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Forum Post: Bill de Blasio vs Pat Lynch

Posted 6 years ago on Dec. 23, 2014, 1 p.m. EST by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR
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RE: Bill for POTUS:


Pat Lynch, You Will Not Wage 'War' on Our Communities!


Pat Lynch: "You are a Fluke of the universe, and whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back."

PL, you are a disgrace to unions, NYPD, and NYers!!

What drives or possesses you?? The NRA? The GOP? The 1%? All of the above?

Not one word about Police brutality, prejudice, or Gun Control.

Simply and utterly disgusting!!



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[-] 4 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

It seems no one is talking about the people who must change in order to change the way the police and the people interact, the DAs. the DAs have to start putting bad cops in jail just like anyone else, if the law is fairly applied it would fix this, of course the law is bent by money and power so there are few that will address the root of this problem.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 6 years ago

Who are the prime constituents of a city's DA? Joe 6-pack of the 99%? Or Mr. Bank or Dealership Owner of the 1%? The Ownership Class is very pleased with militarized, roid-raging, police forces that prioritize private property over "uppity peons & malcontents." The Owners wrote the X-mas bonus checks to prove it.

We should address the people responsible for public-hating cops: the police Chiefs, the DAs, the Mayors, the Big Money Owners with undue influence, the 30% average of Voters for or against these officials, or the 70% who forfeited their choice and find the consequences disturbing and unacceptable.

The people who showed up (Owners show up for things that affect them, like elections) got the Law Enforcement they wanted. The majority who passed probably didn't. How much more pepper spray, tasering, choking and shooting will it take to clue people in on showing up? Or are we doomed to an undeclared Marshal Law, denied Climate Destabilization, Idiocracy?

[-] 3 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 6 years ago

Let's not forget the Blue Wall of silence. This long-held, unwritten code puts an enormpus amount of pressure on good cops, not to rat out the wrongdoing of bad cops. It also aids in an us against them attitude.


[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

The Thin Blue Line runs throughout the domestic power structure like a noose.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 6 years ago

Remedied by showing up!

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

RICHMOND -- Amid the nationwide tumult over recent instances of police officers using deadly force against unarmed people, Bay Area cities like Berkeley and Oakland have been rived by impassioned protests that have at times turned violent. But a different kind of protest popped up in Richmond on Tuesday, and at the vanguard of the gathering calling for a reduction in police violence in communities of color was an unlikely participant: Richmond's police chief. "I've never seen anything like it, not in Richmond, not anywhere," said longtime resident Mary Square, who stood on the north side of Macdonald Avenue watching the protesters on the south side of the street. "All these police, and the police chief, holding signs calling for an end to police violence. ... I'm going to tell my kids." About 100 protesters lined Macdonald Avenue at 41st Street by noon Tuesday, holding signs and listening to a stereo that boomed speeches by Martin Luther King Jr. Police Chief Chris Magnus, who has drawn acclaim for his community-policing approach and helping drive down both crime and use of force by his officers in recent years, was front and center, facing the street while holding a white sign that said "#blacklivesmatter." The photo quickly went viral on social media, the image of the uniformed chief with the popular hashtag a stark contrast to the anti-police sentiment many associate with it. "I spoke with my command staff, and we agreed it would be nice to convey our commitment to peaceful protest and that black and brown lives do matter," Magnus said after the protest. "And to help bridge the gap that we understand sometimes exists between police and community around certain issues."

[-] 2 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 6 years ago

Excellent post. Our country will be way better off, when we have far more police officials like Richmond California's Chief Magnus,... and far fewer divisive people like NYPD's PBA President Patrick Lynch.


[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 6 years ago

Its amazing what hiring a politician outside of the duopoly can do for some minor changes.


[-] 2 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 6 years ago

Yes Ms McLaughlin is an amazing woman. What is it about Richmond, CA..... having both her and Chief Magnus? They're going to have to rewrite the book Profiles In Courage.

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

Well thank you.

[-] 4 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 6 years ago

Re. Pat Lynch, the PBA President; As I heard one guy say, "This man is emblamatic of what is wrong with the culture of law enforcement" in this country. My POV, he is a divisive ass!

An excerpt from one of Lynch's speeches after the deaths of the two police officers.

"There is blood on the hands of people who incite violence on the streets in the name of protest," and [then] Lynch said, "That blood starts on the steps of City Hall, in the office of the mayor."

People are in the streets protesting because of cops that are NOT held accountable for egregious acts of wrong-doing, and for having a perverse mind-set, like their union leader Lynch.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 6 years ago

15 Reasons America's Police Are So Brutal
Countering excessive force faces barriers every step of the way.
AlterNet / By Steven Rosenfeld

That unvarnished look reveals how hard it will be to reform out-of-control departments, whether in Cleveland, Staten Island, Ferguson, or elsewhere. Here are 15 excerpts from the DOJ’s Cleveland report showing how deeply embedded police brutality is, and why recent political rhetoric promising solutions barely scratches the surface.

[Three reasons missing: 1. Business Priority over People. 2. Steroids. 3. Kill the Prime Witness]


[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 6 years ago

Americans are just getting a nice taste of the type of government this really is, that the rest of the world already knows.

Its not like this is the first time this has happened (Kent State incidents abound in our history).

The government is in perpetual war overseas, military bases in over 100 countries, and now arming the police here to occupy this as well.

Enjoy your choices at the polls.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 6 years ago

5 Outrageous Right-Wing Reactions to the Tragic NYPD Shootings
Conservative pundits and pols blamed the tragedy on everyone from protesters to the president.

AlterNet / By Kali Holloway / December 22, 2014 |

Within hours after the tragic killing of two New York City police officers by one clearly disturbed individual, several conservative pundits and talking heads seized the opportunity to politicize the situation by blaming numerous groups and individuals, from protesters to the president. Here are five of the most outrageous reactions to the killings of NYPD officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos.


[-] 4 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 6 years ago

I've been doing some research as to when the Republican Party took a decided turn to the right, bringing the Democrats along with them. It's obvious to me that the Democrat sitting in the White House, who has presided over our empire aspirations, the break-up of Occupy camps and the militarization of our police forces... is far more right-wing than George Romney (Mitt's father) was. 1968 seems to have been the pivotal year, when our demise started. That to my estimation, was the year the Liberal Republican died, and the "Right-Wing" Democrat was born..


[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

You been doing research have you? Did you happen to come accross anything about the minimum wage? Could you find any difference between the Ds and the Rs on that? it seems to affect a lot of real people in their real lives or do you give a damn about reality? What does your research say about that? You know what my research says, it says that the GOP now have the largest majority in the House in over 83 years which they won in a race ran 3 years after OWS and the camps started so I guess OWS has had an affect, the affect of electing a bunch of GOP, we will see how that goes i guess after all those of us in the real world got no choice we got real lives to live.

[-] 4 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 6 years ago

The D vs R battles keep you busy, don't they? They're designed to do just that.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

While your "stick your head in the sand and pretend you can find no difference" game gives us Presidents like W Bush you must be so proud of how clever you are. Not falling into that "game' of opening your eyes and seeing quite a bit of difference between Al Gore and W Bush , but cleaver folks like you won't be fooled by your lieing eyes so you keep them closed.

You know it "kept me busy" for about two minutes that's how long it took to see that the GOP have one unifying mission to make the rich richer, after that it is just a matter of removing them all from office of course a consequence of that will be the complete collapse of the current system since, as folks like you often point out they depend completely on each other, and they can be brought down one leg at a time.

The reason it hasn't happen already is the movement is full of ego whores.

[-] 3 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 6 years ago

Slowing our demise by voting for more Dems might satiate you, but it will not bring us systemic change, or even reverse our down-hill slide.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

Allowing the footmen of the 1% to do whatever they wish because you are dispondate is just plain stupid.

If we removed the GOP from office, ALL the GOP and that could be done with a tiny bit of truth, everything would change in an instant. the dems would break apart faster than a house of cards, this bemoaning the system while taking no real action to change it is laziness nothing else really.

[-] 4 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 6 years ago

Occupy is about building a strong progressive movement, NOT about latching onto a corrupt duopoly entity like the Democrats or Republicans. Might you be happier amongst your peers there?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

So you have been designated as the one to restrict the actions of OWS? I did not get that memo, I had hoped there were people here who wanted to change the world now, not just sit around moaning as has been done for decades, I remember Nader back in 2000 he was saying everything I hear from the do nothing crowd on here. We all know what a great job Nader did helping to put W Bush into the White House and nearly 20 years later people are here, still doing it. Having the same effect as always the GOP now have the biggest majority in the House in over 80 years thanks to this 20 year old crap.

[-] 3 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 6 years ago

It is not being "restrict[ive]" of me for not wanting Occupy to get swallowed up by a duopoly party. Do you think that is so of you, in your insidious quest?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

Why do you have no confidence in OWS? You think it can change the world but the Democratic Party will swallow it up? You care nothing for the country just your own pride it is the ego of those afraid of being a "part of" the solution and instead they think they know best so they want to dictate the rules, many here like flip and shadz and beautiful world are simply Green Party political hacks wishing to co-opt OWS for their own sick ego driven party, people like that never give a damn about what happens, like the GOP being elected, all they care about their sick political ambitions.

You may be one of those or you may just be stupid.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

you are delusional among other things

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

So the guy who can't understand why when he, and others like him, talk shit about Dems all year long, don't vote or if they vote at all they make sure it doesn't hurt the GOP's chances, then the GOP wins and pass laws that make the rich richer, you're calling me delusional, flip do you ever take a look out of your asshole? You know in the real world people are sworn in and pass laws, have you heard about the real world or can you hear anything with your head so far up your ass?

and if you think all the GOP can't be removed you have no ideal how powerful the truth can be

[-] -1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

you can't handle the truth

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

If you mean by "the truth" you do a great job of electing Republicans, I don't think any of us can handle that truth very much longer, if it carries over to putting Jed in like you guys did W Bush it could be the end of everything, you may be right on that one none of us could handle that truth.

[-] -3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 6 years ago

are you easily deceived or full of shit?

I'll bet both!!

[-] 5 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 6 years ago

NO, I am not..."easily deceived or full of shit [!!]..," nor am I blind to the fact that both parties have been bought off, consequently BOTH share reponsibility for our facist-like demise.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 6 years ago

So, if Dem Max Baucus accepts money from Big Oil to stay in office and Dem Elizabeth Warren doesn't, are they in the same boat as the whole RepubiCon Cult being owned by the 1%???? Hmmmmmmm????

[-] -3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 6 years ago

Just why do you possibly think that the 1%, religious Right, NRA, Military Contractors, and Satan himself, exclusively supports the RepubliCon Cult??

[-] 2 points by pigeonlady (284) from Brooklyn, NY 6 years ago

Hey, kids, is there a way to start process to dump Lynch? He's a Bloomberg relic that stands in the way of police reform and eschews ethics for psycho grandstanding. There are usually citizen options. Or should we petition DeB?

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 6 years ago

He gives Unions a bad/dirty name, and it's sad. People hear so little about the superiority and benefits of ORGANIZED LABOR & COLLECTIVE BARGAINING ! Most Union leaders are accountable only to and by members. Though, as workplace democracies, they are susceptible to public outcry. But this Union is most likely influenced by the deep-pocket Owner Class. And Mr. Lynch most likely had a very Merry X-mas.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 6 years ago

A scary culture change: What new law enforcement rhetoric reveals about America
Cops all over the country are demanding "unequivocal support." Here's why an obsession with order is to blame

For those who’ve been following the ups and downs (mostly downs) of Bill de Blasio’s relationship with the NYPD, there was little about the officers’ response to the murder of two of their colleagues that was surprising. For a number of reasons, including his vocal opposition to stop-and-frisk and his public alliance with Rev. Al Sharpton, de Blasio was never popular among the force’s rank and file. Even before Officers Liu and Ramos were killed, the head of the cops’ union, the bombastic Patrick Lynch, was urging members to sign a petition asking the mayor not to attend their hypothetical funeral. He also accused de Blasio of foregoing responsible governance in favor of leading “a fucking revolution.” So when he said de Blasio had Liu and Romas’ blood on his hands, it was both heinous and more or less expected.


[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 6 years ago

Go away, Bill Kristol: Face of privilege spouts confusing mess on race in America
Polls show Americans think racial problems are worse since 2008, but that’s because they’re reckoning with reality

Tuesday, Dec 23, 2014 10:44 AM PST |
There are few ideas more specious than the notion that the election of President Obama marked the transition to a “post-racial” era in American history. So, of course, wrong-way Bill Kristol believed that, as he told radio host Hugh Hewitt Monday night. But, of course, that’s not all Kristol got wrong.