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Forum Post: C.I.A. Torture: Cheney says Crap, McCain says Commendable, I say Cover-Up

Posted 7 years ago on Dec. 16, 2014, 12:10 p.m. EST by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR
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Panel Faults C.I.A. Over Brutality and Deceit in Terrorism Interrogations

Perpetrated by the W-Cheney GOP administration: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/world/senate-intelligence-committee-cia-torture-report.html?_r=0

Late 2014: Now that we're back to scrutinizing 9-11 torture, maybe we can expand and review 9-11 ~ the single most beneficial event of the 1%-GOP Bush-Cheney occupation of the executive branch of our government for 8 fraudulent, excruciating and disastrous years ~ before it disappears back down the memory hole.

Early 2001: With the Bush-Cheney administration's criminal disregard of terrorist warnings, criminal DOJ legal memos & findings, exorbitant contact with the CIA and Bin Laden family, leading up to their shameless exploitation of THE 9-11 ATTACK, how is their subsequent massive imprisonment and torture not completely suspicious?

Late 2001: The Bush-Cheney administration was lobbying Congress for massive increases in defense spending and getting nowhere. But with 9-11 and each repetition of plane crash video into the Twin Towers on TV news, you could just hear the “Cha-Chings” of Congress' cash registers granting ever more Patriot Million$ to defend the Homeland. Massive no-bid contracts (many to Dick's Halliburton) and massive Pentagon and DOD funding (and fog of war WS robbery which eventually led to the 2008 crash) ensued. Then they pulled out the massive pre-written Patriot Act that became our new bible. That's not completely suspicious?

2002-2009: So with such success from 9-11 terror, why torture? To stop it? To protect the Homeland? That would be stupid and self-destructive! Another terror attack would unleash even more Patriot Million$! They tortured and defend it for other reasons. Cover-Up. To prove National Security was their motivation, that it was not about $$$$$$OIL~ARMS~CONTRACTS$$$$$$$!

McCain 'Commends' Feinstein's 'Diligence' on CIA Torture Report: http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=1a15e343-66b0-473f-b0c1-a58f984db996

Dick Cheney’s grotesque legacy:

Cheney Calls Torture Report A Crock, Says He’d ‘Do It Again In A Minute’: Cheney is a disciple of all the president Nixon's men, and is a true-believer of the “Imperial Presidency.” Hence the Noe-Fascism label given to that GOP-gone-wild era and regime, and Cheney's loathsome contempt for Laws and Democracy.



Insane Convolution of EPA and Torture: http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/12/15/3603773/epa-regulations-cia-torture/

Russel Brand on CIA Torture Report: http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/russell-brand-cia-torture-report-if-rape-being-used-way-get-info-were-already-he-0?akid=12566.1923391.18UzY1&rd=1&src=newsletter1028484&t=13

Comic Confusion on Torture: http://www.alternet.org/comics/alternet-comics-jen-sorensen-torture-hypocrisy

Fox Lies Trivialization of Torture: http://www.alternet.org/media/five-worst-examples-fox-news-hosts-trivializing-torture?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

QUIT thinking it's hopeless! That's BULL SHIT the 1%-GOP wants you to believe.
The reason for Citizens United and massive 1% GOP Partisan Political Spending is to defeat Dems. When you don't Vote, you Vote RepubliCon!

A top international official is calling for the criminal prosecution of top members of the Bush administration for torture and other war crimes: http://www.politicususa.com/2014/12/09/calls-grow-dick-cheney-george-w-bush-prosecuted-torture.html#.VIhW1KF3r2o.twitter



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[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

''Modern-Day Mengeles : America's Terror War Torture Shrinks'', by Chris Floyd :

Including Video : "Trying to stay human in a an age of shame". Good Forum-Post & ...

See https://occupywallst.org/forum/report-united-states-engaged-in-the-practice-of-to/

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

Put the evil bastards on trial: The case for trying Bush, Cheney and more for war crimes
The evidence for the prosecution is clear. Human decency requires putting the Bush administration on trial

Paul Rosenberg | “There is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account.”

— Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, June 2008

We’ve seen it in Ferguson, Missouri, with Darren Wilson getting off scot-free for killing Michael Brown. And we’ve seen it again in Staten Island, with Daniel Pantaleo getting off scot-free for killing Eric Garner. So why shouldn’t scores of CIA agents, contractors, higher-ups and other government officials—including former President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney—get off scot-free for torturing hundreds of detainees, including some complete innocents? That, apparently, is the reigning logic following the release of the Senate torture report.


[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

From another Post:
Yes, honest, aware and sensible folks are getting knifed here, if they haven't left long ago. Probably for the same reason we saw the worst Voter turnout in 72 years, during the height of WW-2: People are giving up. And RWs posing as disgruntled Libs and Anarchists are left to do mischief. Unfortunately the Right doesn't give up, they aren't discouraged, they don't feel guilt, pain or loss. They're Zombies and they keep serving their authoritarian master's plan, no matter what. They always turnout!

We are in the horrific midst of Guns OUT of Control!! No other right or product would NOT be postponed or pulled off of shelves if it even approached this much threat, harm and death!! Not One! NONE!! The Hands-Off, irreproachable, attitude and treatment of this deadly hobby approaches state sanctioned religion. Not one person should die to maintain this insanity! Moratorium on all gun and ammo sales and public use, until a sane gun policy, that protects the public's right to NOT BE SHOT, is ratified.

Probably more than anything else, Carter's attempt to switch from fossil fuel to alternative energy, energized the RW's successful coup d'etat of his presidency. If we had followed his lead, and ignored the Powell Memo, we'd be ahead of Germany in AE usage, China in AE production, and farther away than we are to catastrophic pollution caused Climate Destabilization.

The 1% concentration has led to a 1% Class War on the 99%, which the majority is oblivious to while the 99% is tragically and unnecessarily losing. And conservative has alternately become fascist and fundamentalist.

Dems are a vast improvement, but money is the real culprit. We have to get all private money out of politics, so it does not exploit our tendency to forfeit our rights to Vote! Cons, having gone soooo insane, have to be re-educated before they are safe again in our government.

It's odd that more people do not complain or address the phenomena of Non-Partisan, A-Political, Protest against the 1% TYRANNY over the 99% and Wall Street ROBBERY, amounts to, results in: bashing, blaming and smearing Dems and democracy. Very odd!

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

''Americans Are Sick to Death of Both Parties'', by Walter Dean Burnham & Thomas Ferguson :

"The way many pundits tell it, the Democratic debacle in the 2014 midterm elections sounds like a perfect storm of bad breaks. The President was aloof. The party’s message was weak and muddled, in some races focused almost entirely on gender issues. Meanwhile record or near-record breaking waves of political money (for off year elections) cascaded through the political system while voter turnout plunged to levels last seen in 1942.

''The real story is much uglier: 2014 was fundamentally a democratic debacle. It likely heralds a new stage in the disintegration of the American political order.

''Though Republicans jubilate now, the trend is probably as threatening to them as it is to the Democrats. The reason is stark: Increasing numbers of average Americans can no longer stomach voting for parties that only pretend to represent their interests.''

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

America's Dangerous Turn to Anti-Intellectualism
The rise in academic book bannings and firings is compounded by a growing disregard for scholarship itself.


[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 7 years ago

''The End of Democracy as we Knew it'', by Bernd Hamm :

''This paper starts with summarizing the major theoretical elements in the definition of a global ruling class. It then examines how neoconservatives in the US took power and used regime change to install US-friendly governments in other regions. A strategy of tension is used to press the population into conformity. But the real revolution is to what extent factual politics escape any attempt to democratic control. Three case studies show how far the Deep State already goes. Democracy is on the brink of survival.''

From your 'Alter-Net' link : ''Happily, there is pushback occurring against such anti-intellectualism. One of the most vibrant examples is a protest group called Librotraficante, or Book Trafficker. Organised by Tony Diaz, a Houston Community College professor, the group has been caravanning throughout the south-west holding readings, setting up book clubs, establishing "underground libraries," and dispensing donated copies of the books that have been removed from Arizona's public school curriculum. You can donate by visiting http://www.librotraficante.com/ ''

fiat lux ...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Anyone who tells the story of 2014 without giving you and others like you who worked so hard to confuse and defuse the people to ensure a huge GOP victory is not really telling the whole story. you can be very proud of your great success in the 2014 elections driving the Dems from Washington.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Yes yet again not unlike 2000 when the efforts of those like you gave us W Bush it is an ever repeating pattern, people being led off a cliff by madmen like you.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

Inherent Resolve Airstrikes Continue in Syria, Iraq Department of Defense-Dec 15, 2014 SOUTHWEST ASIA, Dec. 15, 2014 – U.S. and partner nation military forces have continued to attack Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant terrorists in Syria and ... Coalition air strikes hit IS targets Sky News Australia-Dec 15, 2014 US confirms 18 airstrikes in Syria, Iraq over weekend Kuwait News Agency-Dec 15, 2014

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

pat pat.

it's also a very ugly world

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

so stop

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

Can't, I have children. also, at the mercy of 1% tyrants and 99% imbeciles, idiocracy, you stop

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

now that there are fewer Dems in Washington do you expect the bombing will be reduce?

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

it's not about dems and repubs

despite what both parties would have us believe

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

I know it's about the laws they pass.

Thank goodness I won't have to hear 'repetitive" from someone who repeats the one thing over and over and over as if it is all that matters, just that one thing. At least you understand spending years if necessary reminding people of even one important fact like bombing or electing the GOP important things bear repeating at least we agree on that.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

Jon Stewart Explores "Scariest F*cking Place on Earth" -- Dick Cheney's Mind
Good thing W. didn't die while he was in office. (Unfortunately, hundreds of thousands of innocent people did.)

December 16, 2014 | On last night's Daily Show, Jon Stewart took on defenders of CIA torture like Michael Hayden and CIA director John Brennan. But no one can defend the horrific tactics revealed in the Senate report in quite the same bloodcurdling way as Dick Cheney. Cheney's twisted logic was something to behold.

“He’s impervious to doubt,” Stewart said. “It never enters his mind that the confident, plain-spoken pronouncements of truth are often times complete bullsh*t.”

Watch below:


[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 7 years ago

CIA Officials Linked to Torture Face Possible Prosecution, Future Stuck in U.S.
By Sophia Pearson, Christie Smythe and Joel Rosenblatt December 10, 2014

CIA officials linked to brutal interrogation tactics in a U.S. Senate report on torture may be prosecuted or sued overseas for their conduct, a threat that may keep them confined to the U.S. for the rest of their lives.

“The reality is that none of the individuals involved, particularly those whose names are known, should ever travel outside the United States again,” said Beth Van Schaack, who teaches international criminal justice and human rights at Stanford University. She noted the potential for suits in foreign courts under “expansive principles of jurisdiction.”

One cautionary tale: An Italian court in November 2009 convicted 23 Americans, mostly suspected Central Intelligence Agency officials, in absentia for abducting radical Islamic cleric Osama Mustafa Hassan Nasr on a Milan street in February 2003. Nasr, also known as Abu Omar, said he was kidnapped by CIA agents and turned over to Egyptian security officials and tortured.