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No War, Not Now, Not Ever

Posted 7 years ago on Aug. 31, 2013, 1:14 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
Tags: obama, syria, assad, war

The “No War With Syria” movement denounces the complete disregard of the government of the United States for the will of the American people as reflected in the government's decision to start yet another war. The movement in no way support the actions of the Assad regime, but we recognize that US intervention will instigate more violence and suffering in Syria. As the U.S. is already hurting from a recession and perpetual wars, becoming involved in Syria will only create further destabilization in the Middle East and strip the people of the United States of desperately needed resources. The “No War With Syria” movement recognizes that the only the American people can stop U.S. intrusion in the Middle East, just as only the people of the Middle East can stop their own internal struggles.

We call on everyone to join us in saying no to yet another U.S. invasion. We recognize that peace cannot be reached through bombs, drone attacks, and murder; peace is created through compassion and forgiveness, which must come from within. Please join us as we gather across the country to begin a campaign to stop the United States government from invading Syria.



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[-] 10 points by Nevada1 (5843) 7 years ago

Thank You OWS. Big success in Parliament------We must do the same in Congress.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

''Is Attacking Syria Necessary For US National Security ?'', by Glenn Greenwald :

fiat lux ...


[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

make sure you don't kill his grand daughter by collateral like we did with Gaddafi

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 7 months ago

So guess what? "Ike Was Right!'', by Eric Margolis:

ad iudicium?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Gawd - poor thing - I hope she looks like her mom..........just sayin....

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 8 months ago

''US Weapons Makers See Stocks Surge, As Trump Moves Closer To A War With Iran'':

cave - bellum se ipsum alet!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 8 months ago

''MLK Jr. Warned That the Poor Pay for War With Their Lives'' by Nicholas Powers:

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

''Coronavirus Is Exposing How Foreign Crusades Bled America’s Domestic Resources Dry'', by Murtaza Hussain:

From which - ''Even after two decades of nearly unmitigated strategic failure in the Middle East coupled with the disastrous self-harm of unchecked defense spending ... it seems that significant portions of the U.S. elite have still not awoken from their intoxication with foreign wars of choice. Amid global pandemic that could kill millions and cripple the American economy for years to come .. there are strong signs that the U.S. military might be ordered to embark on yet another war in Iraq, this time to fight Iranian-backed militias in that country whose ambitions are ultimately local to the region.'' +further to the link above, NB

spero meliora ...

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 5 months ago

There's no escaping inherited karma so if Iran wants to continue to kill or maim U.S. nationals directly or via proxies, the fight must go on until the parties get tired of it. I have no problem at all in defending our armed forces anywhere in the whole world.

For us, the choice of guns or butter is unnecessary. It's really for us both guns and butter, no choice between them being absolutely necessary. I personally don't like guns { my Big Brother had bought me a light assault carbine with which I didn't play much, considering it as a boring light-and-noise-maker; the slide rule was far more exciting and interesting } and my Dad hated them, too, but he went through without much choice the Battle of the Atlantic ( sunk and became POW in Westertimke, Germany ), the Pacific War ( no good idea about where he was but I can guess that he had been all over the ocean and definitely in Hawaii { as he talked of the shock which came with the day that would live in infamy and tried to teach me on a day the hula while pulling up the sides of the legs of his loose-fitting pajamas and related the Big Boys' Club's oral story about the "open" secret of the "grass skirts" which we lacked but were necessary to do the holy dance, native justice } and gained some lifelong U.S. friends ), and the Korean Conflict ( in or near Greater Yokohama { color-painted-and-faded black-and-white photograph of him in front of the Great Buddha in Kamakura }, Japan, supporting the U.S. Occupation of Japan which was where the military operations on the Korean Peninsula had been directed from; the firing of General MacArthur was a traumatic shock, maybe due to MacArthur's plan to cross the Yalu River and use nuclear bombs if necessary to finish off the Chinese Communists who were backed up and armed by the Soviet Union ). When he was caught up in these wars, it was due to inherited karma so he had to fight for decent tomorrows for his people, his parents, his family, and his children. I know that we and specifically I enjoyed the unprecedented postwar peace to which he had contributed. I like being a trust-freedom baby much more than being a trust-fund baby.

This CP/C virus' attack on the U.S. homeland could have been thwarted largely by a better-led administration, not the Moscow-Mitch administration that we've got. The "dry" rot has been going on for many years. Of course, it's absolutely not a "dry" rot but a wet rot. Its being called "dry" was a diversion from the facts.

Don't worry, the virus will attack Moscow as a splashback ( yep, it's karma again because the U.S. has grown a huge invading force of viruses despite our brave attempts to "arms-control" it ) and Redfuckgina will experience another wave ( its hiding the truth on the ground in Wuhan and trying to control the narrative outside of its cage of power will fail--here's what the CCP may well say to the caged Red Chinese chickens, "this new wave of infection is caused by foreigners invading our country because the foreign countries such as the U.S. couldn't get it under control... Your beloved CCP has banned the export of N95 masks made by 3M so that your glorious and superior motherland may protect you with them { after first trying to price-gouge worldwide like those evil foreigners of New Jersey, U.S.A. }"

Think now, with CCP's tight control of the thoughts of its people ( there were vastly more deaths than the CCP had allowed to be reported.. isn't it strangely coincidental that the CCP-reported numbers suddenly dropped precipitously when the U.S. started regaining its traditional number-one position in almost everything? ) and borders, which "foreigners" can get over there without the CCP's permission? Yep, I agree with the people who say that those "foreigners" are actually Red Chinese nationals being used as pawns by the CCP.

Just try sneaking into Redfuckgina without permission. Is it easy?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

WTF is that ^B-S^?!!! Do U think I or anyone here or anywhere, is reading^that?!! Dick! Per the OP - try:

which ends .. "Even in quarantine the people can and must go out into the streets. Mass actions can be done with safety in mind. If protesters have to wear masks and gloves for the sake of safety, then so be it. The only thing worse than U.S. aggression would be silence and complicity.

''The Soleimani assassination put thousands of people out in the streets demanding no war against Iran. This moment is one that cries out for more sustained activity & not for falling into complacency when the Trump team is seemingly quiescent.

Finally - ''There must be unquestioned support for the people of Iran and Venezuela. Any critique of their governments, no matter how valid they may be ... must be put on hold. These Sovereign Nations have a right to self-defense and their people .. a right to live in peace. Critique must be reserved for this country, its political parties, and its corporate media. They can all be counted on to march in lock step when other nations are attacked. There must be a clear resolve to be unsparing in our Principled Opposition to all of the aggressors and their accomplices should the worst come to pass.''

There U go grapes; my gripes about your usual b-s aside .. your gropes for a reasoned response will be most amusing to behold & because I'm not reading your b-s above - it doesn't mean I won't read shorter & reasoned responses to the above or any other article I or others post on this Still Extant OWS Forum!

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax - et temet nosce!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 months ago

It looks like everyone can have their nuclear weapon sovereignty, legally if that matters at all. It's time to station U.S. nuclear missiles in a new U.S. military base in Vietnam. We can let Russia verify that we are moving to Vietnam some of our nuclear missiles currently targeting Russia when the move happens.

Free Europe loves to cozy up to Russia anyway so we shouldn't be the proverbial lightbulb getting in their way of love in the dark. I hope that the Free Europeans will enjoy managing various kinds of government-issued coupons for buying goods. Different coupons of the correct kinds and quantities must accompany the purchases for oil, cloth, fish, meat, and even underwear. Before traveling to a new place, one must apply for the official permit to do so sufficiently in advance so that the central-planning government can make these important life-sustaining resources available for one to purchase in the new place to which one will be going. This elaborate procedure if accompanied by strict and meager personal allowances helps greatly in demobilizing any escaped fugitives from reeducation camps and thereby supports national security.

Europe loves regulations so these coupons will be in line with the pay-to-piss/pee need for anyone to scrounge ( presenting hardship to young kids or children on Mom's "austerity program" of a jellied doughnut and a plump finger sausage { i.e. "ein Berliner" und "ein Frankfurter" } atop "just-R|ice for all" ) for euro(s) to pay to visit a toilette. The U.S. affords more Capitalism-funded Socialism than Europe. Our fast-food restaurants often offer Free usage of their "bathrooms" ! Be aware of the term "bathroom" being a peculiar euphemistic Americanism: bathrooms in U.S. restaurants generally have No bathing facility such as a showerhead or a bathtub. Some U.S. nationals may well mistakenly ask for using your 》Badezimmer《 to excrete into because virtually all ( definitely more than 99% ) U.S. homes have at least a bathroom with toilet facility in it. Bathing and excreting tend to be more separated in venue worldwide than in Middle-Class ( having a combined facility saves on plumbing cost so it's a possible sign of poverty but having it in-home at all is a possible sign of wealth so in the U.S., we're mostly in the middle class; in my childhood shantytown, our neighborhood output facility was an extremely stinky public outhouse so I loved my satellite kiddie chamber pot ) America.

Many military and bean-counting jobs will be created on all sides for this continuing "pivot to Asia," exactly what everyone needs at this moment.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

"The US is Militarily and Economically Impotent" - by Scott Ritter:

Fk only knows what U have written above OR what It means gripes...

but "Scott Ritter is a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer. He served in the Soviet Union as an inspector implementing the INF Treaty, in General Schwarzkopf’s staff during the Gulf War - and from 1991-1998 as a UN weapons inspector." ie. he knows his stuff whereas your brianfarts are nonsense!

fiat lux et temet nosce!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 months ago

How does a militarily and economically potent U.S. behave? Going to war? Doesn't it seem silly?

In my opinion, it's rather foolhardy to go against the Anglo nations of the world, of which the U.S.A. and the U.K. tend to lead. The U.K. is the most powerful [professional as opposed to other countries' such as Russia's conscript] military force in Europe ( excluding Russia's nuclear arsenal, of course, but if that's included, shouldn't we be including the U.S. nuclear arsenal as well? It starts to sound silly so we'll only include Poland's, Germany's, Netherlands', France's, Spain's, Italy's, Norway's, Denmark's, Belgium's.. armed forces and it seems that Russia's non-nuclear armed forces seem well outnumbered.) It also often has quite a formidable entourage ( Canada, Australia, etc.). The British Empire no longer exists but many significant former British Colonies which are now independent countries in the British Commonwealth still often act in unison with the U.K.

Maybe Redfuckgina believes that it can overcome the U.K. but it may well just be the proverbial "tip of the iceberg." Note that the Germans who were married into British royalties had match-made Americans to be married into British royalties as well so I would say that the U.S. had largely patched up with the U.K. the original split at the founding of the U.S.A. more than two centuries ago ( e.g. "Conquer Canada !" has largely lost its fervent appeal from centuries past; if 70-some years of peace has already dozed Germany off, more than twice as long a peace as that which existed between the U.S. and Canada will surely make anyone in the U.S. crying, "Conquer Canada !" appear to be either crazy or "WTF" ! ) Besides, the U.S. saved Great Britain from a sure defeat in WWII. The British Navy was the guardian for the British Isles' supply routes but the U-boats often cut them off in the early days of WWII. Then once the U.S. joined the war, it turned the tide of the war, being fought de facto in logistical supplies.

The U.S. homeland from where the supplies came wasn't much invaded by Germany's ally Japan because of our pervasive firearms culture ( more guns now than people ! Although I don't know how pervasive guns were in the U.S. at that time, I think that they were surely numerous due to our владизапад culture including blue jeans, cowboy wardrobe, etc. needed for putting down the restive original or enslaved peoples. )

The U.S. response to the Cold War produced several very significant breakthroughs: Interstate Highway System, microelectronics, artificial satellites, GPS, and ARPAnet/DARPAnet/Internet so the preparations for nuclear and high-tech wars had significant non-military spinoff which cemented the U.S. leading position to know, monitor, communicate, locate, and act domestically and globally. A speeding bullet fired by Donald Trump which hits someone on Fifth Avenue would be to that person, in White-culture reckoning emphasizing individualism, not much different from a nuclear bomb detonating in Manhattan, City of New York, N.Y.

Remember though that a Fallout Shelter can be used for different purposes, such as a place to hide from a tornado, a stash of sealed deionized water, non-perishable foods, baseball bats for hitting skulls, long sturdy-handle knives enough to pierce the heart by going in between the ribs, bayonets, glass wine bottles to be broken to make stabbing tool with jagged broken-glass sharp cutting edges, triangular stainless-steel hole-boring chisels, radios, batteries, guns, flares, and ammunition in case of civil unrest, plastic sheeting, plastic bags of different sizes, towels, first-aid supplies, duct tape, strings, ropes, scissors, raincoats, baking soda, etc. The ramps and elevators built for easing disabled people's travel are actually used for people with babies in strollers or delivery people with heavy merchandise so they're used differently than intended. Another example is the Interstate Highway System for moving large missiles all around the country but it's ended up enabling mostly White people to move away from city centers, develop banks' redlining, and defund cities to keep "some people" in their "rightful place" by throttling credit availability and government loans and grants.

As for the U.S. Marines changing strategies, it's to be expected of any flexible military force facing a changing threat environment ( Redfuckgina has gone with great resolve to break the Chain of Pearls for which the U.S. had shed blood, sweat, and tears to secure in WWII to provide peace on America's new and necessary frontier--ALWAYS remember Pearl Harbor's being sneak-attacked; nowadays with faster water vehicles, our West Coast could be attacked by Redfuckgina so the Chain of Pearls had been made the U.S. frontier for vital U.S. national security.) I doubt very much though that these new strategies include the U.S. Marines storming those rather stupid artificial molehills in the West American Warm Lake. For what? If the U.S. should go to war with Redfuckgina, they would be destroyed rather quickly, like popping weather balloons.

Should Mars be called Salty Rustia?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 month ago

So, is it "foolhardy to go against the Anglo nations of the world, of which the U.S.A. & the U.K. tend to lead"? .. because just look at whereTF being led by them - had led!!! Can't read your psych-babble gropes but where U will use wasteful with words .. then here I'll lead with brevity and bravura. Ergo, NB:

fiat lux et pacem in terris ....

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23315) 8 months ago

"The killing of Martin Luther King Jr was the ultimate result of the fusion of ugly white supremacist elites in the US government and citizenry and cowardly liberal careerists who feared King’s radical moves against empire, capitalism and white supremacy. If King were alive today, his words and witness against drone strikes, invasions, occupations, police murders, caste in Asia, Roma oppression in Europe, as well as capitalist wealth inequality and poverty, would threaten most of those who now sing his praises." - Cornell West


We can only imagine how different the world would be today, had he lived.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 7 months ago

''Working Class White Americans are now dying in middle age at faster rates than minority groups.'' by Alison Burke:

BECAUSE IF Martin Luther King Jr. was alive now ... CLASS ISSUES'D BE HIS ANALYSIS imo!

ad iudicium?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23315) 7 months ago

Deaths from despair. Alcohol, drugs, suicide.


We need a restructuring of our society and economy to end this madness. The very same economic and societal ills that gave us the Trump presidency are giving us the decline in life expectancy. These are all symptoms of inequality and greed, debt and consumerism. We need to change drastically our vision of how we want our future to be.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23315) 6 months ago

Jail for Unpaid Medical Bills!!!

From https://businessmanagement.news/2019/10/16/this-is-america-where-people-go-to-jail-for-unpaid-medical-bills/

"More than half of the debt in collections stems from medical care, which, unlike most other debt, is often taken on without a choice or an understanding of the costs.

The sickest patients are often the most indebted, and they’re not exempt from arrest."

So, it's make profit off their health, then make profit off their imprisonment!!! This is on all of us. It is OUR FAULT if we let this continue.

We must fight like hell for Bernie Sanders and Medicare For All to end this madness.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

"Jail for Unpaid Med Bills" is so fkt up! + FYI ...

ad iudicium?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23315) 6 months ago

What has become of us? Jailing people for unpaid medical bills. Sick, sick!

Medicare for all now!

From the Democracy Now article:

"DR. STEFFIE WOOLHANDLER: Coronavirus is a very good case for Medicare for All, but, as doctors, we see the case for Medicare for All all the time. Our diabetic patients can’t afford the insulin they need to stay alive. People with chronic conditions come in late, when they’ve already gotten complications, because they can’t afford to see their doctors. Some of those people are uninsured, but many of them have insurance, but they can’t afford to use it due to copayments and deductibles. We see immigrants who are afraid to seek care because of the new draconian immigration laws that put their immigration status at risk if they use public services like healthcare. So there’s plenty of case already for Medicare for All. I think that’s the reason why the majority of exit polls show that voters overwhelmingly support the idea of Medicare for All, at least from the Democratic side."

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

Consider ''Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent''! by Matt Bruenig:

ad iudicium?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 9 months ago

Re. MIC: ''The Stubborn Persistence of the Military-Industrial State'' by W.D.Hartung:

I do miss U & your wit & wisdom on this still extant OWS forum & <3 2 U, R & R. Solidarity.

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 8 months ago

''Is 'War On Iran' Trump's Route to Re-election?''- by Thom Hartmann:

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 8 months ago

Re.US' Neocon "War Party", watch this BBC Panorama because 2001 explains 2020!:

respice et prospice ...

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago


Obama's posterior coverage: Congressional approval for Syria strike

Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/emea-watch/2013/aug/31/obama-will-seek-input-congress-going-war-syria/#ixzz2dg3cKdiO Follow us: @wtcommunities on Twitter

There is not much faith in congress

they voted near anonymously, I mean unanimously for the iraq war

One Tin Soldier - The Legend of Billy Jack

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

"FBI launches open attack on ‘foreign’ alternative media outlets challenging US foreign policy":

omnia causa fiunt!

[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago


DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

NoWarWithSyria see also http://democracyforamerica.com/pages/857-dfa-membership-survey-syria?akid=3863.2041858._mFx6n&rd=1&source=ND2&t=1

Wage Peace

Don't perpetuate war




sound off 4 Peace

[-] 3 points by Narley (272) 7 years ago

Peace is the only way. We must stop the war mongers this time. I have called and emailed my congressman. This is surreal, how can anyone think attacking Syria will turn out good.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 7 years ago

The same way they thought the last 7 nations... out of sight, out of mind.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

For a fictional exposition of the facts to follow your interesting aside, please consider :

Where are we at ?!!! How'd we get here ?!! Why is more war considered a good thing ?!

et cui bono ?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

The real roots of Jihadism: Chris Hedges with Max Blumenthal ...

''Chris Hedges talks to author and journalist Max Blumenthal about the intimate connection between the misguided support the United States has given to international Jihadism – starting with over $1billion Washington gave to the Afghan Mujahideen in the 1970s – and the rise of neo-fascists and ultra-nationalist movements in Europe and the US. Blumenthal’s new book ‘The Management of Savagery: How America’s National Security State Fueled the Rise of Al Qaeda, ISIS, and Donald Trump’ was published in April 2019 by Verso Books.''

ESSENTIAL VIEWING as Hedges and Blumenthal discus MB's book ... 'The Management of Savagery', detailing the US national security state's role in fueling international jihadism & far-right nationalism. Also explained is how a young Netanyahu marketed a "war on terror" to the US!

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''How U.S. weapons ended up bombing hospitals in Yemen'':

WARNING .. Video should only be watched by a mature person.

e tenebris, tenebris!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''The Trump-Bolton Duo is like Bush-Cheney Duo: Warmongers Using Lies to Start Illegal Wars!''

caveat actor!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago


From which ... ''Eighteen years after it was published, “Dark Alliance,” the San Jose Mercury News’s bombshell investigation into links between the cocaine trade, Nicaragua’s Contra rebels, and African American neighborhoods in California, remains one of the most explosive and controversial exposés in American journalism.

''The 20,000-word series enraged black communities, prompted Congressional hearings, and became one of the first major national security stories in history to blow up online. It also sparked an aggressive backlash from the nation’s most powerful media outlets, which devoted considerable resources to discredit author Gary Webb’s reporting. Their efforts succeeded, costing Webb his career. On December 10, 2004, the journalist was found dead in his apartment, having ended his eight-year downfall with two .38-caliber bullets to the head.''

And (Webb once) ... ''reflected on his fall from grace in the 2002 book, 'Into the Buzzsaw'. Prior to “Dark Alliance,” Webb said, “I was winning awards, getting raises, lecturing college classes, appearing on TV shows, and judging journalism contests.”

“And then I wrote some stories that made me realize how sadly misplaced my bliss had been. The reason I’d enjoyed such smooth sailing for so long hadn’t been, as I’d assumed, because I was careful and diligent and good at my job,” Webb wrote. “The truth was that, in all those years, I hadn’t written anything important enough to suppress.”

This incredibly important story was also made into a major motion picture - "KILL THE MESSENGER" :

respice; adspice; prospice!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

"Hidden in Plain Sight: The Shocking Origins of the Jeffrey Epstein Case.".. by Whitney Webb:

Epstein is only the latest incarnation of a much older, more extensive & sophisticated operation that offers a very frightening window into just how deeply tied the U.S. Government is to the modern-day equivalents of organized crime.

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

"Bombshell : Epstein accuser NAMES former Israeli Prime Minister!" by 'The Hill':

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago
[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Consider "What We Know About Jeffrey Epstein’s Private Jet, the ‘Lolita Express’" - by M. Lodi:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

For sure "Powerful men are scared about what Ghislaine Maxwell will say!" by Maureen Callahan:

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

"Ghislaine Maxwell 'has tapes of two prominent US politicians having sex with minors', & boasted of 'owning' powerful people, former friend and jewel thief claims" by Katie Weston:

omnia causa fiunt ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Epstein Case Judge's Son Murdered and Husband Shot by Mystery Assailant ... who was then himself 'suicided', also had links to US/Israel Intel Agencies! + FYI...

From 2nd link above, consider - "While Epstein’s egregious and criminal actions targeting minors have now become public knowledge, in role in facilitating white collar crime, money laundering and financial frauds on behalf of corporations, governments & oligarchs - remains sorely under-covered, despite his role in such activities preceding and continuing after his involvement in an "Intelligence-Linked Sexual Blackmail Pperation.

"It arguably remains one of the key components of the Epstein scandal yet the most poorly understood and most under-investigated. If anything, the tragic events at the Salas family home on Sunday & what appears to be a rapid yet shoddy cover-up of the shooter’s ties to Kroll Associates and - Actual Motives, reveal that Epstein’s financial ties are more frightening to certain powerful individuals & institutions than his trove of sexual blackmail."

sub rosa?!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So He was put on suicide watch

Who took him off of suicide watch

If he actually was - Why?

Just how many influential People was he gonna expose when he got to the court proceedings? I mean besides the Orange Career Criminal-n-Chief!



[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

"Jeffrey Epstein was blackmailing politicians for Israel’s Mossad, new book claims" from here

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

"Epstein Case: Documentaries Won’t Touch Tales of Intel Ties" by Elizabeth Vos:

From which "More than nine months since Epstein’s death, no alleged Epstein co-conspirator has been arrested or charged with a crime despite reports of an active criminal investigation of Maxwell (who has disappeared), and multiple failed attempts of alleged Epstein victims to serve her with civil suits.

“The criminal case against him .. and all the evidence that was gathered against him as part of that, will never be made public unless someone else is charged,” said Webb. “So - the fact they are not charging anyone else is quite telling, & the fact that the mainstream media isn’t pushing back against that, I think is telling as well.”

"Omissions of major aspects of the Epstein case by the media - specifically its links with the intelligence community - seems to be another example of a buffer between justice & those responsible for rendering Epstein untouchable."

e tenebris, tenebris!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 month ago

"The Epstein Associate Nobody's Talking About .. The IDF-Linked Bond Girl Infiltrating the UK's NHS"! by Jonny Vedmore:

sub rosa?

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 month ago

"Epstein Docs Unsealed, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Dershowitz Named" ... Watch - 'The Hill':

"Krystal and Saagar share their thoughts on new documents revealing the names of powerful people who allegedly visited Jeffrey Epstein's private island."

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''Broken bones in Jeffrey Epstein’s neck, deepen questions around his death''by Carol D. Leonnig:

''According to experts - Epstein's neck injuries 'are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation' than suicide by hanging.''

''An autopsy found that financier Jeffrey Epstein suffered multiple breaks in his neck bones, according to two people familiar with the findings, deepening the mystery about the circumstances around his death.

''Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said.

''The details are the first findings to emerge from the autopsy of Epstein, a convicted sex offender and multimillionaire in federal custody on charges of sex trafficking. He died early Saturday morning after guards found him hanging in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan and he could not be revived.''

hmmmm ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 10 months ago

''Jeffrey Epstein’s injuries look more like murder than suicide .. noted pathologist says''!

e tenebris - tenebris!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 10 months ago

"Leak exposes ABC’s ‘Epstein coverup’!""

So ABC's Amy ''Robach said she believes “100 percent” Epstein was murdered.''Do I think he was killed? A hundred percent, yes I do. He made all his living blackmailing people. There were a lot of men in those planes, a lot of men who visited that island, a lot of powerful men who came into that apartment.''

fiat lux!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago
[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 8 months ago

''Jeffrey Epstein's socialite 'madam' may be hiding in a safe house in Israel''by Keith Griffith

''Ghislaine Maxwell 'is being hidden from the FBI in a series of safe houses because of all of the information she has on powerful people.'"

sub rosa?

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 10 months ago

The threat of being murdered is a good reason to avoid getting involved with prostitution, pimping, underage prostitution, gambling, sex and drug trafficking, and drug abuse.

crime scenes within the isolation of prisons can be tainted and even staged.

"There’s always concern that if the only reporting you are getting is from those 
involved in the care of that inmate that it may be biased,’’ Baden said.

This is a reason why many corrupt regimes attack journalists, in order to control the narrative outside of their cages of power.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 7 months ago

''Prince Andrew is stonewalling Jeffrey Epstein probe, U.S. attorney says'' .. by Kevin G. Hall

''Typically, any Justice Department official seeking legal assistance from another country makes that request through diplomatic channels via the State Department. It is unclear if that happened in this case. Officials from the State Department, FBI, British Embassy in Washington and Berman’s office did not respond to requests for comment. The Justice Department, which is investigating Epstein’s death at the direction of Attorney General William Barr, referred inquiries back to Berman’s office.

''That action itself came on the heels of a 61-page report on Jan. 10 from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, detailing how faculty and administrators at the prestigious university maintained personal and financial relations with Epstein even after a 2008 deal that allowed him to escape serious punishment by pleading guilty to soliciting prostitution from a minor.

''The Berman announcement also comes as speculation grows into the whereabouts of Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s girlfriend and longtime business associate who his victims allege served as a madam who procured underage girls to feed his predilections. Her whereabouts have been a mystery since immediately after Epstein’s jail cell hanging, which was termed a suicide, although some — including Epstein’s brother — have expressed doubts about that finding.''

fiat lux …

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 10 months ago

''Fresh questions for Prince Andrew over Epstein abuse'' ...

fiat justitia ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Note ''The Epstein Mystery'' ... by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts:

''It is not possible to commit suicide when a person is on suicide watch. Former inmates and prison guards and correctional personnel have stated with certainty that Epstein did not commit suicide by hanging himself.

''The only questions before us are: Was Epstein murdered in order to protect members of the elite? Was Epstein switched out by the Deep State and a dead person of similar appearance left in his place?

''Last week those who said that Epstein would not make it to trial because so many prominent people would be implicated were dismissed as “conspiracy theorists.” This week we know the “conspiracy theorists” were right. Epstein did not make it to trial.

''When you hear someone trying to discredit a view by calling it a “conspiracy theory,” be suspicious. The CIA invented “conspiracy theory” in order to control the explanation of President John F. Kennedy’s assassination by discrediting skeptics of the official explanation.

''We won’t know that Epstein is not alive and enjoying life with underage females in a CIA safe house until people who knew him well and are not endangered by investigation of his pedophile activities identify the body, and non-official, non-governmental experts identify the body via DNA. Even with these steps, we cannot know that investigators were not bribed or threatened.

''Much will be done to add to the confusion and doubt. Already we have a delayed autopsy report, and involvement of a pathologist who supported the unbelievable single bullet explanation of President Kennedy’s murder. [ https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-11/epsteins-autopsy-results-delayed-pending-further-information ]

''Contradictory information grows by the day. Now there are reports, allegedly from official sources, that Epstein was taken off suicide watch shortly before his “suicide.” This report is necessary to support the verdict of suicide as suicide is not possible in a suicide-proof cell.

''The odds are heavy against us ever being given a clear and convincing explanation. The only way you can know is to study the situation very carefully, consider the ever-changing story, and make up your own mind. Official explanations, such as President Kennedy’s assassination, Robert Kennedy’s assassination, Martin Luther King’s assassination, the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, and 9/11, are never correct.

''Epstein’s trial would have discredited the American elite and simply was not permitted to happen. For the same reason, we will never know what really happened to Epstein.''

omnia causa fiunt!

PS: ''Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was a columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Roberts' latest books are 'The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism' and 'Economic Dissolution of the West', 'How America Was Lost', and .. 'The Neoconservative Threat to World Order'.''

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''Russia Hoax Coup & Epstein Interlocked'' (by Kevin Shipp and Greg Hunter):

''Former CIA Officer and whistleblower Kevin Shipp says the Russian hoax and attempted coup of President Trump and the sex trafficking case against Jeffery Epstein are linked together by the same Deep State players. Shipp explains, “The FBI has completely raided his vault, and they have some pretty damning material. I don’t know why it took so long, but they have raided Epstein’s island . . . So, there is a lot of damning information the FBI has now on certain people. At the top of the list, and the one who flew the most, was Bill Clinton. Then he lied about it. They are intertwined in that regard and with the Clinton Foundation that we know is a fraud. It is known around the world, and you’ve got these two intersections with Bill and Hillary Clinton. Of course, Hillary Clinton is tied to the dossier in an attempt to get rid of Donald Trump. So, these webs interlocked with each other, and these people interlock with each other. Welcome to the global elite. Welcome to human trafficking. These things are connected, and with Epstein dead, there are a lot of prominent people breathing a sigh of relief—for now. Is Barr aggressive enough? He says he is going to pursue this case anyway. Is he going to call in the people seen on the CD’s, videos and photographs? That remains to be seen.

''On Epstein’s officially ruled suicide while in prison, Shipp says, “Epstein tries to commit ‘suicide,’ and his cellmate, a four-time convicted murderer, said he didn’t see (or hear) it because he had his headphones on. Attorney General William Barr was in charge of the safety of Jeffery Epstein. There should have been an entire contingent of U.S. Marshals to protect this huge witness, but there were none. Why is that? . . . . It is just unbelievable how they left this huge witness to die in prison. The prison guards were off, as we know. The cameras were not functioning. He was taken off of suicide watch and on and on we go. There are so many things that add up to this not being a suicide that it is remarkable. . . . We are all still hoping that Attorney General Barr will do his job and people are charged, but this is starting to bother me a little bit. A major witness that was connected to high level people in government and finance was left alone to die in prison, and I think he was murdered. This was all left to happen by William Barr. The pieces to this just don’t add up. . . .We’ve got so many strange things going on here that do not add up, and Attorney General Barr is ultimately responsible for this happening.”

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

''Judges call Jeffrey Epstein case a ‘national disgrace,’ but reject bid to undo deal", by Jay Weaver & Julie K. Brown:


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

The Epstein; Weinstein Nexus ...

e tenebris - tenebris!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 11 months ago

Apparently, ''Epstein was an Israeli intelligence operation - entraping powerful individuals and politicians in the United States'', by Philip Giraldi:

Btw, ''Philip Giraldi is a former counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer of the CIA",

& "I was told 'Epstein belonged to Intelligence' and to leave it alone" (ex-Trump Labor Sec. Acosta) ...

multum in parvo?

[-] -1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 11 months ago

Epstein/Weinstein/'Black Cube'/HRC - when the rich and powerful and influential are NOT held to account, then some really serious questions have to be urgently asked by all of us actually!

I won't spoon feed any conclusions that may be drawn from the info above, as I'll leave that to the readers of these boards - who are more numerous than we who still write here, appreciate!

fiat lux et fiat justitia - ruat caelum!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

Apparent suicide. Manhattan has a Fuckeasy, not a Resteasy, I guess.

According to the news article, sources said that his defense lawyers helped in the process of getting him off of suicide watch.

Where's James? Is he "on top of the situation," as usual?

Aww, Russia doesn't like the mistressturbation of its erections. How cute, but gay! Trumpanzia just loved the masturbation of our elections and would like more, more, and more. We are wide-open spread-eagled, for we work in "Man heeft ding" Fuckeasy in "the land of the free and the home of the brave." Yeah, it was a great attempt to erect the Great InfoWall of Russia. It's great that no radiation was detected by Norway. This is why Russia Today (RT) is such an important news source about ourselves, in the same way that Norway tells more of at least partial truths (the complete truths are "assembly-required;" it's the impossibility of assembling the complete truth by collecting and examining every happenings that requires human justice systems in the U.S. to circumscribe the scope and protect the integrity of any justice investigation so any "obstruction of justice" is or should be severely punished but putting up a good fight while obeying the rules in the adversarial systems is and should be encouraged as innocence matters {I do support Mom's old-school butt-spanking my Big Brother over this} ) about Russia to the Russians than Russia itself. In earlier decades, Radio Moscow provided an interesting twist and refreshing perspective on the news events when shortwave radio was global and astounding in its days. Internet Research Agency is not a uniquely Russian invention. Everyone can start one.

Russia needs to cut its copper wires for sale (I wonder whether the DPRK is so dark at night in ISS videos because of this. If its sky isn't too polluted by the smog from Red China, maybe we can see lots of stars from there, a great location perhaps for an astronomical observatory without much light pollution. Another hypothesis of mine is that the DPRK has been in a blackout to avoid guiding the bombing air-raid aircraft which may come anytime due to the unconcluded armed conflict but why is Pyongyang still lit up, though? Is it a decoy?) It will stop the internet social media companies from transmitting interference for sure (yeah, "kill the messenger!" and preserve the royalty of "Russian science!" "Aryan"-"German science" lost to Mongrel-"Jewish science" in WWII in the race to build the first A-bomb literally on the issue of the purity of the graphite used by Enrico Fermi et al downunder in a squash court of the University of Chicago and of the {surely not "Aryan"} scientific team assembled for the Manhattan Project {although largely done elsewhere due to the U-boat up-the-Hudson threat, some experiments were actually done in Manhattan where the two most world-shaping-and-shaking technologies of the 20th century: transistor and nuclear, were originated and incubated.} ) God has a molten-copper face. "Denk an Deine Sünden."

Our globalized world's helpline said years ago.

Here's why Hong Kong is a linchpin for U.S. National Security. Find the ends of the "String of Pearls." The toughest and most savage (George H.W. Bush could have been eaten while alive by the Japanese soldiers one piece at a time) battles in WWII for the U.S. was fought near and on the island chains of the southern and western Pacific. The Brits knew how to pick strategic ports for the Crown such as Gibraltar, Singapore, and the very last Crown Colony Hong Kong, which is very far away from the Brits' home in northwestern Europe and whose handover on July 1st, 1997 to Red China marked the official end of the British Empire. The problem there now relates to the new owner having broken repeatedly the terms of the handover in its quest to become the Chinese Empire (but the U.S. whose global lording over most seas and oceans underpinned the greatest global economic expansion ever gets "in its way.") Many Hong Kongers, especially the younger ones, feel themselves being trapped into a suffocating dead-end.

[-] -1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 8 months ago

''Surveillance video from Jeffrey Epstein's first apparent suicide attempt 'no longer exists'!"


[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 8 months ago

Could it be that a precursor of 武汉's ( Martial Craft Chinese ) novel 80%-genetic-makeup-similar-to-SARS coronavirus had actually infected the E=MCC Microsoft Windows/Denial-Of-Service computer so that all we've got left are the Microsoft default state of a DOS lightbulb and the infamous Microsoft blue screen of death?

It's never a good idea to visit the nadir under a high-tension transmission line just before, during an upcoming, or shortly after an outgoing thunderstorm. Unfortunately, innocent civilians were killed in a long line of military shootdowns of civilian airliners during tense times. All parties should seek the reduction of tensions. I send my condolences to the many victims, their relatives, and friends.

Television brought me the indelible images: the seemingly never-ending parade of black hearse carrying Dutch victims, the bobbing belongings of the deceased U.S. passengers in the ocean water, the long streaks of white toilet paper falling from the blue sky where the ill-fated airplane and passengers had been... --all were innocent civilians caught up unwittingly in conflict fault-lines and zones, man-made.

Commentator fatesrider wrote regarding Iran's announcement regarding the downing of the Ukrainian airliner:

The government's statement blamed "US terrorist forces' military flights around the 
country" for "increased ... sensitivity in air defense complexes," which led to Iran's 
defense forces being "on the highest level of preparedness to respond to possible 
Sounds good, if it had been true. But it wasn't. There was NO American military 
response to the Iranian rocket attack. And I was exactly correct in saying what I said 
three days ago. The Iranians went on high alert after their missile attack, timed to 
happen during a lull in civil aviation flights. They relied on scheduled departure times to 
determine who was a friendly and who wasn't. The Ukrainian airliner departed an hour 
later than scheduled.

A civil airliner would NEVER approach a "sensitive military area" especially during a 
time of heightened tensions in the region. Air spaces are restricted and pilots know 
where they are. A modern airliner would not be off course.

So it was all lies to begin with, and still are. The fact is, their air defense system can't 
tell friend from foe. They literally COULD NOT identify the aircraft they shot at first with 
the equipment they had (it's the same kind of air defense system that accidentally shot 
down a Russian airliner in Syria in 2018, also for the same reason that it couldn't 
identify a foe from a friend). They just knew that the aircraft flying wasn't scheduled to 
be there and shot at it. Then they sat on the news for three days before admitting fault.

One might argue about "whose fault it is", but the fact is, this was a completely unforced 
error demonstrating the general incompetence of the Iranian military and the guile of 
the Iranian leadership. This has been evident by their mock-ups and fake "victories" 
over the years. But they fought a low-end peer like Iraq to a draw, which actually ended 
much worse for Iran than Iraq. Their lack of military prowess is why they want nukes, 
which is why they shouldn't be allowed to get them.

It's a MAJOR embarrassment for the Iranian military forces, and Iran in particular.

Doesn't the above make more sense and is more probable than Iran's announcement itself?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 8 months ago

Re. Jeffrey Epstein - see the twelve tweet twitter thread that starts with this:

I link to the above, as this mini-thread is about Epstein. Can U stick to that?

spero meliora ...

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 8 months ago

I read that Jeffrey Epstein was praised as a "terrific guy" by Donald J. Trump.

Were they just having yet another bromance? Trump was very gay with Pootin the Great (Moscow Trump), Erdoğan (Istanbul Trump preferred getting it via Washingtongue, Diseased,) Kim Jong-un (has the World's tallest [unfinished/unopened] hotel: Pyongyang Trump is better than Trump Tower in sheer thrust (Florence at one time was greatly laughed at by all of its neighbors for having built a church with the greatest nonexistent dome { where God shed His liquid gold on the praying worshipers to make them either hide or become all wet } whose completion via studying the ancient Roman Empire architectural structures and knowledge ushered in the Renaissance which propelled Europe to global prominence); KJU and DJT are in the same business-owned Free-Fuckgina-state so they're highly compatible and understandable to each other; DJT needs to learn beeping from the Russians how to use toilette tanks to storm, douche, and flush out Casa Blanca but don't let anyone grab the manly balls--it's not a test; "Build it and the customers will come!" Why don't the tourists come to Pyongyang Trump en masse? It needs Trump[anzee] branding to make it exciting like a zoo { the last word on my first kindergarten's vocabulary book, after bus, butter, car <the most favorite place for American teenagers to 'grab a pussy' for the first time, now you know why getting one's driver's license is such a Big Deal; even a bigger deal than that is the getting of one's own set of car keys to one's own car so that one can "park">, cat.., gun.., vase[¿ctomy "sanitized" for the kindergartners?], of course, you'll understand if you know the order of the Roman alphabets of English; I've never realized how much I'd learnt about life <e.g. butter comes before gun> from that kindergarten!} of man-eating moths in a Bushfire; dependence on authoritarianism induces metastability, often only resolvable through a great destruction; democratic elections and subsequent reforms are generally far less destructive than civil wars and revolutions "peace is the handmaiden of prosperity," both the DPRK and the ROK had largely enjoyed peace since the Korean Conflict but the DPRK kept on preparing for a war which had never come so despite its original great industrial strength built up by the Imperial Japanese, it fell greatly behind the ROK politically, diplomatically, economically, and culturally; I suppose that if a DPRK slave's income became twenty times greater, it would enable their quality of life to become far more like that of an ROK person's; yeah, the U.S. did extend its defense umbrella over the ROK but we also did it for Japan and Germany after they had been conquered; my Dad used to say that these "loser" countries' people live better than the "winner" countries' people so to whom one loses { or colonizes if you so prefer; the U.S. is in a number of ways serving the traditional role of an overseas colony to Japan; we sold raw materials to Japan and bought manufactured goods from it so Japan no longer had to satisfy its colonial needs using its neighbors as much as it did before and during WWII,} can make a huge difference,) too, so there was no surprise to me there. The underaged girls involved were surprising though because a truly gay person doesn't fly with underaged girls. I correct myself: a truly gay person doesn't fly with females of the species, underaged or otherwise. If a person flies with both males and females, that person is actually classified as a bisexual, not gay. Of course, there may very well be Fake Gays who use their pretended gayness in order to gain trust and get close enough to the females of the species so that they can fly with them.

Maybe the Trump Shuttles had already gone bankrupt by then so Trump had to catch flights in a different way with his 'hood-bro. With bankruptcies and intrigues, life, being grounded, in Dynasty can be tough! What with all of the eyes' screams coming down the 'pike...

"Innocent until proven guilty" is the American way (the bail system had come from England which invented [aristocratic originally but expanded afterwards to others'] rights; it wasn't an American invention.)

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 6 years ago

The language of PEACE should be adopted when interacting on the issues of war around the world (Syria, middle east, Ukraine, etc )

We can not resolve war by joining in the verbal violence that currently dominates international dialogue.

We can identify the war mongers/verbal violence purveyors, but should focus our energies on pushing PEACE.

Cease fires, Diplomacy, Negotiation, compromise, international tribunals, disarmament,

These elements of de-escalation should be reflected in our conversation.

The Occupy movement certainly illustrates the power of simply changing the dialogue of an issue.

"All we are sayin' is Give PEACE a Chance"


[-] -1 points by buliau (-29) 7 years ago

I don't care for Tweets, but I'll be sharing this at the next protest on September 17th. We need to fight this Obamination of a war idea.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23315) 7 years ago

"We recognize that peace cannot be reached through bombs, drone attacks, and murder; peace is created through compassion and forgiveness, which must come from within."

That pretty much says it all. Thank you.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

'Who Are You To Decide That You Will Launch A War ?" - George Galloway in UK Parliament :

fiat pax ...

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23315) 7 years ago

"...The question is are they mad enough to do it? To launch a chemical weapons attack in Damascus on the very day that a UN chemical weapons inspection team arrives in Damascus must be a new definition of madness."

Thank you George Galloway. Truth there. See 2:03 of the video.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

Yep, can't get enough of George and his passionate advocacy for fairness and peace & also fyi :

fiat lux ...

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (23315) 7 years ago

47% of taxpayer money goes to the military, past and present. Interesting. They need a lot of belligerence to justify that. Thanks for the pie chart.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

Turns out that its 57% of discretionary spending, as per some charts and stats you appended on another thread and I reply (as I may have there, lol) with this short but really very arresting video :

fiat pax ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23315) 7 years ago

A great history lesson in 9 minutes. Well worth watching, thanks.

What stands out to me is that the military pays for 234 golf courses with our money. Freaking outrageous! Pretty much says it all.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

Wars wouldn't happen if Banksters didn't see profit and/or Imperialists and Oligarchs didn't see and salivate at the prospect of ever more power and resources & ergo, as a humorous aside, I append :

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23315) 7 years ago

I like the "Dance Break." LOL. Now, if only we could get more Americans to sing those sentiments. Class struggle seems to be more embedded in the UK and Europe in general, but we Americans are slowly awakening.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

Americans are taught to forget their past of collective organisation and struggle by The Corporate MSM & (mis)education system even as Modern High-Finance ; Low Ethics Crapitalism (ie. Modern Corporate Banksterism / 'Hoover-Up Kaputalism' ) is so clearly seen as a busted flush and any honest person, in possession of the most rudimentary ethical compass can clearly see that. Solidarity and here's hoping that Americans can reconnect with their own history :

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23315) 7 years ago

This is why I was so happy when OWS first took off. It was simply amazing to see Americans begin to wake up to class consciousness. I never thought it would happen in my lifetime.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

mmmPHATic ditto et dum spiro spero ...

The Revolution Continues Worldwide ..

pax et lux ; nunc et semper ... .. .

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23315) 7 years ago

Hey, yeah, this is a revolutionary movement, lest we forget. That means big change, a new system altogether.

Do you know this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHwcPgQ-q6o

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

Very nice tune indeed & yes bw I do & so mS2u ~

bonne nuit ..

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23315) 7 years ago

:) Sweet. Mine to you, too. 'Night.

[-] 2 points by LeoYo (5909) 7 years ago

Chris Hedges on Obama's Decision to Attack Syria and "Give Congress a Voice"

Sunday, 01 September 2013 13:28 By Paul Jay, The Real News Network | Video Interview


The Lie of "Limited War" in Syria

Monday, 02 September 2013 14:36 By Shamus Cooke, The Workers Action | Op-Ed


Possible Consequences of a US military attack on Syria—Remembering the Marine Barracks destruction in Beirut, 1983

Monday, 02 September 2013 14:47 By Ann Wright, War Is a Crime | News Analysis


The "Honest Broker" is Crooked

Monday, 02 September 2013 09:50 By Noam Chomsky, Truthout | News Analysis


[-] 2 points by Phanya2011 (908) from Tucson, AZ 7 years ago

Photography by hamde abu rahma - Kerry showed a picture implying the rows and rows of shrouded bodies over which a boy is skipping (I don't know how to post it from Facebook) when in fact it had nothing to do with it. .

IMPORTANT TO KNOW ! So, Secretary of State John Kerry referenced this photograph when making his speech today, trying to drive home how awful the Syrian chemical attack was as he tried to convince us why we should go to war. One problem. The picture isn't even from Syria. It's from Iraq in 2003. The photographer, Marco di Lauro, said he nearly "fell off his chair" when he saw it was being used to promote a war in Syria. It's getting pretty disturbing to see how far our politicians, both Republican and Democrat, are willing to go to drum up support for a war nobody wants.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

I didn't join the navy to drop bombs on Iraq #NoWarWithSyria

[-] -2 points by IceAge (-1) 7 years ago

Did you join to work on your suntan?

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

lasers are done in the dark

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

I don't believe the circumstance suggest the chemical attack by the government. The US is just trying to make excuses to kill with bombs. The US has lied in the recent past to invade Iraq The US has no credibility and will further damage that by destroying more countries and lives

the president sounds like a rules layer looking for an excuse

further, I find the US of bombs no different than chemical attacks

dead is dead

mass destruct is mass destruction

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago


DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

No War, Not Now, Not Ever | http://OccupyWallSt.org : http://occupywallst.org/article/no-war-not-now-not-ever/#.UiInMS69ueo.twitter

Campaign to wage peace instead.





[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23315) 6 months ago

End the War Machine. Vote Bernie.

Let's not bring back the Obama/Biden drone era.


[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 6 years ago

Diplomacy, Cease fire, negotiations, compromise.

Path to Peace

[-] 1 points by Garibaldi (0) 7 years ago

Our congress no longer represents the American people. They instead represent oil barons seeking to take advantage of Syrian oil fields which we will no doubt be made custodians of once we have completely reduced the Syrian nation to rubble. It belongs to the death peddlers like Lockheed Marin who will no doubt generously arm the forces of death we send to Syria. These individuals fund the campaigns of men such as Robert Mendez who today granted his support for Iraq 2.0. If Congress is not shown that there will be consequences for such abject betrayal of the people they are meant to support, then it will be the voices of death peddlers and oil kings that are heard over the cries of parents not wishing to see their children shipped off to their deaths. Our cause has found success in Britain and can find success in the Nation which originated it.

[-] 1 points by Revolutionary (311) 7 years ago

USA resorts to war because it has been emboldened by the selfishness of Pakistan who lack humane values and who use second hand intelligence which lacks subjectiveness but possesses only objectivity/superficiality.

[-] 1 points by IndigoRed (87) 7 years ago

Everyone, I will not compel you into making a decision, but I come to you simply with evidence of what I am about to say: This potential war with Syria is a precursor - following the war with Iraq - for plans of a conspiracy designed and driven by the money masters of the western world, AKA the oligarchs of the New World Order. These human beings have so much wealth that they are able to place themselves outside of human life and experience that the rest of us are so accustomed to that they live as if they are in another dimension - comparable to gods looming over entire civilizations from the skies. All human events around the world are a constant stream of events (imagine never dreaming, hoping or thinking of another world/life - all physical human actions are confined to a bubble limited by the size of the planet that began ages ago and plays out analogous to a chemical reaction, the outcome of which is predictable) planned for, predicted by, and due to these elites, like the Iraq war. If America goes to war with Syria or is responsible for the destruction of its current government, these masterminds will be one step closer to having their one world government and this will cause suffering for the majority of mankind on a scale only comparable to the world wars. I present video evidence of what I speak of and simply state that if we show sympathy to the Syrian people like the elite expect of us and go to war, we will have fallen into their trap and allow ourselves to be one step closer to this new form of slavery: a slave of the global elite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB17j0a-R34

The most sure-fire way to have an enduring and convincing effect on your congressional representative is to have prophetic abilities and I will instruct you how. You must first understand that what is unraveling in the middle east is not about Syria but a broader strategy for eliminating threats that could potentially oppose the western powers around the world. Syria is just a stepping stone - more is yet to come and soon it will seem as if the entire middle east has exploded into war.

Here is your script for what to tell your representative: The United States will shortly go to war with Libya if it goes to war with Syria. As a taxpaying U.S. citizen, I do not give permission for my tax dollars to be used to fund a war with Libya. You will not have my vote in the next congressional elections if you allow my tax dollars to fund a war with Libya. Represent me as my elected congressman/woman of the state of insert your state here in the congressional vote to use my tax dollars for military intervention outside of American territory.

Spread it around, folks, godspeed.

[-] -1 points by zacharilogan (-54) 7 years ago

All human events around the world are a constant stream of events (imagine never dreaming, hoping or thinking of another world/life - all physical human actions are confined to a bubble limited by the size of the planet that began ages ago and plays out analogous to a chemical reaction, the outcome of which is predictable) planned for, predicted by, and due to these elites, like the Iraq war.

If these so called elites have been in control since the beginning of humanity, they are not very effective. It's taking them quite a long time to achieve their nefarious dream of a one world government.

Here is your script for what to tell your representative...

If you believe a secret shadowy force nicknamed the elite is plotting to take over the world, why would you trust a representative. Better you adopt Occupy's principle of anarchy. The people have the power to change the world by themselves. No need for representatives. They are all corrupted by your so-called elites.

[-] 1 points by IndigoRed (87) 7 years ago

It is the most efficient way to cause change without resorting to destruction. Societies of human beings need order, and thousands of years of experimentation with developing systems to create order among men has shown that our way of representational government creates the most stable and therefore prosperous civilizations in history. Anarchy solves nothing and leads to the decay of nations then provinces/states, then cities, then communities and finally on an individual level. It is corrosive to the human mind and spirit to live without order.

These representatives still think like you and me at some level though, even if their livelihoods are dependent on these elites. Trust in the system. Trust in mankind. We are destined for a greater future - all of us, together.


[-] 1 points by IndigoRed (87) 7 years ago

And I disagree that a 'world' with one country would have no competition. If you remember your reading of US history from your high school text books, the United States was an isolationist country up until WW1 and it thrived during the industrial age simply with intranational business and industry.

[-] 1 points by IndigoRed (87) 7 years ago

We must trust the system that is known to all and in writing (the constitution) and is not clandestine, secretive or manipulate using covet means. You're mincing words and not understanding that these elites act outside of any laws or influence: they are the ones who influence, using their vast wealth obtained through their royal families for centuries. They do not have control of the system but influence it and have incredible influential power.

If you're confused that political power is just as great as monetary power, understand that when entire countries (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, the French Empire, England, etc.) fall or their governments fall, the people AND THEREFORE businesses lose confidence in the place they live and investments, bank savings, stocks, contracts and every business transaction that relies on trust go up in the wind.

I don't know what the elites want with a one world government but I'm certain they realize it will make hundreds of millions homeless and suffer. Perhaps they are planning to systematically depopulate the Earth by starving out the masses so they may have a larger share of this beautiful, blue planet we live on. I understand the importance of competition but I'm not talking about capitalism here, I'm talking about secretive elite groups seeking to overthrow governments in the middle east as the next step to their plans for a one world government. I'm not even sure these people think about international trade anymore.

OH and could you tell me what it is that they do exactly? I've known of their existence for years now and still have no idea what the extremely wealthy do. I'd love to know. Please enlighten everyone reading this conversation.

[-] 1 points by itsmyblood (10) 7 years ago


Eddie Vedder - No More http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqPzS8Y27Ks

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

''Who Blocked Syrian Peace Talks ?'', by Robert Parry :

''The War on Iran Begins In Syria'', by Eric Draitser :

''The Broader Stakes of Syrian Crisis'', by Ray McGovern :

''U.S. Neocon Hawks Take Flight Over Syria'', by Jim Lobe :

''The Real Target of These Attacks is Not Syria'', by Robert Fisk :

Finally, please consider : ''What is the West’s real agenda ? This is the unasked and unanswered question. Clearly, the US, UK, and French governments, which have displayed continuously their support for dictatorial regimes that serve their purposes, are not the least disturbed by dictatorships. They brand Assad a dictator as a means of demonizing him for the ill-informed Western masses. But Washington, UK, and France support any number of dictatorial regimes, such as the ones in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now the military dictatorship in Egypt that is ruthlessly killing Egyptians without any Western government speaking of invading Egypt for “killing its own people.” from :

Btw, re. your link above, I always dug 'Pearl Jam' & it beats the ass off Mylie's 'twerking' so thanx & fyi :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

''Showing They Learned Nothing From Iraq, Corporate Media Help Beat War Drums for Trump Attack on Syria'', by Jake Johnson:

fiat lux et pax ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23315) 2 years ago

All the Syrian refugees left to rot by the USA, UK & France. Let's not forget them. It's total hypocrisy for these governments to claim they care about the Syrian people.

They make that claim purely for the benefit of the Military Industrial Complex and War "Mission Accomplished" to line their pockets with money.

I'm waiting for the "Humanity Mission." I guess I'll be waiting a while.


Here's how much the UK gov't cares about Syrian children:


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

USA took in ELEVEN Syrian refugees in 2018 but claims that it gives a shit about Syrian casualties in a war that it has fueled & financed!!! F/UK/US' 1% do not give a flying fk about Syria's people, as it is ALL about Regime Change and Hydrocarbons & Hegemony!! Have U any idea, what your other respondent is on about?! Maybe U could ask him what Russia and China did to reduce Syria to rubble, and why he wears U$A's Oligarchy's ass as a hat? Maybe he should consider some/all of this...

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23315) 2 years ago

"How the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq"

by Seamus Milne, The Guardian


"The sectarian terror group won’t be defeated by the western states that incubated it in the first place"

Hmmmm. "On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting."

"US and western policy in the conflagration that is now the Middle East is in the classic mould of imperial divide-and-rule. American forces bomb one set of rebels while backing another in Syria, and mount what are effectively joint military operations with Iran against Isis in Iraq while supporting Saudi Arabia’s military campaign against Iranian-backed Houthi forces in Yemen. However confused US policy may often be, a weak, partitioned Iraq and Syria fit such an approach perfectly.

What’s clear is that Isis and its monstrosities won’t be defeated by the same powers that brought it to Iraq and Syria in the first place, or whose open and covert war-making has fostered it in the years since. Endless western military interventions in the Middle East have brought only destruction and division. It’s the people of the region who can cure this disease – not those who incubated the virus."

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Prof. Jeffrey D. Sachs on Syria ...

Above is a rare moment of truth on TV & thanx for that excellent excerpt from that Seamus Milne article.

Nearly three years old & so predictive of what has happened in Syria. U can see why Seamus is one of

Jeremy Corbyn's closest advisers. Syria is not a ''mistake or misjudgment'', it's a total F/UK/US CRIME!

Note that your other interlocutor here, has failed to respond to the same vid.in reply to his screed below.

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23315) 1 year ago

Jeffrey Sachs on Syria. Your youtube link has been taken down. This link works:


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Re.''Professor Lays Down TRUTH About Syria on CORPORATE MEDIA'' many thanx bw for your replacement link. Have U seen Prof. Jeffrey Sachs on TV anytime since those revealing truth-bombs? Nope. Me neither. + Re, Syria, FYI please consider:

e tenebris, lux?

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

Rus China's attitude regarding refugees was: http://www.newsweek.com/china-will-not-accept-syria-refugees-return-home-629499

How many Syrian refugees did Rus China accept? Guess.

Normally, the U.S. takes in many refugees year after year but just look at what we've gotten in our White House now. I don't know whether Rustia has cracked our 2016 Election because Mueller's investigation continues. However, Cambridge Analytica certainly had a hand in helping to put the bullshit there. I think that Rustia somehow funded Cambridge Analytica. The way our bullshit bends to favor Rustia undercutting his far more professional staffers is a very strong indication that Rustia probably holds a leash on the bullshit. Hillary would probably have admitted more refugees into the U.S. than bullshit because she had proposed a no-fly zone in northern Syria. However, Rustia's airforce was already there. Having U.S. fighter jets there bossing around in the sky could easily provoke a dogfight with the Rustian aircraft. It seems that clashes between the U.S. and Rustia are unavoidable in Syria because they are allied on opposing sides there.

I cheered when Pootin went into Syria bigtime and gave him the title "Pootin the Great." All he had done since then was wreaking havoc and creating human waves of misery sloshing towards Europe. ( Why not Africa, Rustia, or Rus China? Isn't it obvious? ) I understood gradually that he and Assad were aerial-bombing the Syrian civilians to turn them into refugees ( or endless anti-regime freedom fighters including ISIL which has Assad as its chief recruiter, and Syria into rubble ) for destabilizing the E.U. which he succeeded by causing Brexit. The U.K. allowed refugees to bring their families over later ( rather rare in the E.U. but it's more humane ) and it was doing well economically with jobs and good pay and benefits. Pootin was Not trying to stabilize the situation in Syria at all. I was wrong about his intentions and duly disappointed.

The U.K. was handling the refugees better by interviewing them in the refugee camps rather than having them take the very perilous voyage to get to the U.K. themselves. Germany was very generous and mostly welcoming to the refugees so I certainly appreciate Germany's stepping up to help although I would have preferred better screening and interviewing onsite, more similar to what the U.K. had done. Germany was a novice at taking in so many refugees at once so it should generally be excused for any bumbling.

Aerial-bombings by Assad and Pootin replenished with many aggrieved civilians the many groups of anti-regime/anti-coalition fighters. Just read how many different groups are involved here in the U.S./Rustia clash. Wars are just burning fires. We know how to control and prevent or extinguish fires: fuels, oxidants, and ignitions. Automobile engineers got the control of fire down to a fine art using fuel pumps, oxygen sensors, spark plugs, electronic fuel injection, ceramic-coated aluminum engines, etc. We can learn from them. Get people well-fed well-fucked ( but NOT producing a population explosion! All well-off countries don't suffer from population explosion so yeah, necessary are the contraceptive pills, barrier and rhythm methods, cunnilingus, fellatio, intercrural, pornography, masturbation, sex dolls serving Homo/Robo (gynoids/androids) Integration, or gay { Spartan warriors whom so many Fascists aspire to were probably gay similar to the carbon atoms in diamonds each forming up to and mostly FOUR! extremely strong bonds in the gayest mineral of all } and lesbian sex in the more individualistic and imaginative countries or draconian birth control methods such as forced abortions, genital mutilations, honored killings, stonings, or infanticides in the more fascist countries ) and wars die down. Biologists phrase it as food and sex, just a bit more politely than I.

Machiavelli wrote "The Prince" targeted for Lorenzo to use but Lorenzo earned "il magnifico" for his title without adhering to Machiavellian methods. It showed that fascist-style control is NOT absolutely necessary to achieving the desirable ends. "Firm on purpose; pliant on means," suffices. Lorenzo can rightfully be named as the Godfather of the Renaissance which catapulted the brutish infighting very divided and superstitious Medieval Europe to global wealth, dominance, and power. At Reykjavik, Reagan and Gorbachev together "shot down thousands of nuclear-tipped ICBMs" (the firm purpose) without later deploying the Star-Wars Defense (a pliant means). Alzheimer's earnest grand vision came true without going through a devastating nuclear war. It wasn't a dream. It's peace in our time.

Libya, Yemen, and Syria were all ignited by ( anthropogenic in my take ) climate change and exhaustion of oil revenue in Yemen's case. The attack on U.S.S. Cole pre-saged 9/11 attacks by nearly a year while Bush-it was campaigning on the U.S. leaving the troublesome countries to their own device. The total klutzes of the Bush-it regime created much suffering for many countries for decades already. One cannot withdraw unilaterally ever without having something else replacing the U.S. support. We NEVER do that to any building unless we are tearing it down. Yeah, I still remember our withdrawing support from Afghanistan only to have Al-Qaeda coming back out with a vengeance on 9/11/2001. Invading Iraq and firing its army personnel made the U.S. "penile Chainies" rich with Iraqi oil beyond our wildest dreams! We also told our enemies there when we would be drawing down our troops and be completely out of Iraq, smart weren't we?

None of these decades-long wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would have occurred were the U.S. earnest in building the Amero-Eurasian Empire and occupied the new accretions. The U.S. occupations of Germany and Japan had gone very well so it could be done with U.S. knowhow. Our problem was not being colonial or imperialistic enough so everyone criticizes us for the disastrous aftermaths. Withdrawal of troops after winning a war has been a rare practice amongst other nations. If the regional powers cannot or would not stabilize the war-torn aftermaths, the U.S. should just occupy them indefinitely by ourselves for the welfare of our posterity.

Gentlemen, we've done it before, in Japan -- we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make his bigger, stronger, faster...

Yeah, we should start a "well-fed well-fucked" Party to save the World from wars!

We only live once.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Prof. Jeffrey D. Sachs on Syria ...

I have not read your excessively long screed above, as I am too busy and just haven't the time to spare

BUT I will do so and reply accordingly IF U will put 5m36s of of your time in and watch the video above.

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Tulsi Gabbard's Deleted Tweet Video ...

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

How many Syrian refugees did the two "Eastern-culture" permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, Rus China and Russian Federation, take in? And why?

Most of Russia's political and economic weights are Western but it had consistently tried to define itself as the Opposition so as to stand with Rus China to be Eastern instead. This is why the Western parts of Russia may join the E.U. without too much difficulty but the Eastern parts may experience far more significant shocks. Even Germany still has significant problems "digesting" DDR even after decades of unification efforts.

Russia's leadership suffers from a superiority complex in that it still feels that it should be superior to the other European states because it used to lord it over many of them. It also suffers from an inferiority complex in that it knows that just one or two of the major economies of the E.U. may already dwarf Russia's economy easily. It still has a lot of sabers that may work or not work due to the lack of maintenance but they are scary things so Russia became the teacher's pest, pulling a girl's hair here, stomping on that boy's toe there, flashing a rusty spring-loaded knife here and there, just to see where the limits are and feed its ego. One fix is to send Russia into a fully padded room for a long timeout, support it to have some self-centered constructive activity to do, and heap on praises to soothe its ego.

Many failing economies blame the U.S. for their being left behind but there is such a thing as being on the wrong economic path imposing structural constraints until something like Deng's "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" happens, making the hitherto illegals, "it's glorious to be rich!" Whatever!《清真寺里卖猪肉》As if coming from a dope dealer, they sound rather ridiculous to me but the covers apparently worked well.

A far more important question is -- what have they done for the innocent people in Syria to resolve the conflict? What's the Eastern-culture's peace plan for Syria? The Amero-Euroasian Empire will realize China's dream of returning all refugees to their homeland in the empire which the U.S. can build for them.

Things can rapidly get out of control between the Russian Federation and the U.S.A. in Syria.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23315) 2 years ago

Why is it so hard to imagine that other countries have relationships with other countries that have nothing to do with America?

Russia and Syria have a long standing friendship/alliance. And, China, well, they're the longest running continuous civilization on earth so they can basically be friends with who they want, also, without getting permission from the U.S.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

I know that they can have relationships independent of the U.S. and that's fine. I object to Russia's not living up to its promise to keep Syria from using chemical weapons. I remembered that the U.S. Congress had already voted for attacking Syria for violating the international prohibition of using chemical weapons. Russia intervened on behalf of Syria so droopy geoduck refrained from spurting Syria. Russia not controlling Assad so that he does not use chemical weapons means that the spurting-Syria order from the U.S. Congress takes effect. It's perfectly logical. The U.N. has been dysfunctional in resolving the Syrian conflicts so it makes sense that the U.S. steps up to impose some humanity even in warfare. We didn't come to banning chemical weapons easily. We learnt how debilitating chemical weapon attacks could be even years after they had happened. The survivors suffered greatly long thereafter.

Russia also flew aircraft into neighboring countries with their transponders switched off. That's both illegal and dangerous to civilian aviation. For these reasons, Russia needs to be put into an isolated and fully padded room to calm down.

"Can you believe that,with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., geoduck spent the day playing Gulf.Worse than Cancer" The U.S. and Saudi Arabia's blood-and-oil special relationship went back a long way to the FDR days. Stabilized oil prices underpinned the prosperity of the postwar World for the U.S., Germany, Japan, and now China, too.

The 1970's had the two terrible oil shocks when Saudi Arabia and Iran (though not Arab) led the Arab Oil Embargo due to the U.S. backing of Israel and Ayatollah Khomeini replaced the Shah of Iran with Shia Islamic rule. My family ate the shit! I didn't know better then, "What's the Big Deal about having no gasoline and/or long lines of cars at the gas stations? New York City has an extensive subway system. It runs on electricity."

Saudi Arabia is the most important ally of the U.S. in the Middle East.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23315) 2 years ago

U.S. could move to renewable energy pretty quickly if it wanted to. It just means changing policies and putting money into renewables instead of, oh, right, war. No fun for the oligarchs who get rich off of those wars.


And, Saudi Arabia is only "important" while we march on using fossil fuels and creating wars to do so, but I'd use different words, such as "useful" to the oligarchs and "deleterious" the the masses.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

Bullshit's dipenile-transcendent plan over Bush-it for M.A.G.A. is to get it pregnant again via Earth Pollution Agency on Earth Day.

Corporatocracy America's credo's, "they're going to use that last drop of oil, and they're going to use that last piece of metal, to make that last dollar of profit."

That attitude almost killed off the U.S. automobile industry due to its capturing the U.S. government so that the gas-mileage-increase mandates were repeatedly relaxed and delayed, rendering the U.S. automobile industry more profitable in the short term by slashing R&D but fatal in the long term were it not for the repeated bailouts by the government. The inaction on R&D in order to make and sell higher gas-mileage automobiles contributed greatly to shipping most of the automobile industry jobs overseas to Japan and landed the great city of Detroit (the arsenal of democracy) in its current dire state of few jobs being available, de-population, rampant crimes, abandoned properties, gang violence, lack of tax revenue to maintain infrastructure, etc. Detroit was slated to die by the failure to regulate the automobile industry to meet the higher realistic expectations. The first requirement for any success is the clear articulation of an attainable goal and the high expectations to go with it.

As for switching the U.S. over to renewable energy, even if we had succeeded domestically, we would still be entangled in oil wars, contemplate this equation of analogy: electricity-run New York City subway system : still oil-dependent U.S.A. = renewable-energy-run U.S.A. : still oil-dependent World.

Even if the U.S. were 100% using renewable energy, our myriad linkages to the oil-dependent World would still hit us hard due to yet another oil shock. I thought New York City was doing just fine because I was riding the amazing subway ( making irrelevant the surface traffic jams and quite unnoticeable my living on a faulted island with Carl Schurz's statue located at the top of a fault being approached @11:15 after a steep and tiring climb up to Morningside Heights ) but how wrong I was!

Inflation took off. My Mom griped about rapidly rising grocery prices. Fresh orange juice at our Sunday family brunches gave way to Tang and shortly afterwards there were no more such brunches. My brother's and my own Christmas song recordings could never be played again because a burglar or burglars ransacked our apartment and stole the 8-track-magnetic-tape player/recorder and much else but I cared much more about the irreplaceable mementos, far more than the pocket-protecting cash-is-trash loose-change collection or my Dad's can of 35-cent subway tokens my parents used, each punched with a Y-shaped hole in the middle.

The aircraft carrier USS America which sprang into action after Israel had attacked USS Liberty in 1967, returned from the Vietnam Conflict. It was ultimately used for target and sunk in May of 2005. Regardless of whether Bush-it @2:08 or Bullshit, castrated or regrown with the dipenile transcendence, "Mission Accomplished" forebodes its Destiny as the New Atlantis for Waterworld.

My father lost his job, probably due to the ensuing recession after the oil embargo. In order to be away from the by-then-ridden-with-crimes racially integrated neighborhood and to cut down on housing cost, we moved away to a lily-white neighborhood where the residents were reputed to have guns, and lots of them. Yeah, that's where I learnt my appreciation of the guns used for security purposes so now I certainly support our Second Amendment, "the (stealthy soft) Sound of Freedom." The burglars came no more or they had just found it too bothersome to get to so far away. The daily commutes took much longer. Our new residence was also much smaller. I was glad that I had shortly gone away to college to live in dormitories near/on campus. I worked my smarty pants off to pay for it but a dorm-room was for me a "classe affaire" upgrade!

It was all from oil, corporations, government, Jews, and Arabs (also OPEC Aryans)--oily, greedy, bloody, quarrelsome and murderous "Chosen Semites," with anxient cultures and uncompromising customs from millennia ago BEFORE diverse peoples were mushed together. In the twentieth century, we saw medieval cultures gaining modern industrial-scale muscles suddenly thrust into a crowded modernity by rapacious imperialistic customs creating the bloodiest century in all time. Zombies with chainsaws!

Shouldn't hospital infectious-disease isolation wards be called tribalism wards? And disinfectants/acrobatic-gymnasts be called mass-germ-murdering weapons?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

"Military Cancer" ...

pacem in terris ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

Human rights is unfortunately a mostly Western concept. I say we do what we believe in, without any reservations or qualms. Cemetery quiet is what "animal Assad" is striving for, so be it, after our proper determination of the facts on the ground, with "due diligence," of course. There's no need to forewarn Russia as it had already attacked U.S. troops recently in Syria and a lot of Russians had been killed. Russia already knows what the U.S. stands for.

Should the investigative effort be obstructed, do a Hussein II, as Hussein's international agreement has been violated. It will be a godsend to unite the U.S. behind the to-be-impeached (after 60 days after starting a nuclear war, of course, according to the U.S. Congress, if there's still a quorum left) Commander-in-Chief. Nuclear war will likely be over within just two hours. No more Mueller's Russia probe is necessary as allegiance is proven beyond any doubt.

They will certainly get it loud and clear when it comes. Vengeance is ours, at the time of our choosing.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Re. "Vengeance is ours, at the time of our choosing" .. just who the flying fk d'U think U are grapes & whoTF is this "we", that U are so in league with?!!! NO "Human rights is" NOT "unfortunately a mostly Western concept" .. U Euro-centric dingbat & there are innumerable texts, in numerous languages, in many cultures - which allude to rights & responsibilities in society!! WhatTF are "U.S. troops" doing in Syria and who invited them there and, d'U really think U$A's MIC gives a fk about Syrian casualties?!

Anyway just on the chance that U are simply being sarcastic or satirical or strangely supercilious, here are some links about Syria - for later digestion and assimilation, so that U can answer those questions for yourself ...

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

A small contingent of U.S. Special Operations acting primarily as advisors are in Syria to help exterminate ISIL (which crosses into Iraq with impunity so the U.S. must help secure Northeast Syria to halt the infiltration of ISIL into Iraq). "Jihadi John," an ISIL "Beatle," beheaded James Foley, a U.S. photojournalist, violating our First Amendment right of the Freedom of the Press. As a consequence intended by our Founding Fathers under Divine Providence, our Second Amendment kicked in. I certainly support our Second Amendment as well as the advisors' right to self defense, yes, even against the Russians ( bumbling idiots [as they're unlikely to be suicidally crazy] killed/injured in probing the truthiness of our fickle Terrible-lizard's tweets?) who have been neutralized in the hundred(s) when they attacked the U.S. personnel. Quality starts with the fundamentals, such as our Bill of Rights. Allahu akbar!

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

It's good that you know human rights is not a uniquely Western concept but it is mostly a Western practice, though ( e.g., Brexit didn't hamper united Western actions against the Novichok attack; I wonder whether there were any united Eastern actions; what did Turkey, Syria, Israel, Egypt, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, UAE, Iran, Pakistan, India, China, Vietnam, etc. do?) We speak truth to power because children's squabble had enlightened me -- "your god is made of clay; your god is made of the bloodied wood; by kneeling down in front of these, both of you have committed idolatory, now let me chisel both of them away to honor [AND dishonor] the Almighty." Who is the One True God? The U.S. is pagan in its founding. Just look at the pentagram emblems on our aircraft. As the first act of prayer to the Christian God, the colonial representatives booted out sectarianism and compromised, no less by the extremists in their midst! As Benjamin Franklin, a Quaker devoted to peaceful principles, had purportedly expressed something like, "we either hang together or we should be hanged separately."

Imminent death clears the mind extremely well so as to realize what is truly important: the brethren colonies in armed revolt against tyranny, despite their being Quakers, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Baptists, and on and on. God made it clear. Peace is to be instituted amongst all brothers and sisters by first kicking out the sectarian God. Do we still revere God, having kicked out the sectarian part? Damn well, we still do. It's still being honored right there on every single U.S. coin and bill: "In God We Trust. E pluribus unum (out of many, one.)" We have in fact become the MOST religious Western country -- just ignore which particular God, gods, goddesses, or no god or goddess, we pray or not pray to. Separating Church from State was what had made the United States of America possible AND great. It's enshrined in the First Amendment, backed up by the Second Amendment at gunpoints. The U.S. has the rightful claim to enforce universal human rights (also in the U.N. Declarations) at gunpoints if necessary, ordained by the Almighty at the founding of our country. We haunt.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

Show me Russian troops backing up an international team of investigators from the U.N. Show me Chinese troops doing the same. There are none whatsoever. There are texts, speeches, languages galore alright in Eastern cultures but they are just so much suffocating carbon dioxide due to hypocrisy.

Okay, let me make up some faux news, too. China has just rescued drowning sailors in the South China Sea using its newly reclaimed-from-the-sea immovable aircraft carrier as the search-and-rescue base. Russia rushed in to Douma to catch the perpetrators of the chemical attack, to no avail naturally, and messing up the criminal evidence, of course. Oh yeah, Iran has just upheld its long and glorious tradition of stipulating laws and human rights in Persian poetry, of course. "Nuclear bombs are 《un-Islamic》 so we enrich uranium with tens of thousands of centrifuges and operate nuclear reactor to make radio-isotopes ( oh, we couldn't help but make plutonium by Mother Nature's way, could we? Allahu Akbar! Trust us, through rocketry and nuclear bombs, we realize our religion of [cemetery]Peace! ) for national nuclear-medicine independence for cancer treatments." Aren't we humane and caring? Meanwhile, chop, chop, "we have no homosexuals in Iran. We execute them." We want obedient sexpots, not un-reproductive homosexuals, as if population pressure is not high enough already to exceed the carrying capacity for that part of the miserable World. What livelihood do these massive numbers of young people get? Crickets... Ahhh, in the East, we build bonfires of [in]humanity!

Whatever! Black is white and white is black or vice versa -- it's the contrast Islam is aiming for, dude!

I could see the contrast, the reversal of fortunes alright, in the previously divided Germany, on the Korean Peninsula, Hispaniola, and

in China before and after the 1979 post-Mao Deng Xiaoping opening ( Mao had to die, for China to rise; Deng normalized relations with the U.S., legitimized, and glorified the illegal-under-Communism entrepreneurial activities of some peasants, turning socialist shit into peasant gold.)

Russia has recently been given a similar opportunity at its premiere national laboratory with its scientists doing Bitcoin mining in secrecy, absolutely ingenious people taking advantage of Russia's great strengths --

some of the best human (AI has already surpassed ALL humans, including Russians, in chess-playing decades ago) brains in the whole world [ titanium-like-awesome in Math and Science! Coming from a Remnant of the last century like me with the long-wayback memories { I remember the Détente after the KGB? had eavesdropped the rapprochement of Nixon and Mao using the mysterious white 》Grundlage der Entspannung?《 object close to Mao in the foreground of the photograph; it was a neighborhood girl, not a witch, who had sat upon it blushing and being embarrassed which effectively ended @2:55 two preschoolers' "mad scientific" quest -- saving an inquisitive kid's budding biomedical and doctoring career means avoiding Novichok -- Never ever get near to that pootinium? still-unidentified? grounding object! } traceable to its beginning and even some of the nineteenth century through oral history, it's a bit like the respect of Bill Gates for Steve Jobs in saving Apple, Inc. from bankruptcy, after a Harvard MBA from the sugarwater company Pepsico { sugar is as addictive as cocaine in human pleasure-seeking-and-addiction-circuitry studies; Warren Buffett's BRK owns many companies selling sweet de-facto-doped products for excellent profits -- it's legalized dope dealings in a sense } had sucked Apple for profits dry as a prune by putting out terrible-quality products and then bailing himself out, leaving Apple in shambles while the E.U. and the U.S. D.O.J. were gunning for monopolistic practices of Bill's Microsoft so Bill got a kickass motivation to save Microsoft's former competitor; Apple became the most profitable company ever and still exists today probably due to the antitrust laws and regulations; the U.S. gets killed by Russia in the chess-playing and elsewhere, too, especially in the current cracked bullshit ],

terrible coldness for high thermodynamic efficiency,


vast deposits of natural gas to generate electricity, ranking it close to the leading favorite Iceland where Mother Nature sings in peace the Song of Fire and Ice -- I wonder whether these Russian scientist entrepreneurs had ended up in jail due to the idiotic and blind fossilized Pootin being in charge; Deng would have glorified these heroes of Mother Rustia nationally!

Europe has emerged from its horrid past in human rights. I surmise that it was because it had gone through extremely terrible human rights violations on its soil. Despite its despicably ingenious inventions of Medieval torture devices, Germany has essentially been emasculated by wars. I know what human rights violation feels like. Although I haven't experienced human rights abuses firsthand myself, my determined and courageous Mom had told me of stories such as how an elderly widow was stripped of her livelihood and killed herself by drinking the poisonous bitter electrolyte-balance-disrupting solution that had seeped from the seasalt after its having absorbed moisture from the air. The most beautiful flower can grow from the biggest stinkiest lump of rusty bullshit given the universal solvent of human teardrops.

All great powers have emerged after terrible revolutions. Have you ever wondered why? I know why, for I am the lotus seed of the Land of the Departed Souls, the Remnant which has sprouted from this bullshit. It may be a SAM but we're the Untouchables. Allahu akbar!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

So, WTF is ''Op.Timber Sycamore''?!

I haven't read your 10+ paragraphs written over 3 days above & may not do so, as I've a distinct feeling

that I'd get very fkn angry indeed IF I subjected myself to your expansive yet myopic Merca-centric b-s!

Does ANYTHING that U say above touch on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vwKk4pADCw ?!!

If not, why not d'U think? Is it possible that being mired in U$A's MSM has now rendered U imbecilic?!!!

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Also - In compliment:

I wanted to make sure that you saw Jim's email yesterday asking for your opinion on how the US should proceed in Syria. This is a complex situation, and as a member driven organization, we want to hear your thoughts on how you think the US and DFA should move forward.

Please take a moment to let our team know your views on Syria.

Thanks for being part of DFA,


Charles Chamberlain, Executive Director Democracy for America

FW: Where do you stand on Syria? Sender: Jim Dean, Democracy For America

The civil war in Syria has claimed over 100,000 lives. And last Wednesday, the situation got even worse: at least 350 people died and over 3,600 were hospitalized after a suspected chemical attack.

Increasingly, it looks like the US may be planning a military response.

This situation is complicated, and Democracy For America members are expressing a variety of views on how we should proceed. We need to hear from you to find out where you stand.

Please take a moment to express your views on Syria here.

If you aren't sure where you stand right now, even that information is helpful. As a membership driven organization, it is vital that we hear from you. So don't hold back. Let us know what you think right now.

Thanks for all you do to move America and DFA forward,


Jim Dean, Chair Democracy for America

Donate today

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Based on the current situation, do you support U.S. military intervention in Syria?:


Please take a moment to tell us why or explain your position.:

If we get involved at this point in time - it should be to air drop medical and food supplies to the civilians in the cities as well as send food and medical supplies to all of the refugee camps and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world should do the same.

The Middle East can be considered as largely lawless ( 10,000,000 Arabs.Muslims killed by each other in how many years? ). Considering this - arms are the last thing anyone should be sending into the region.

America and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world - should withhold on sending any armaments to anyone. Peace will not break out at the end of a gun. Now while every lawful country withholds pouring fuel onto the fire - they should also be pressuring for a cease in all hostilities ( helpful if they follow through on stopping arms shipments ).

Any military action really should be carried out by the UN not NOT the USA. This military action "should" for one thing - STOP the Shelling and Bombing of the cities/civilians - that would mean declaring the whole area a no fly zone and immediately enforcing it. US military take note - stop using drone war fare in civilized areas = villages towns cities. Take out ( destroy ) all of the machines of war that are being used on and in the cities.

Do you have any other thoughts on Syria you'd like to share? :

On Syria and the middle east and Africa - stop sending in arms. Sane approach to peace health and prosperity throughout the region is better achieved - NOT by sending MONEY or ARMS - BUT by sending equipment that will provide the area with clean/green energy = solar farms wind farms even Thorium Reactors and Liquid Metal Batteries ( for storage and distribution - things we should be doing here at home as well ). Also water purification equipment. REMOVE THE REASONS FOR - THE CAUSES OF - STRIFE. This also includes breaking the fossil fuel necessity ( we need to do this for the environment anyway ).

A lot cheaper approach then to perpetuate war - kinder to ALL life.

[-] 5 points by JohnWa (513) 7 years ago

The Middle East has been a focus of Western opportunism, particularly since WWI. Syria today is a result of past US intervention.

We are increasing our abilities to earn enemies with invasions, drones, bombing, occupation and the mining of assets and resources across this strife ridden home of civilization.

I believe our record of past interventions includes a new round of bombing each 40 months on average.

No peace initiative is won by invasion but peace is not the target the bankers are after. There is too much money to be made from war and the tax payer and public here suffer.

The only terrorists easily recognizable sit either within US administration or closely behind them driving the slaughter. Psychopaths reign without restraint.

Protest and pacifism are but two of the tools we have against the war criminals.

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (5843) 7 years ago

Well Said.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 6 years ago

Agreed! NO WAR!

Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, Isreal are all eventually resource wars. Stop buying oil as an anti war protest.

Many peaceful protests and boycotts is the best approach.

[-] -1 points by JosephB (26) 7 years ago

Syria is another false flag event.

The lies we are fed make the nation sick - er.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

Bombing the Syrians back into the stone age will actually backfire in a number of ways to the detriment of the criminal overlords.

People are not just starting to doubt everything in the press, they are cuckolding it as well. The boy has cried wolf too many times now. Barry Sotoro has about as much credibility as a WMD crier after Iraq.


[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 7 years ago

Everyone needs to see this.

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 6 years ago

Love is the answer

[-] 0 points by HeckleJekyll (-2) 7 years ago

Where was the USA's drive for moral intervention to stop the genocide in the Congo, Darfur, Rwanda. Millions have been killed there, yet nothing was done, because the USA favored those regimes.

The U.S. looked the other way when then allied Saddam gased the kurds in the early 80's. Nothing was done because he was doing our bidding by fighting Iran.

The USA ignored massacres in Bahrain, because we favour their regime.

What nation is the world's biggest exporter of terrorism? What nation is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Libya? What nation has ignored the sovereign borders of many other nations?

Govt sponsored terrorism, is terrorism all the same.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

A true statement - just because a government "does it" - it does not mean that it is not criminal or terroristic. But the USA is not the only country with an indifferent government - indifferent to the killings and strife in other countries - nor is it the only country that is aggressive militarily in going after what it wants.

Currently - guerrilla insurgents from across the border are raising hell in Syria. Though this started after Assad started a military program of Democide on his people. The guerrillas could well be armed with serin and using it for their own reasons. Still that does not absolve Assad of his program of Democide.

Been going on for a couple of years now - look at all of the indifference of all the nations in the UN. Look at the big three that are looking after their own interests in the area - USA, Russia, China. There are others plenty of others with an interest in the area. And look at what has been done over the decades to settle things down in the area - Arms Shipments and such.

There is plenty of blame to go around. Around the world.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

democide ?

Democide is a term revived and redefined by the political scientist R. J. Rummel as "the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide and mass murder.

There is plenty of blame to go around. Around the world.

fair enough but that doesn't give the US a free pass to practice that

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago
[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

got it

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

pat pat pat

There wasn't any room below.


[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Translation - US and Obama aren't that bad.

Translation = U have a specific agenda which does not recognize all of the other involvements/causes.


[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Greed is the #1 cause of Disease Death & Destruction in the World.

Democide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Based on the current situation, do you support U.S. military intervention in Syria?:


Please take a moment to tell us why or explain your position.:

If we get involved at this point in time - it should be to air drop medical and food supplies to the civilians in the cities as well as send food and medical supplies to all of the refugee camps and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world should do the same.

The Middle East can be considered as largely lawless ( 10,000,000 Arabs.Muslims killed by each other in how many years? ). Considering this - arms are the last thing anyone should be sending into the region.

America and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world - should withhold on sending any armaments to anyone. Peace will not break out at the end of a gun. Now while every lawful country withholds pouring fuel onto the fire - they should also be pressuring for a cease in all hostilities ( helpful if they follow through on stopping arms shipments ).

Any military action really should be carried out by the UN not NOT the USA. This military action "should" for one thing - STOP the Shelling and Bombing of the cities/civilians - that would mean declaring the whole area a no fly zone and immediately enforcing it. US military take note - stop using drone war fare in civilized areas = villages towns cities. Take out ( destroy ) all of the machines of war that are being used on and in the cities.

Do you have any other thoughts on Syria you'd like to share? :

On Syria and the middle east and Africa - stop sending in arms. Sane approach to peace health and prosperity throughout the region is better achieved - NOT by sending MONEY or ARMS - BUT by sending equipment that will provide the area with clean/green energy = solar farms wind farms even Thorium Reactors and Liquid Metal Batteries ( for storage and distribution - things we should be doing here at home as well ). Also water purification equipment. REMOVE THE REASONS FOR - THE CAUSES OF - STRIFE. This also includes breaking the fossil fuel necessity ( we need to do this for the environment anyway ).

A lot cheaper approach then to perpetuate war - kinder to ALL life.


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

But you ignore the corp(se)oRAT influence on government as well as corp(se)oRATist politicians in office ( state & Fed ) that forward these military resource oriented agendas. It is NOT one individual's doing - All of the crap of our dying democracy and our dying planet.


[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

Who are these others?


[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

Names please.

Generics aren't very useful.

And what State are you in?

[-] -2 points by zacharilogan (-54) 7 years ago

I'm in New-York. Get the names of all the politicians for the Democrats and the Republicans. Add to that all the names of Evangelists with power. Then all the rich people who use their power over others. The list is in the thousands and thousands of people.

But really, I'm not interested in particular actors. Obama is important for this posting since this news article by Occupy is about the government Obama is leading, but what really interests me is the system. Even if you change the actors, the system will simply corrupt the new ones. The problem is the system. It's capitalism which creates monetary power over others, and political hierarchy which creates political power over others.

You seem almost angry that I would be against Obama's way of presiding the country. Perhaps I'm reading you wrong? It's hard to tell what people are thinking sometimes on these forums.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

-] -1 points by zacharilogan (-37) 11 minutes ago

And you're shooz's web bodyguard? You guys lovers or something? Why are you both stalking me?

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

My My My - U sound suspiciously like a certain trash-can - U guys network?

[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

I was thinking girl friday


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

[-] -1 points by zacharilogan (-15) 1 minute ago

Sounds like you're paid to be Obama's web bodyguard.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

It "seems" as though U and Ur's do not know the difference between -




Not surprising.


[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

Yet you only repeat the name of a single "actor". Several times in fact, while ignoring all others..

Do you get paid by the number?

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

i keep giving this points but the points they do nothing


[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

What I was looking for was the names of the CEOs of the defense contractors and their attendant lobbyists. in New York, as well as their major controlling share holders.

Actual names, not political rhetoric..



[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Well - now the strident republicon supporter sounds-off. SURPRISE - NOT.

Hey little sock - did you get reinstated? Ummm - by the site - I mean. Not by your Hot air-idness self.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago


i do my best


[-] -2 points by HeckleJekyll (-2) 7 years ago

You are correct.

President Barry, Oblahblah, Obomber is a con man. So are any others who support our corrupt money oriented political system. What has Obomber done to get money out of politics? To prosecute the criminals on Wall st? To stop the MIC? To end Neoliberalism policies that are destroying the Middle class? Clearly Barry is a puppet of the 1%.

The speech giver in chief. Monsanto protector, TPP promoter, war crimes, peace prize winner.

Why is this 1% puppet being vehemently defended on the Occupy forum?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

obummer ? vehemently defended ? aAHHAHAHAhahaha


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Responding here - "I" am pretty sure who U R - and I guess "U" remain the same ( no surprise ) - it is only OK 4 U 2 B insulting - Hey? U run around trying 2 put words in peoples mouths - and wonder why U might get slapped. This is an open forum - in that - posts and comments made R open 2 all 2 respond 2 - butt - "U" already know that.

BTW - it is not my fault that U R a Mental midget.


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

And the beat goes on - and the beat goes on - drums keep pounding dementia into it's Brain - la de da de de - la de da de da - and the beat goes on - and the beat goes on on on on



[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

[-] -2 points by zacharilogan (-37) 55 minutes ago

Do I know you? What's your real name. I use mine here. Here's my site: http://www.zacharilogan.com/

Like I said, I'm not here to play trolling games. Could you please stop stalking me?

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

If U R not trying to impersonate this guy? U sound pretty much self-involved anyway. huh another reason U sound like a certain trash-can.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Responding here - U R the 1 keeping the conversation going ( want to stop going back and forth? - don't reply. )


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Hey - shill boy - your song - drums keep pounding dementia into it's Brain - la de da de de - la de da de da - and the beat goes on - and the beat goes on on on on

One upped ? Sorry U feel that way. Not my fault if U R slow.

This place isn't healthy.

If so - U & yours made it that way.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

i am typhoid mary

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Beat your drum idiot - beat your drum. It's all obummers fault folks - listen to the voice of zack - it is all the fault of obummer.

What ( the people ask ) what is all the fault of obummer?

Why everything ( zack replies ) everything.


[-] -2 points by zacharilogan (-54) 7 years ago

Nope, I didn't say it was all Obama's fault. Read my messages again. I said he's part of the problem, just like all the other 1%ers. But, because he's President of US, he's a 1% with a lot of power these days. If you read the Monsanto Protection Act, you'll find his signature.

We should go after all the 1%ers. No exceptions.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Well then - I would suggest you do a lot of work on how you present things. As - for right now - you - look to be - obsessed with obummer.


[-] -1 points by buliau (-29) 7 years ago

Why would a user be considered a troll if a lot of people read his posts?


[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

[-] -1 points by zacharilogan (-6) 3 minutes ago

We are denouncing the complete disregard from the government of the United States which is led by Obama. You don't think he has a big responsibility to play in this? If not, that's fine. Include everyone else you want. Don't exclude Obama though. He's part of the 1%. I'm not sure why you got all uptight that I mentioned his name. Is it a taboo here or something? I noticed this other guy, shooz, seems upset as well.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

OH GO SPANK YOUR MEAT you little strident ass.


[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Who is defending obummer?

"The “No War With Syria” movement denounces the complete disregard of the government of the United States for the will of the American people as reflected in the government's decision to start yet another war."

The again - who is singling obummer out? Not the no war with Syria movement as your comment shows.

Here - for Ur enjoyment:


[-] -3 points by zacharilogan (-54) 7 years ago

We are denouncing the complete disregard from the government of the United States which is led by Obama. You don't think he has a big responsibility to play in this? If not, that's fine. Include everyone else you want. Don't exclude Obama though. He's part of the 1%. I'm not sure why you got all uptight that I mentioned his name. Is it a taboo here or something? I noticed this other guy, shooz, seems upset as well.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Who tied - presented and tied that legislation as a rider? A rider that would stop the legislation it was tied to? UMmmmmmmmmmm let me think ....

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

blood money compensation for all those blown to shlag by US arms



[-] -1 points by buliau (-29) 7 years ago

Obama is a horrible president who's been leading America in the wrong direction since he's been elected. His idea of going to war is wrong and dangerous. We should occupy with vehemence and integrity to stop this war from happening. There are other ways America can intervene if it wants to be the world's savior.


[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

except every other section of the world has other plans


[-] -1 points by buliau (-29) 7 years ago

Sarcasm doesn't really work on the InternetI guess.



[-] -2 points by buliau (-29) 7 years ago

Obama joining Occupy to fund and create a huge world protest for peace would be amazing! That could change the world! I'd give him another Nobel Peace Prize for it.

Sadly, it won't happen. Obama is part of the 1%. He doesn't really care about peace even though he has a Nobel Peace Prize. You know the 1% are making a mockery of the world when they give the Nobel Peace prize to someone like Obama. I feel like they spat in my face.

[-] -2 points by zacharilogan (-54) 7 years ago

Ya, you're right. We need a president with integrity, honesty, and real will to help his people. But how? I don't think it's possible in the current system. Someone would have to be corrupted and malicious like Obama to even have a chance to make it to the top.



[-] -2 points by zoealif (-3) 7 years ago

"Peace is created through compassion and forgiveness, which must come from within."???? Especially when you opponent is using chemical weapons. OMG - the US left intelligensia :/

Read some actual news from Syrians who have been protesting and opposing the Assad regime.

http://tahriricn.wordpress.com/ http://darthnader.net/ https://www.facebook.com/ActivistsNewsAssociation

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8252) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

We should stop trading with Russia and stop trading with any country that trades with Russia, until Russia tells Syria to stop this crap, but that would cost a lot of money and the American people will most likely decide to spend the lives of working class children instead.