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Forum Post: A record-high amount of first-year ice.

Posted 3 years ago on May 4, 2018, 10:33 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ
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An updated assessment of ice age changes through the first nine weeks of 2018 shows there was essentially no multiyear ice within the Beaufort, Chukchi, East Siberian, Laptev, Kara and Barents Seas in early March (Figure 4b). There is only a small tongue of second-year ice extending from near the pole towards the New Siberian Islands. Near the pole, there are large patches of first-year ice among the multiyear ice. As averaged over the Arctic Ocean (Figure 4d), the multiyear ice cover during week nine has declined from 61 percent in 1984 to 14 percent in 2018, the least amount of multiyear ice recorded. In addition, only 1 percent of the ice cover is five years or older, also the least amount recorded. This is rather striking since September 2017 did not set a new record low minimum extent. The proportion of first-year versus multiyear ice in spring will largely depend on the amount of open water left at the end of summer over which first-year ice forms. How much ice is transported out of the Arctic through Fram Strait in winter also plays a role. The unusually high amount of first-year ice this March suggests that there was a strong Fram Strait ice export this past winter. Given that (in the absence of ridging) first-year ice grows to about 1.5 to 2 meters (4.9 to 6.6 feet) thick over a winter season, the ice age data point to a fairly thin ice cover. Nevertheless, how much ice melts out this coming summer will depend strongly on summer weather conditions."


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[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 3 years ago

Does that include the melting Russian Tundra? I love your idealism but the world is fucked and heading for entropy. Facts no longer matter. What matters is brawn.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

idealism? do you think "record amount of first year ice" is a good thing?

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 3 years ago

I think melting ice and tundra is bad...I think explaining it does no good. Kid says to bully but I need my lunch money to eat and my parents are very poor...bully says? Facts don't matter and takes it regardless of all logical explanation and has no conscience. His brawn bashes all logic and reason. So how does one fight bullies who enjoy destroying Earth and have no reason fairness or empathy?

Americans high carb diets make them slow...they hardly read even if they have time. They don't watch documentaries. They follow. We are in a minority. I hate to tell you...you can't win it this way. You aren't speaking the language and don't grasp the culture. Read up on narcissism some and you will understand...you can't change them or appeal to logic. They live in a world where logic reason have no impact...what effects them period they create their own reality. "What's in it for me" is the only thought process. You can't sway them. You have to fight back. Stop doing defense and charts etc. We need offense. We need world boycotts we need propaganda. SHAME ...that is possibly the only way in to a narcissist. Shame people. Humiliate them for their actions...call them out make them infamous. Narcissists are extremely good at self preservation albeit while destroying the larger organism. And very good at making their enemies the bad guy or crazy one. Watch...learn...copy: fight fire with fire.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 3 years ago

More then boycotts and propaganda you need a majority. You don't have that for the difficult work, only for when it's convenient for people.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

over 80% in 2011 supported the concept that wealth inequality was too great, if we had pointed out the efforts of the GOP to enhance wealth inequality a great deal could have been done, but the founders were too busy saying there are good people on both sides.....

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

sorry I got bored....

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 3 years ago

Definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result. That's you. Keep explaining your facts the GOP is well aware and they do not care. As much as we can't get that through to you, you can't get your facts through to them. Thus the nature of narcissistic spectrum disorders.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

you mean like voting for Greens and watching the GOP win? that kind of insanity? Some people been doing that for decades.

I'm not here to "convince" the GOP I'm here to kill the GOP.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 3 years ago

The only way to kill the GOP or any corrupt politician is to kill their backers with nationwide boycotts?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

or rally public support to vote them out of office?

or both?

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 3 years ago

I don't believe democrats ( also funded by major multinational conglomerates are the answer) I voted for Obama the first time ...but I think he sold out the working class how much of Bush insanity damage did he undo? He bailed out banks and didn't hold them to account. Knowledge is the most powerful tool of the masses and the internet is arguably the new Library of Alexandria. He bid out the government rf spectrum to verizon comcast and at&t and then allowed them to charge us for entry to something we already owned. Hillary also didn't speak out on behalf of net neutrality and in fact was in high support of giant telecom. Just because someone is a democrat doesn't make them pure as the driven snow. We must watch what our politicians -all of them - do. It is our job to protect our democracy and not give those we elect our automatic trust. There is far too much money moving this entire economic and political beast we call a government. Questioning our leaders is the most patriotic thing one can do. Blind trust is what gets us into trouble. The world isn't always safe or good and it is a hard thing to accept. But fitting the world to alleviate fear ( like ther is a good side you can join) leads us into the very dangers we seek to avoid. And it comes down to our control of our own lives and free will. Will we give that away so we can have the illusion we have that and create an imaginary reality that just isn't true? Seems we as humans do that quite often. And it is something we have to be self analytical and watchful of.

I also think our pyschological makeups arent inately evil or good we are complex beings whose brains develop according to our environments in ways that aren't necessarily even our fault. But it is our responsibility and job to fight our own minds. We have to scrutinize ourselves and be willing to say I may not be clear. There are ways to do that which is a lifelong ongoing process. Humans are flawed all of us. But we are also capable of miraculous beautiful things. Those two things exist at the same time and within each of us individually.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

so basically you're saying you're okay with letting the GOP win and run everything.....

you see I think getting involved in Democratic primaries and electing more liberals is a better idea...

Did you need me to refresh your memory on my posts DURING the primaries?

So you were working for a Romney presidency? more on that in a minute, look you want me to talk about Obama I will, he won't be on the ballot again, all I got to say is no bankers went to jail and he is the only President in my lifetime not to raise minimum wage....

but getting back to Romney I encourage you to seek out and watch the entire video taken at his fund riser the way the rich talk behind closed doors is enlightening...

I understand that many people are upset without winner take all two party system, I am not happy with our healthcare system, i think it should be single payer, but being unhappy with the system don't keep me from seeing a doctor, we have a system where we have choice on election day between two people, you may not like that system but not liking it don't change it, if you can't dig in and find some difference between the two choices then you are just saying you don't care who wins and what happens doesn't matter.....the work to change things is in the primaries...

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 3 years ago

The work to change things is in the candidates that run. Big money is the problem we need publicly backed elections. We need to stop super pacs and get move to amend corp personhood on the ballot for voters to vote on in every state. Perhaps Bernie would have had a shot then. And who the hell backed Romney? I was on here ranting about that insane anti working ckass fucko I hate him with a seething passion. How on earth is your brain making these connections? Did I say shit about Romney?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

you said in 2012 you prefered Romney over Obama

here's how you change things..


and if you recall I was here during the primaries posting in support of Bernie but were you? was Shadz? AGK? no they were too afraid he might win and then they would be forced to support a Democrat, as long as people do stupid shit like that the GOP will keep winning....

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2514) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 years ago

Most Americans are complacent. Some more than others. It will take a lot to awaken them. For a majority or a large plurality of them to awaken to the danger of our corporatist government, it will, sadly, have to get a lot worse than it is today.

That's a fact that disturbs the awake and aware.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

were you "awake" while you were electing Trump?

We both agree Bernie would have been better why weren't you here posting in support of Bernie, were you asleep?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

I've been awake for some time that's why I was here posting in support of Bernie during the primaries...

I think we got a lot of people sleeping through the primaries and we need to wake their asses up..


[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 3 years ago

Romney as President would have been tougher with the banksters by breaking up the megabanks because the man has both character and experience dealing with tough choices. He's more of a brave fireman type who rushes in and takes charge of the situation. I doubt very much that he would have allowed Syria to deteriorate to its terrible present state. Unlike our Bush-it and bullshit, his team was probably ready to roll right after his inauguration.

Bullshit was good for "The Apprentice" entertainment. He was very influential on our kid. When we were shopping for furniture, my young kid spied a big tall-back black-leather executive chair, hopped onto it, spun it all the way around a few times, then pointed the index finger in turn, at us and the store clerk, and shouted, "You are fired! And you. And you!" We were shocked. The store clerk froze with a gaping mouth. I suppose that we shouldn't run our administration quite like comer pavo Sarah Palin's redundant death panel because we already have a de facto insurance-company-run death panel. I was haunted by my remembrance of an incidence of a total blackout due to someone practicing martial-art moves around a huge red button with steel fins protecting it on both the left and the right side. What if that WERE the button that our bullshit had touted as being bigger and more powerful! Does he know Taekwando well? Yikes!

Due to its sordid history of uncontrollable forces, both natural and man-made, Indonesia was NOT a good place to grow up to learn to be the leader of the free world. One learnt to be a masochist which suited well a President with the nerves of steel to tolerate and work around the traitorous opposition Retard-I-Can party in the Congress but passivity didn't get much done even though his own party had controlled BOTH chambers of the Congress. The Demonkrapts were just too parochial and corporate-possessed to get anything great done.

Mormon upbringing to excel and outshine due to the shameful and social-outcast history is much better for getting things done. "The fourth, the fifth/ The minor fall The major lift"

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 3 years ago

Romney is the king of downsizing and dividends trading. He hates and despises the working class. He is a villain of Nazi proportions and he is good at believing his own lies. He loves monopolies and the MNC...he is an outsource and insource corporate bootlicking scum sucker. And that is all I can say because just discussing him raises my blood pressure. At least I can have fun watching Trump mentally erode in front of the public as his narcissistic injuries come to full boil on stage and watching various advisers and politicians change his minds for him like a fucking wheel of fortune game...I'm waiting for the breakdown. I so hopey he starts smashing things...oh boy! Afternoon delight!

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 3 years ago

Good governance is Not about how entertaining the effects of the often boring, grimy, and sometimes sordid tasks are. People may fancy how great it is to be inside of a boardroom lording it over "the peasants" but it seems to be more like a laundry/toilet operation.

Yeah, that same old toilet bowl is plugged up again. How can we teach our women Not to flush tampons down there? Hmm, is our G.I. Joe successfully scoring out there? We found Unused condoms in his pockets! Oh, we have just incurred paternity liability from our very successful Pussy Grabber. How does that affect our balance sheet? Ahh, we have a bigger and more urgent problem before we should worry about that. Our beloved pussy grabbed so much of our toilet paper that Venezuela hated us for wasting good old Americana, Not to mention "The Kid" screaming his head off for help sitting on his throne after doing his thing. Okay, tell him not to flush until the loo-cavalry of the Earth Pollution Agency can get there to whipe his sordid ass off and hand him a big new roll of sooty Americana. "Don't leave home without it," said American "Express." I'm so glad that the pussy hasn't learnt how to flush the toilet or commit auto-waterboarding yet because we haven't heeded the Lord's command to build our Ark of ConVenance. I told you-All that New Orleans was built in that toilet's flood plains. Remember that Bush-it just flew over it letting [Michael] Brownie (who couldn't even qualify for our cub scouts' operations) take charge there. Our washing machine is singing Louisiana Saturday Night again.

I frankly think being eaten alive by horse-flies and mosqu-ito-es while fishing in a mountain stream is funner than operating the laundry/toilet.

Geoduck said, "campaign with poetry; govern with prose." There is truth there. Government is Not about entertainment ( I admit that I was guilty of watching "The Apprentice" but my young kid seemed to have learnt how to be "shocking, positively shocking.") It's about serving our people.

However, entertainment wherever one can find it is pleasurable and good.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

did you watch the entire tape? you know the one at the fundraiser?

You do know OWS is about REDUCING wealth inequality right?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 3 years ago

No, I didn't watch the entire tape. I got a tidbit of it from the news. Yes, I know that OWS is about REDUCING wealth inequality but I know enough from history that the simple-minded pursuit of that goal will Not get us there in reasonably palatable conditions.

It may seem that redistributing wealth is a quick and easy way to reduce wealth inequality but people have memories which will affect their future behaviors. It's a problem that has a feedback loop so it is NOT a linear problem. Extremists don't get this and drive their societies into the ditches for many years or even decades. I am aware of the dangers of both high wealth inequality and wealth redistribution so I am radical in aim but moderate in means. We cannot get to "The Promised Land" by leaving half of our people behind in "The Wilderness!" We'll get there but maybe after all of our generation has passed away but does that matter when we are writing our will? By definition, No.

Think of why there is this recent clash about Jerusalem. Millennia-OLD memories still endure for eternal? wars. Holy, Holy, Holy! Lord God Almighty! Allahu Akbar! Hallelujah! Adolf Hitler would have been an ardent Zionist.



前進進 !

Der Firlefanz sagte: 无治宜发

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

okay here's one thing we could do, tax the wealthy and use the money to provide single payer health care, this would have many benefits including reducing wealth inequality....



[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 3 years ago

Everyone is connected to "the shithole."

"Working with partners and responding early and in a coordinated way will be vital to containing this deadly disease," Christians are still numerous in the World because diseases had killed off many ancient Romans who didn't care about "the others." Christ was "the land of the free and the home of the brave" when caring for the sick, old, poor, and down-trodden. Christians had higher survival rates.

Walls have their place, too, as the Arabs/Muslims had proven centuries ago in Baghdad, by inventing quarantines and hospitals to care for these people. Muslims had higher survival rates.

The reptiles invented eggs so their embryos can survive on dry land. The mammals invented milk, fur, and in vivo (intra-body) incubation. Humans invented supra-body incubation: prolonged childhood/adolescence in families and education. The happiest societies tend to the needs of the people ( Not the private [often in Switzerland, the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, Cyprus, and/or offshore away from their own home country--New York is probably receiving at least some of this torrent of eurodollar/dark money, too, because it's such a great financial capital of the world; so is London, the British offshore tax havens figure prominently perhaps to cater to the highly 'privileged' Americans] bank accounts of the powerful and corrupt ).

Discovery of oil in some places trigger civil wars but in others general prosperity. Its being blessing or curse hinges on the cultures and social systems. Inheritance or new-found wealth often triggers familial feud.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

you heard someone was spouting gibberish and you were all like I can do that too....you're the king of gibberish grapes....

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 3 years ago

I'm just emulating our two major political parties which dispense "gold with American characteristics"--bullshit gilted with polyurethane.

Polyurethane can be cheaply made after a night of debauchery drinking too much wine ( "Yes, I can!" because I'm grapes rotting after the trampling to make the vintage of wrath as commanded by our Lord ) and having to piss into the leftover wine in the wine bottle. Shake it, mix it, and apply it to the steamy hot bullshit of the Cesspool to give it a golden sheen with American characteristics. We must use the bottle because American cops may give us a Dick Chainy if we are caught, unlike the very understanding Bobbies ( the truly great representatives of 'The Crown' who also grasp the very subtle difference between a rape and a ceratic 'classe affaire' in the street! ).

I have the following two problems with your bestowing on me the title of 'king of gibberish':

  1. No citizen of these united states shall bear a hereditary title. I am a U.S. citizen and 'king' is a hereditary title so I cannot accept being 'king'. However, gold with American characteristics loves to so 'The Clown' is perfectly acceptable ( it's Not mined from Can?ya or the man-eating STI cannabis Kiloweight!yeah ) although 'The Crown' is not.
  2. High 'Gibberish' is the official American-English dialect spoken on the twin pillars of Hercules at the gateway to the New Atlantis. The Hindus have their sacred cows, so on Gypaltar we have our sacred Barbary Marquise. When we illegally offer them our juicy peaches on the Gyp=altar, we must chant in high Gibberish because my Dad said that they were representatives of 'The Clown' and only love 'tongues' ( otherwise they may steal just about anything they can get away with; the American South produces many peaches with soft fuzzy fur so we offer them while chanting the incantation in high Gibbberish ) and gold with American characteristics.
[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

yeah God forbid anybody would try to change this shit....

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

when this forum started there were at least a half dozen thinkers on here if the founders had realized what they had instead of sitting in a circle feeding their egos things could have been very different....

[-] 0 points by JPB950 (2254) 3 years ago

You're right, but unfortunately that's human nature and things are not likely to turn out any different if there is a next time.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

there are many people who understand ego and are willing to teach, the founders of OWS were infected, but there is The Resistance, and Resist, and other groups that are moving to take over the Democratic Party and so far they seem to be doing pretty well, I do believe everywhere except here on this co-opted forum the Greens are totally dead, thank God...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago
[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8300) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

“I’ve been on record saying that it may be 2030 that we could see a seasonally ice-free Arctic Ocean,” said Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center. “Some people have said that that’s too aggressive, that we’re looking at maybe sometime in the 2040s. But we are definitely on track to lose that summer sea ice cover. Honestly, I don’t think there’s any going back at this point.”