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Forum Post: AP Surveillance: 'Govts taking our rights away, not Al-Qaeda'

Posted 9 years ago on May 15, 2013, 3:28 a.m. EST by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm4IXhIHNuM Published on May 14, 2013 Up to a hundred reporters and editors at the Associated Press have been targeted, in a massive US government surveillance operation against the news service. AP is calling the monitoring network - created by the Justice Department itself - unprecedented in size and scope, and a gross violation of privacy. One consequence of this surveillance scandal is that whistleblowers will now think twice, before calling a news desk - that's according to investigative journalist and historian, Tony Gosling. READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/cut0yg



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[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23590) 9 years ago

We should be wondering what they are really up to while they throw these stories at us. I mean, is this really surprising? What are they really up to?

[-] 3 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 9 years ago

this is it we are approaching the end game. the fraud and criminality run so deep its all a sham and to keep it going they repression of information wholesale is about to begin. let us not forget they are legally allowed to propagandize us now.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23590) 9 years ago

Right, and so you are voted down for saying something so completely right. What a joke.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 9 years ago

this 10,000 man open carry march july 4th is what i am focused on. not going just watching what will happen. if i see what i expect could happen go down then..... well, enjoy these next few months cause our world is about to be turned upside down.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23590) 9 years ago

Well, okay, I think there will be problems if that takes place. Two wrongs never make a right and violence begets violence. And, let's face it, we are not allowed to peacefully protest in this country, unarmed, so good luck with openly carrying arms and protesting.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 9 years ago

like i said i will be watching.

[-] 3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

The Associated Press is angry that the Justice Department secretly seized phone records for several AP reporters and editors. The 1%-owned AP is more upset about the Justice Department under Obama getting a subpoena to look at their phone records than they were about the Justice Department under Bush looking at everybody’s phone records without a subpoena.


[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 9 years ago

I am not DEFENDING anything here -
but knowing what happened and understanding it is more important than drawing conclusions.

Is there anything below INACCURATE?

from chis hayes:

In May 2012, a British agent discovered a bomb plot in Yemen to blow up an American plane. Although the plot was stopped, the AP got the story via a leak. Co-operating with our government, the AP agreed to not publish it while Justice were investigating it. AP discovered that Justice was going to release the story on a certain day – and decided to release the story a day early. When this story was released by the AP, numerous senior republicans ranted and raved about how could Obama let this leak happen and demanded an investigation. Holder initiated a very substantial and legal investigation. The rules require that the press, if investigated, must be pre-notified so they can appeal to a judge to stop it – unless national security is at stake. It seems that a leak about an imbedded British double agent’s identity is that serious.

Because Holder understood that the investigation could lead to his testifying, he recused himself and turned over the investigation to an assistant AG who made the decisions. The Justice Department was not taping calls – it legally subpoenaed AP phone logs to try to find out how the info about the British double agent - who saved hundreds of lives - was leaked about this operation & got to who in the AP.

And a peripheral question-
If Holder goes, who do the Rs confirm -
Alberto Gonzales?
John Mitchell?

[-] 3 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 9 years ago

BULLSHIT! that is just a bunch of mainstream centrist corporate media spin. they are fucking out of control. what a sorry excuse for a journalist. holder is a piece of shit.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 9 years ago

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[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 9 years ago

you are the fucking troll.

[-] 0 points by lester06 (28) 9 years ago

They want to allow news by government handout only.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 9 years ago

there is a line that has been crossed i am afraid there is no going back.


[-] -1 points by linden (-16) 9 years ago

IF the msm engaged in investigative journalism, reported the news and not the administration agenda, there is a going back.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

This guy does.

He probably gets checked out all the time.


AP, does mostly press releases anyway.


[-] -3 points by linden (-16) 9 years ago

do you refuse to get the implication of what the administration did?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

The same things they've been doing since the (R)epelican'ts set precedent after Nixon?

Did you notice what the brothers Koch did?

[-] -2 points by linden (-16) 9 years ago

keep in the present. nixon is dead.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 years ago

The precedents formed under his administration are not dead.

Nor are the crimes put to rest.

Did you read the stuff from Palast?

It's quite present.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Ironic that the AP, who along with Rueters are at the heart of all of this disinformation and lack of real coverage, is now offended.

And around and around and around we go......straight down the toilet.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 9 years ago

not really ironic.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

Irony in that none posting mention ART5 and preparatory amendment.

This thread demonstrates the severe need to end the abridging of free speech. Freedom of the press has been under attack while speech was compromised by the Babylonian distortions of social lingo. Now it looks like the death blow to the press is underway

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 9 years ago

our best hope is a populist who can simply overwhelm the powers that be with his cult of personality. it is all we have left. here is to hoping for ceasar and praying we don't get nero.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 9 years ago

art5 is a pipe dream. you will never get state legislatures to go along with it. they will never bite the hand that feeds.

[-] -2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

Does not cognit. Thread is about rights, ART5 is the ultimate tool for influence over federal government. At least that is the ideal.

Alter or abolish is the ideal of ART5, are you giving up on that?

[-] -2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

If a the state legislation is that unconstitutional, impeach them.

Does that mean our rights are pipe dreams too?

If I'm not mistaken state taxes are supposed to feed them. Do the 99% have control over state legislators? Do you want that control or are ytou ready to give it up?

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 9 years ago

you are funny. the state legislators are in bed even deeper with corruption than at the federal level.

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

So you give up enforcing rights? You won't use law that putss the 99% in control? The elites love you.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 9 years ago

don't make me laugh. we were on the verge of a populist revolt in the 1930's and they subverted it by giving the people just enough, just the minimum to keep their capitalist game going and behind the scene ever since they have been angling and plotting for the grand take over and guess what it is here and we are here with our pants down. if you think anyone profiting from the system will ever turn on it you are either naive or you don't understand human behavior.

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 9 years ago

Do you think that everyone thinks like you think?
That revolt was not based in preservation of rights and freedom as guaranteed by the constitution. It was simply against the elite control,

In 1911, the requisite state applications had been made, (31 for 48 states), for an ART5, but congress violated the law, the constitution and their oath.

We need our first constitutional right.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

They are both so far gone its not even worth debating.

That being said at the core of all of this is the people's unwillingness to grab this thing by the horns.

The dissatisfaction is there (10% approval rating) but the action isnt. Must be something in the water. Prob literally. :)