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Forum Post: Amero-exit

Posted 3 months ago on July 29, 2019, 5:05 a.m. EST by grapes (5232)
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We Americans have our Blue Origin -- Big Blue O 0 -- nucleosynthesizing and then banging in Sol's primordial neighborhood. We all came from bangs. Proof persists in molybdenum's presence in one of our bodies' most important metabolic enzymes. What does the light spectrum of "the star in a jar" tell us about the chemical elemental composition of the lightgiver? Is the latter xenon from the air? If we know so much about the stars in the sky, we should be able to focus our research to find out about what is happening in a dark room's "star in a jar."

Spherical collapses are involved in a number of very energetic phenomena such as ball lightnings (some radioactive carbon-14 evidence exists of transmuting the nitrogen in the air; Fukushima and Chernobyl nuclear-reactor-incident sites should still be demonstrating live how to make carbon-14 ember or soot out of the nitrogen in the air by irradiation,) plutonium-compression bombs, and neoliberal fake-money economies' bubble-popping.

Most peoples and their associated economies are easily addicted to fake money (credit and debts.) Our mega-teapee has recently been addicted to it on quite an ultimate level, too. The collapse of the U.S. dollar's reserve currency status will be very ugly. The Brits' pound sterling went down that terrible path before. Yep, it's the Anglo-boom so it'll be the Anglo-bust, if we go hog-wild during booming periods. Collapse in confidence is nearly instantaneous.

Last time around, the U.S. Congress held back against the collapse in confidence to slow it globally but who has the heft to save the U.S. itself? We don't have a Big Brother next door as Mexico did during the Mexican-peso crisis. We need to climb onto the back of a Big Brother to ferry us across "the Skeleton Pit." Who's our Big Brother?

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[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2390) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

real AND as imaginary as can be depending on how real its recipients take it to be.

I want people to focus on the imaginary aspect of money. I want everyone to see that money is being used to enslave with debt and steal real land, buildings and other material things from us and to control the services we sell to live. I want people to know that there is the potential to move goods and services by other abstract means than money. ... that money is used to control us and take the products of our labors from us.

I don't want to play the game of the billionaire Wall St oligarch owners and I want people to be less equivocal about the evil of debt peonage. I want want you luke warm people to quit your apologetic bullshit in defense of the system and get on the bus or get the fuck off and shut up!!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 months ago

I'm not defending the system. What prevents "the other abstract means" from being abused, in the same way as money has been? Many things have been used before as substitutes for money and they have worked and failed in various ways.

I don't know what your "other abstract means" may be so I can't comment. I can only comment on what my parents told me about the wars, hyperinflation, and revolutions which they had lived through (I marvel at how I've come to be, being so unlikely in the odds; I'm amazed that Dad was intuned with significant world events and made some great decisions and moves; our family took big gambles, but always trying to leave sufficient reserve to fight again on another more opportune day, having been refugees multiple times but we only took big educated gambles.) Some things are worse substitutes for money because human greed and avarice come with us whatever means we choose to use. Who creates fake money nowadays? Most states do that to inflate away their debt obligations.

Like the Roman centurion who asked for help from Jesus, I know that Jesus doesn't need to come physically into my house. The Word he bears and utters suffices. What's a signet ring for? What does a snap of a finger mean? It's for and it means what the sender and receiver have agreed to, however consequential or inconsequential that may be.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2390) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

I hear nothing but the excuses of a system apologist. If we fail to use an abstract means to oppose evil, a real and violent one will do the job. The outcome has as much probability to improve our lot as it does to make things worse. Try to be less predictably apologetic and loyal to a system that values the freedom to enslave, whether by "agreement" meaning contract, or by more violent means if necessary.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 months ago

Propose the abstract means and its pros and cons so that we can evaluate it. I learnt as a primary school pupil the saying, "Look before you leap!" Yeah, headroom was important. We are all jumping shrimp in a frying wok but there's a saying, "Don't jump from the wok into the fire." We do have a choice in which direction we jump. Imperfect humans can asymptotically achieve a near-perfect institution. If it doesn't work, we'll try something else using the great American Edison method. It's largely true that "the impossible [such as doing away with all of those telephone cables with better and more efficient communication links] takes a bit longer."

For example, at the inception of Magna Carta, the noblemen decided not to chop off the head of their king. In Norway, the triumph of labor in government did not lead to the persecution of the well-off class. Both the Magna Carta and Norway are brilliant examples of moderation leading to better outcomes. The French Revolution was extremely violent and I think that even the French themselves had scared themselves. The Revolutionary who became the emperor, Napoleon Bonaparte, had banned the now-French National Anthem for a while.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2390) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

Until there's a consensus about the need for a change, the means is a moot point. We can only continue the enlightenment until a critcal mass of opposition to the evil is achieved. Then a means will reveal itself. At this point, any discussion of means to achieve an end is premature. It only distracts from the need for change that must be repeated over and over until it penetrates the thick skulls of the victims of the system. They remain in denial of the fact that they've been conditioned and socialized as slaves. You can't tell them to rise up and overthrow, by any means whatever, masters that they're too obtuse to know they have.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 months ago

As a kid, I understood my Big Brother's explanation of inflation. I expect that 90% of Americans who are above-average American intelligence can understand inflation. Of course, I may be expecting too much of my fellow Americans who may follow our leading climate (which requires the understanding of averages) asylum seeker to go to Bedminster, New Jersey. I hope that our dopey caravan doesn't end up in Warminster. We need Stormy Daniels' gravitational help! Sucking power can save the World.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2390) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

90% of Americans who are above-average American intelligence

If 90% are above average at 1.1 x avg, then close to ten percent must be about 0.01 x average intelligence. This is only likely in Lake Wobegon, where all the children are above average.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 months ago

It's our self rating. Most of us are the "Win, Win, Win winners." We don't want to appear as the "Lose, Lose, Lose losers." It's on the edge of incredulity but it works as the magical power of "positive thinking."

Red China's Chairman Mao ¿had a saying or a joke? that if all of the people of Red China climbed up to a place three-feet high from the ground and jumped down simultaneously on his command, the earthquake waves thus generated would devastate the U.S.A. The U.S.A. would be finished! (Mao was such a smart guy, right? Wrong, a woman. What would happen to Red China where the epicenter of the earthquake would be?)

Yeah, right on, brother! I quiver in fear at the thought of the Great Wall of flesh and blood built by the bodies of the Chinese volunteers machine-gunned by the U.S. in North Korea (which has been abridged in a revisionist move in its updated national anthem but Mao's portrait was still prominently displayed despite its proper residence being a museum.. I generally dislike hero/idol worship; a salient phrase from the constitution may work better.)

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2390) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

It will conclude one way or another. If we convince enough people to use some non-violent abstract solution - great! If we let things proceed without intelligent guidance - ie the invisible hand - then the ending will be bloody.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 3 months ago

It's already bloody elsewhere in Moscow. Why will Russia even need yet another Presidential election until the chamber pot keels over? Remember that there is always a choice to press "the Big Red Button" to "engage" the pootinium-clad toadstool with the chamber pot in a teapee. We need to launch a Congressional investigation into our mega-teapee's interfering with Russia's elections barring the un-shitcan-approved candidates. We have sanguine prospect with our "Popular wisdom given by our mega-teapee's foreskin."

There will be a lot of "food-taster" jobs created by the oligarchs soon. Rus' interfering with Hong Kong using "strange logic" may get blowback.

Leaking human rights' abuses scares all authoritarian regimes ripe for regime change. When will the regimes be "safe"? Duh, it's obvious: having no humans will make human rights a non-issue, won't it? During the Tet Offensive in Vietnam, a U.S. Army major said it very well, "It became necessary to destroy the town to save it." Killing humans in order to defend human rights is ethical. Hostage rescuers agree with this or else they wouldn't be doing rescues risking killing humans. It'll take the spirit of Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders to get under the skin of the honeypot of Fuckgina. Toadstool is simply too wimpy to penetrate. Don't you know that toadstool doesn't just grow on any common thing? What's an owner of a flying brothel? It's actually just a real-estate developer of a special honeypot kind working for the honey badgers. "Occupy honeypot" is tantric nirvana for most males aside from the gay ones.

Of course, the U.S. has in more recent decades suffered "defeat after defeat" by withdrawing its troops eventually, leaving the people there alone (the U.S. did come back in some cases such as after General MacArthur's famous vow to return to the Philippines before his escaping to Australia or the U.S. troops returning to Iraq to fight ISIL's onslaught after its conquering Mosul and overrunning much of Iraq.) Think about what else the U.S. could have done if it didn't want to keep the lands it had conquered and become a de-facto empire. It's not that the U.S. hadn't tried before to kill off the undesirable people and keep the lands to form an empire. However, for the U.S., Colonialism is no longer cool.

Yeah, the U.S. has to deal with its somewhat imperialist and colonialist past such as Puerto Rico (saying a sorry to Spain, the former-colonizer country, is in order; Teddy Roosevelt had a bull-moose streak in his character, perhaps from Bushido) but it's up to Puerto Rico's people to decide whether they want to become our fifty-first state or not. They as U.S. citizens already have free access to the U.S. mainland (decades ago, I went to school with some of them so it's true that they were pretty much free to come and go just like most others) but their citizenship rights are indeed a little bit abridged without getting statehood (e.g. having no Senators to represent them.) Well, at least they can say with clear conscience that they didn't participate in creating our 2016-election fiasco which is still roiling to this very day.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2390) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

Money is imaginary. It represents real goods and material services. It is not a thing. If all the money disappeared tomorrow, all the things would still be here. We'd need only a new abstract [imaginary] means to move them from place to place where they are needed.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 months ago

Money was invented as a symbol for real things. It can be as real AND as imaginary as can be depending on how real its recipients take it to be.

I see money in a similar way as I see Mathematics. Is Mathematics real or imaginary? It's very real in the hands of the physicists and the engineers who strive to make contact with the real physical world. Mathematics in the hands of the financial product makers can be very real as well as very imaginary depending on whether the products track the real physical world.

In January 2007, the U.S. real estate market was already in a slump but almost all of the financial product makers were still pumping out shit-laced financial Caesar's salad for global sale. They were taking chances that the fake money would bail them out. To a certain extent, they were correct. The Feds shored up the house of cards for a long enough period to let the new stringent bankruptcy law to kick in before letting the cards eventually fall in a game of chicken with Lehman Brothers. How did the financial industry know to lobby for and get the new stringent bankruptcy law? They saw that the bankruptcy rates had gone up so they wanted to be able to go after deadbeats in more ways.

Robert Schiller sounded an early alarm in 2005 wondering how people could afford to pay their mortgages with their stalled incomes. It's a topological navigational call which cannot be realized as long as everyone still believes in the trend of ever-rising real-estate asset values. A lot of on-paper wealth was created and mentally enjoyed but.. someday, sometime, somewhere.. oops! "Now we must kill the messenger. Shhh, it's a coup d'état!" This phenomenon occurred in Tokyo's real-estate market before Japan's extremely prolonged economic slump.

My experience is that financial products could NEVER track the real physical world perfectly. However, we must try if we want to receive the benefits of virtualization. Money is a financial product which can be used and abused. There is real money and fake money. Unwarranted creation of new money creates fake money which must eventually be settled with human sacrifice and blood in wars and revolutions.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 months ago

I found what's at stake in an Amero-exit: the peoplequake epicenter of the ¿saying or joke? of Mao's from which tsunami waves would cross the Pacific Ocean to devastate the U.S.A. (Seattle is doomed.) Some Chinese have already jumped down from a place three-feet-high from the ground. Simultaneity to jump at Mao's command is lost. Besides, Mao is dead.

Does it look at all like a still-"developing" (for WTO trading advantages) ¿arctic? (for resource grabbing via trying to elbow into the Arctic Council) country or is it really being governed by a power-hungry sex-curious teenager with raging hormones? Is it a pubescent-girl babysitter playing as a self-stripping doctoress? Yeah, I see some cleavage but wasn't army-delivered "overseas baby formula" still necessary? Where the hell is the big dick of James Bond when she needs to be fucked? Jupiter pair-dancing with Momma Saturn and having been dragged out by his ear-handle beyond the graveyard belt to the outer solar system leaves a yawning knowledge gap of Mars craving to be filled.

Hong Kongers are getting the knack of using human shields: tens of thousands of U.S. nationals are still stuck in Hong Kong. If they get murdered by the PLA, there'll be widespread hell to pay (Red China's premature-before-2047 and insidious usurpations of Hong Kong's governance will backfire Bigly.) Love from the U.S. for all. "Here we go again."

Red China has almost always recommended dialogues for the U.S. to deal with global issues. Now it's its turn. Why isn't it telling its puppet regime in Hong Kong to talk with these still-largely peaceful demonstrators? Dialogue, dialogue, and dialogue. Drink much tea in a powwow will in short order get y'all the urge, not to embezzle any of what is God's. "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's. Give to God what is God's."

Hong Kong's prosperity is not just a local issue due to its global linkages. Can you see from this earlier video why things started getting out of hands? Who were retreating into the train? Who were continuing to attack? Generally, when one side is retreating and the other side is continuing to chase to attack, the side chasing to attack is prolonging the conflict. When Imperial Japan was defeated in WWII, its withdrawing soldiers were largely spared revenge by the peoples of the lands they had occupied.

The two most important bonds for people to join together as one are language and culture. Hong Kongers mostly speak Cantonese while the Red Chinese speak Mandarin so the native speakers of each can't understand each other well (hmm, why shouldn't Red China just open up Shenzhen next door for Hong Kongers more because Shenzhen's people speak Cantonese?) Culturally, Hong Kong has been a city engaged in global trade ever since the 1860s but the Red Chinese are at most since 1979 (it's true that before the Communist takeover of 1949, there was also global trade but a 30-year gap is quite enough to lose a whole generation.) Worse yet, Red China went through the Cultural Revolution which had wiped out a huge portion of the traditional culture (yet another generation of youngsters) while the opening to the World in 1979 substituted in its place the "get-rich-quick the-end-justifying-the-means-Maoist" ethos. Merging the two is a very tough task. Besides, Beijing is very crude, primitive, and heavy-handed in its governing skills (battletank diplomacy) because of its political arbitrariness and having broken many promises. Red China needs to make Hong Kongers feel good about joining it rather than being bullied by it. Shenzhen didn't suffer this pent-up (for 12+ years) rage although it was growing in a quasi-"one country, two systems" fashion while it's butting up against Hong Kong. This is why Leftism and its associated heavy-handed political arbitrariness [in bullying] must be defeated. Trump 2020!

A de-facto annexation accompanied by the gratitude of the annexed people isn't coercion. It's democracy. Our family brought democracy to our de-facto adopted Grandma's cistern full of mosquito larvae (which were very cute micro-submarines!) She liked to have the clean potable municipal water provided to her in her cistern (which became de-facto ours because she's just our Grandma.) Provision of that water is "socialist" but not Leftist. Families tend to be "socialist."