You are the one pushing the ego whore Jill Stein, you should get over the Cl;intons too yesterday's news going forward those whop want change will work to change the DNC and defeat the GOP, as agkaiser said here, http://occupywallst.org/forum/jill-stein-voters-are-in-the-noise/, the Greens are dead.

You want to go a few rounds on how the Greens and Nader ended our efforts to deal with climate change and killed the world? I'd be happy to.

Thread: Police State Beatings & Murder
[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33306) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 day ago

Normal, whether mean or orthogonal, applied to average intelligence, whether relatively bright or dim, diminishes apprehension of reality.

"He's far brighter than he makes out but still dumb ..."

Can't argue with that.

Thread: Police State Beatings & Murder
[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 day ago

The Execution of Daniel Shaver is outside any & all human comprehension but this is how USA's Militarized Police, equipped with Weapons of War will eventually act, as the Cop .. Philip Brailsford, WAS ACQUITTED OF ANY CRIME!!!

NB: WARNING: Videos Above Show The Murder of a Man!

Also, all the very best wishes of the season to U & mRs. Nev1.

et fiat justitia ruat caelum ....

Thread: Democratic Socialist Rising Value
[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 day ago

Note - ''We’re living in a time of economic babble, where politicians and economists throw out words like “reform,” “privatize,” and “austerity” to prop up corrupt capitalist opportunists. So says our guest this week,economist Dr.Michael Hudson, author of 'J is for Junk Economics'.''

ad iudicium ...

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