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[-] 3 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 5 years ago

Regardless of what you may have heard from Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Coulter, Palin, Bruce, Levin, Gallagher, OReiley, or roughly 20% of the US population who are too fxxxxxx stupid to know any better, Liberalism and Socialism ARE NOT one in the same. Not even close. Unless of course, you are able to cite a few 'liberal' representatives who propose that we lose our rights as individuals to own our homes or even our lawns.

No? Ok then. Stop dumbing down America with your socialism/liberalism crap. They ARE NOT one in the same.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

I think you are wrong to expend energy on this meaningless exercise in ism competition.

Best to focus on specific issues that affect the 99%. Whatever ism you are married to.

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Weak wickerman, very weak !!! You forgot to ''Delete'' this forum-post too !! A "weakerman" perhaps ?!

Even IF you do delete all your forum-posts btw, the actual threads remain as each comment has its own web-ID / address (url). You should fully read the threads linked to above ... despite the fact that you tried to 'delete' every one of your responses in the first link there.

Were you drunk when you did that or were you drunker when you did the forum-post ? In any case, you don't seem to actually have the courage to espouse your reactionary, conservative bunkum and maintain your shape. Good luck with the harvest and do read on a li'l.

  • "We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." (Plato)

If you were a man of honour, you would engage the criticisms here, back up your views or accept that there are other points of view and that maybe your 'truths' and ours', can possibly cross-fertilise !!! But you chickened out and lost your spine !! Not Good & not just a li'l shameful !

Re. "You folks hate people like Sam Walton, and Don Tyson. Did you know that those people started out flat broke? Don Tyson settled where he did because he had a blow out on his truck and could not afford a new tire. We haven't done anything that anyone else could not do." ''We'', huh ? Hmmmmmm.

Your simplistic views, are almost beyond belief in their ignorance of the realities of economic policies since 1980 and in particular since the Neoliberal, Corporate, Bankster Extractive Smoke, Mirrors and Dogma freakonomics & totally ignores the realities of the lives of The American 99%.

The 2008 Financial Crisis and its very real implications and consequences for working people gave rise to OWS but your personal identification with The 1% is most revealing. Sam Walton, Henry Ford & the titans of US industry - are now replaced by the Corporate and Bankster Parasites but you are too busy channelling the self-righteous b-s of a ''frustrated millionaire'' as opposed to The 99%.

I would normally attach links, quotes and references here but you would not read them. Your mind is made up. Your mind is closed. Your heart is hard. You are suspicious of people who may care about others. You post here because something deep inside your psyche - knows something is very wrong. Yet you can't shut down the deeply ingrained societal programming from the US 1%.

It's infuriating & perplexing to some extent. But mainly, it's very disappointing & sad. Furthermore ;-) :

''Ring the bells that still can ring ; Forget your perfect offering ; There is a crack, a crack in everything .. That's how the light gets in''[Leonard Cohen http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31442.htm ]

We wish you no ill but you did wish to be informed who OWS would support .. so that you can vote the opposite. OWS advocates voting for care, compassion and community. Now you must go do what your conscience dictates.

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

So Shadz-i have a theory about why wickerman came to this site in the first place.I noticed that he evidently deleted his posts and may have deleted his account-but according to my hypothesis,he will return.What is your theory?

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

I think that we need the agon here really [ http://wordinfo.info/unit/53/ip:4 ] I think that he may have been genuine but who can know here for sure ? I'm not at all one for banning folk but this guy is busy banning himself. However tho' they were clearly running amok here, I didn't like the way The 'DNC / Likud' faction (snooz, ZD, GF et al) were ejected. I am all for having other - even outrageous p-o-v's here as it can help to keep us focussed and sharp. Also fyi, I append and recommend :

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

I think that person actually was not a real troll.I feel bad now that I mocked the person the way I did,because although I was mystified by his presence here,I failed to think carefully about what the person wanted.After review and reflection,it seemed to me that he must be looking for something here not available at Stormfront or Infowars.I don't think this is a habitual time waster trying to find people and ideas that he could call"communist." I think he is a real person who has a real problem in the real world.There are at least 6 people who can answer the basic question about markets I posed in my post on Farmers Markets.You are one of those people,and I hope you will take the time to discuss basic economic concepts as they are raised by me in the future.One of the worst problems we have in this country is widespread and appalling ignorance about even the most basic concepts of economic theory-including all perspectives,not just Marxian.

[-] -1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Don't feel bad - you did what you did honestly & face it - the 'wickerman' acted like a dick - especially going back & deleting his right-wing, reactionary twaddle. Finally, fyi :

pax et lux ...

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

It would have helped if Wick had been more candid.I got mad because I am surrounded by people who spout the same worn-out rhetoric that is essentially circular argument leading always back to the same place-you are a Commie and you want to steal my stuff.I do wonder if this may be caused by a basic inability to articulate what the actual fear is,because the idea that someone wants to steal somebody's stuff is so f'n stupid.Also f'n stupid is the idea that Poors want free stuff-the Poors want jobs that pay enough to live on,NOT free stuff or a work-free life style.Project much,Poor blamers?

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

A ''poor blamer'' is exactly what 'wick' was and is and that's a good and useful phrase. The ''commie'' meme is deeply implanted in so many Americans of his age and ilk, and the Corporations and Koch-Libertarian types just love that shit because it so readily provides a full brain by-pass. Also fyi, see :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

Those who are foolish enough to wreck organized labor will have to deal with the consequences.You don't see fools like that in Germany or Scandinavian countries.Attacks on Labor have done no good in the UK,and are currently causing chaos in France.It is a Majestic Blunder to trade organized Labor for whatever is lurking behind Door #1,IMHO.

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Even the most lunatic, right-wing union-basher, will stilll tend to concede that unions performed a crucial mission in the late 19th & most of the 20th centuries & that by forcing companies to pay higher wages & to improve working conditions, they helped create the modern American ''middle class''. In Germany, the unions are represented in company boardrooms. Can we imagine that in USUK ? Can we fk ! + fyi :

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Discussing educating the public with the creation of tools that the public could use. Long term short term - could very well be an approach to establishing a direct democracy:

https://occupywallst.org/forum/rolling-integrity-an-answer-to-an-occupy-3rd-polit/

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

Now yer talkin' DK.I will send you a drone carrying a football made of 100 dollar bills strapped together with duct tape for a morale booster.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

LOL - only if the duct tape is 100% bio-friendly-degradable-compost-able - can one get a hemp based duct tape? {:-])

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

Yet again,a market has failed,creating the need for-moar markets! Hemp and seaweed based duct tape and Toxic Duct Tape Removal companies,here we come!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

New hemp based industries to spring up out of legalized marijuana states?

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

They really must develop industrial hemp-or their competitors will.Then follows the familiar progression for the one who fails to grab and expand market share.The farmers are working on it and soon will make headway in the area of hemp,because they are missing out on billions worth of market share in a dozen categories of product where they could compete effectively,without a doubt.There is no reasonable reason to tie their hands,they know it&they are PISSED.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Yep - F'nA - the trend is to clean and green and biodegrade-able ECO friendly. And Hemp is very ECO friendly. Hemp is pretty amazing.

What is hemp?- Industrial Hemp

Welcome to Hemp Plastic

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

Hemp=a great,good thing.I almost wrote-"Hemp is a great,good thong."-LOL-Thong underwear made of hemp may become available someday,but the hemp fibers I've seen might not be suitable-LOL! More R&D would certainly provide us with suitable hemp fiber for any kind of clothing.IMHO.Hemp oil,Hemp paper,Hemp animal food,Hemp people food,Hemp building materials-and so on.In Watermelon Sugar-only it's Hemp.Delightful!

[-] -3 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 5 years ago

I have been saying this from the start. Deal with ideas, not with proposers. Motives are not important. What we should always do is address ideas in an adult like manner. With arguments, and counter arguments - not with insults.

For some reason, this site has always favoured a type of group think. Perhaps because OWS is/was anarcho-communist.

People who are left wing are labelled trolls and ridiculed, often their ideas are not even explored or countered. It's simply an attack on the proposer.

The truth is, it's good when right wingers come here. It gives us a chance to change their minds. And, even if we don't, countering their ideology gives us a chance to express our views and work on clarifying them.

The worse thing you can do is attack the proposer. Always counter ideas.

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

You are correct.Not all trolls are actually trolls-I wronged that person in a cruel and graceless manner and I will make sure to apologize to him when he comes back,as I am confident he will.You too are one of the people who knows the answer to the question I posed in the farmer's market post.To the extent we can help real people who have real and frightening problems in a very real,very rough world,we are validated.Failure to discuss basic economic concepts on this forum along with a lack of discussion of real world problems that are hurting people so much militates against our credibility.

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[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

all those poster posted content but i don't care to here about republicans

pretty sure zen Dog is who he says he is

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Yes you are right re. that poster ... and thereby was the problem really !!!

ZenDog was & is, a BIG Obomber fan !! Sad but true & VERY un-OWS !

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

the president has done the people no favors

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

Perhaps Shadz approach of impeaching the President is the best option.

[-] 7 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

who's gonna impeach him ?

congress ?

[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (33801) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (815) 8 hours ago

who's gonna impeach him ?

congress ?

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Yep - congress - but - it should at the will of the people that congress acts - and for committing war crimes against humanity and NOT for some stupid assed forcing through of the ACA.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

That is the process.

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Who's ''approach of impeaching the President'' .. you mendacious, manipulative slug ?!

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[-] 2 points by 99nproud (1920) 1 hour ago

I say Impeach the President!!!

Let's agree to push that effort.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

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You seem to operate like an agent provocateur and shill & so you are beneath contempt but feel free to wrap your noisy head around the following link - seeing as though ''impeaching'' interests you so much :

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

I don't understand, you are against the President but support him keeping his power?

Is that because you won't have him to bash.?

More important to bash, than fighting for change?

Embrace your position & it's logical conclusion.

Impeach the President! You know you want to, & we all know it too.

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

Observe a mendacious, manipulative, fork-tongued, scheming troll / stooge - at work above !!! Hitlary will be waaay more 'bashable' than Obummer, I'll guarantee it ... despite what you do or ''don't understand'' !! What do ''we all know'' and .. ''so do you speak for other contributors'' here ... you blithering hypocrite ?!!!

If all DNC stooges are like you, then it's no damn wonder that you get the big boot eventually - when you lose your shape and get found out. Fkwit. Now go read something useful even IF you can't be the same:

It was wholly your choice to get involved here & if you want/need further spanx, just keep replying to me.

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

What are you trying to say?

[-] 0 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

That you're an OAF !!! Offensive ; Abrasive & Fatuous !! Geddit ?! Re-read above & further consider :

Go delete your self-exposing comments & start your multi-voting, if you like. It will change nothing.

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Good article.

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

But you DON'T speak for anyone but yourself right?

I guess your sense of fairness & decency doesn't rise to the level of not attacking people behind their backs without the benefit of defending themselves.

I suppose it is easier that way. Certainly you've shown you can't honestly debate a participating debater.

And everyone should know YOU were banned at the same time & same reason as the contributor you are attacking in absentia.

Seems without honor. Have some self respect.

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

WTF are you talking about, you squabbling half-wit ?!!!

et temet nosce !

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

So you do speak for other contributors?

Do you acknowledge your dishonor?

Or that YOU were banned at the same time for the same reason?

Speak for yourself, & please redirect your energies into your good efforts.

Otherwise, you WILL likely be banned for policing/harassing those you disagree with politically.

Freedom of expression is a high priority for occupy. Please get with the program.

[-] -1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

So, ''Do you acknowledge your dishonor'' ?! You're a fking amnesiac, hypocrite, weasel !! You're the one with known multiple log-ins ; you're the one who couldn't wait to accuse me, of whatever happened here a month ago when Trashy (with or without jart's help) flipped this forum ; you are the one who wanted to blame me for that and now .. you are the one deleting your own b-s, knee-jerk replies to me, in order to cover your duplicitous snivelling - whereas I have been descriptive but not slanderous about ZD above !!!

So even IF this forum-post has been deleted, the standing record remains, revealing you as a scumbag.

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

Tell us how you really feel.

Is 66 the number of times you've been banned?

Why do you think you can judge contributors,& provide police service with immature namecalling, & personal attacks?

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 5 years ago

We all judge & are judged on what we say and how we behave & you do exactly the same, I presume. I'm not the one running multiple identities here and engaging in mass stinkles and other such nefarious behaviour. Our exchanges speak for themselves & just re-read what we've said to each other just above, never mind anywhere else - in order to see and get the essence of what I am saying. In the meantime ...

ad iudicium ...

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Is claiming someone supports the president an attack? Is it offensive? Does it need to be defended?

If so, there's something to ponder...

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

ponder all you like. Honor dictates you allow people to face their accusers.

Whether it is an attack, or offensive would be best defined by the contributor being spoken for behind their back.

No.?

[-] 0 points by eklutna (101) 5 years ago

What the hell would you know about "honor". We're coming up on the 2nd anniversary (about 3 weeks) of you being outed with multiple monikers. How many do you have now VQ? I understand tho...'anything goes' in your little world.

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 years ago

You are clearly delusional and distracted from this issues that matter.

I've NEVER been banned. You have been banned 4 times for harassing, trolling, & intolerance of others political views.

FOUR!!!!

Wanna go for 5?