Forum Post: Who was/is the real troll - DKAtoday or Odin?
Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 20, 2012, 2:02 a.m. EST by trollanalysis
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Odin favors an anarchist type revolution. He wants to take the system down from the outside. To him, the system is broke. In his eyes, both the democrats and the republicans are corrupted to the core.
DKAtoday favors change from within the government. He believes the democratic party can be saved, and that the government system is not broken beyond repair. He writes letters addressed to the President instead of writing letters addressed to occupiers. That's because he thinks the President is in the best position to change things, not occupiers.
Some might say Odin is a dreamer, others might say DKAtoday has co-opted OWS. What say you?
It's important to note that DKAtoday does have a lot of power here. He's a leader of sorts. He managed to get Odin banned just by asking the admins. That's power. In his defense, the admins don't use this site much and he's the most active user, so he should in a sense have a say on who gets banned and who doesn't.
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Life doesn't start when one signs up to this site, nor does one have to be signed up to this site to read it, nor does all the information concerning OWS reside on this site. There is nothing interesting about the creation date of a user. It's not important at all. The only thing that matters are the good ideas people might have.
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What deception? The comments and posts are all that matter. You read them then you either agree or disagree. If they are interesting you reply, if not you ignore. For all you know, all the other users on this forum are one person, or computers. Who cares? Just worry about the ideas being presented.
Everything is a deception. Maybe I am you, Zendog, and you are saying I am deceiving people to make it seem like you are legit when it is you, me, deceiving in a deep fashion.
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Let's stick with the facts - shall we?
OPEN LETTERS To The Fed. Gov. & The People :
http://occupywallst.org/forum/is-the-government-of-the-usa-trading-places-with-t/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-open-letter-to-the-people-of-the-usa-and-to-the/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/of-the-people-by-the-people-for-the-people-an-open/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-open-letter-to-the-state-department-to-the-worl/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/playtime-is-over-time-to-get-adults-to-do-some-par/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/open-letter-to-the-government-oath-of-office-72820/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/todays-modern-money-banking-investments-economy-an/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/give-em-all-a-madoff-makeover-from-riches-to-rags-/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/wardeath-by-drone-is-it-really-a-good-policy-or-is/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/letter-to-the-president-and-all-members-of-governm/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/let-us-get-our-priorities-syraight-an-open-letter-/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proper-reform-what-do-you-think/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/standing-on-the-very-brink-of-doom-an-open-letter-/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/send-a-letter-to-the-potus-and-share-it-with-the-p/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-open-letter-one-comment-from-a-conversation-on-/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-open-letter-concerning-minimum-wage-though-i-wo/
Letters to the President? Please... Think grassroots. We are the ones who will change America, not the President with his broken system. Don't write letters to the President and make them public afterwards. That just lends credence and importance to him. He's not important. He can't change anything. We can! We are the power. Address your letters to the people, not to the President.
The letters are open letters to government to the people of the USA to the governments of the world to the people of the world.
U can be divisive all you want - Just Take it Somewhere else as it is not welcome here!
Principles of Solidarity Declaration of the Occupation
I'm not trying to divide, I'm trying to bring us all together against the corruption of the current government. Addressing the government is acknowledging that it is worthwhile and useful. That's messed up coming from OWS!
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Do you also write letters to the President?
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I assume you kept such an important letter and its reply. Could you post it here for all of us to read?
My assumption is that you agree with VQkag2 that the dems are the party of the poor and needy? http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-dems-are-the-party-of-the-poor-and-needy/
When did you start fantasizing about the head o state?
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Well, good luck with your Obama campaign. Who knows, in the end you might be right, perhaps the status quo is the best way. Like VQkag2 once said - "The dems are the party of the poor and needy!"
Eat shit and bark at the moon one-eye.
i can see why you were chosen to represent ows.
No one has chosen me to represent anything or anyone. I have chosen to try to speak-up and speak-out for humanity.
yes, THAT post. and still, the joke is on you.
Yes it was - how insightful of you to notice that. Or did someone have to explain it to you? Yep - still gotta chuckle now and then - funny stuff.
the joke is on you.
If you mean the post about getting picked to go to NY?
Yeah - pretty funny - Hey?
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You are indeed entitled to your opinion, and you might be correct in following the path laid out by DKAtoday and VQka2 (whom very much espouse the same ideas you do... interesting).
Perhaps Obama is a righteous man as you claim and perhaps he is the leader of the party for the poor and needy. Only time will tell.
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You believe there are only two platforms of political thought in US? You are not aware of third parties which might be more honest than the democrats? How can change come forth if people always vote between two parties? You should support the party you most believe in even though they are not going to win. This will make them stronger for the next time around. Unless we push the ideas we believe in with honesty, they will not rise to the top. Republicans are an obvious bad choice. The Democrats also since they represent the status quo, exactly what OWS is fighting against.
US has a two party system because people don't vote for the third parties since they can't win. Well, elections is not just short term, it's also long term. In other countries, small parties have become big parties over time because people have voted for them more and more. The system is alive. In US, the democratic system is dead because people do not vote for what they honestly want, they vote for the lesser evil. This might be better for the short term, but it creates a static country in the long term. A country which doesn't strive towards change.
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Only you would compare my talking about getting corpoRATist's out of office or my chastising the government in open letters as a front on solid campaign for the democrats.
Like I said one-eye your vision and your perception is faulty or just plain divisive or a subtle attack on OWS and all Occupy supporters.
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No - It Is U that Is Messed-Up.
OccupyWallSt.org is the unofficial de facto online resource for the growing occupation movement happening on Wall Street and around the world. We're an affinity group committed to doing technical support work for resistance movements. We're not a subcommittee of the NYCGA nor affiliated with Adbusters, anonymous or any other organization.
Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #ows is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to fight back against the richest 1% of people that are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future.
The occupations around the world are being organized using a non-binding consensus based collective decision making tool known as a "people's assembly". To learn more about how to use this process to organize your local community to fight back against social injustice, please read this quick guide on group dynamics in people's assemblies.
Principles of Solidarity
Declaration of the Occupation
Yes, exactly, it's about the people getting together, not about writing letters to ask if our President can change this or that. It's about making those changes ourselves, not asking someone to make them for us.
There's no reason to address the President, unless you think he'll help us. He won't. And, we don't need his help. We are building the future ourselves.
One Eye - your sight is as faulty as ever and you are just as divisive as ever - Go Away.
I assume you agree with VQkag2 that the democrats are the party of the poor and needy? http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-dems-are-the-party-of-the-poor-and-needy/
I assume you have a poster of Obama in your house?
Have someone read you the open letters I have posted - hopefully they can explain them to you. Your comprehension is seriously flawed ( or is it ? ) as you like being divisive or are you just a corpoRATist trying to hide under the illusion of being an OWS supporter?
You believe that to be Pro OWS is to be Pro Democrat. You believe that to be anti-Democrat is to be anti-OWS. In essence, you believe there is no difference between Obama's party, the one which was in office during the time OWS was started, as with the OWS movement itself.
Voting for Obama is voting for the status quo. It's being a coward afraid of change. True change will come by voting for who we really believe in if such a third party exists, or by protesting if such a party does not exist. It does not come by voting for the status quo.
Who are you sleeping with tonight? Is your girl a democrat or an anarchist?
Still trying to put your words in someone else's mouth - go away one-eye you are blind in more then the one eye. Your gray matter appears to be rotting as well.
ows is owned an operated by george soros and his network of organizations.
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soros owns you. owns ows. owns obama.
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Taking the system down from the outside means millions more people put into poverty, it means the poorest will starve! It is easy to say "take it down from the outside" without specifying the details to prevent the kind of misery that is always accompanied by major systemic changes.
Odin never spoke of details! His focus, comments and therefore purpose was to encourage OWS supporters to give up their right to vote! Maybe the 2 party system is beyond repair. It is bought & paid for! So let's get that money out of politics. Support "Move to Amend".
We CAN take back our govt. We MUST take back our govt. There is nothing the people united can not do!!
Stop Encouraging The Troll, dude !!!
ad iudicium ...
Ok.
And I shall take my own advice too !!! Lol !!
pax et lux ...
You seem confused. You want to vote, but then you want to take back your government. I think you fail to realize that taking back the government means taking it out of commission first.
that is one approach. But that will hurt the poorest amongst us too much.
There is a better approach and you are mistaken if you think your way is the only way.
I'm not confused! I care about the people hurt by your approach. Your problem is you don't care aabout who gets hurt.
Isn't OWS supposed to be a protest against the government? Isn't voting supposed to be an action that shows support for a various party of the government? Are you here to protest against Obama and the conservatives, or are you here to vote for them? I'm honestly curious.
I'm not saying my way is the only, I'm saying it's the OWS way.
If your way is to favor the Democrat party over anarchy and/or direct action, then you are a democrat and not an OWS supporter. Nothing wrong with that, it's just that you're on the wrong forum. I suggest you head over the the democrat forum and discuss your ideas there.
Consider : 'AnalTroll', allegedly engaged in "trollanalysis" is THE Definitive Troll !!!
You are a 'Two Faced Dissension Monkey' !! That's what I "say" !
Gnothi Seauton ...
Thank you for your time and consideration. Who do you think is the troll, DKAtoday, or Odin?
I "think" U R An (x) - that's 100% of what I think about you as far as you need to know, 'trollA' !!!
multum in parvo ...
I guess we haven't much to say to each other. I thank you for bumping my postings and comments and wish you luck in your future endeavors.
odin is a partisan hack, I don't know what the hell you're talking about:
[-] -2 points by Odin (2922) from Island Heights, NJ 17 hours ago Reality does matter. Look at all the "people losing their homes," and have lost their chance for a golden retirement, under Obama. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink
How is he a partisan hack. He's right. OWS, an anti-government protest, started under Obama's regime for a reason. If OWSs goal is to be pro Obama, then why call itself anti-government and start during Obama's regime. OWS is against all forms of governance emanating form the current political system. It's against Obama, Bush, etc...
Really, if you look at Obama and Bush, the only real difference is that Obama keeps what he does on the down low. He doesn't scream and seek attention like Bush. But, he does pretty much the same thing. He sends drones to wars, helps the rich, etc... OWS is against all that.
obama has been a member of the down low club since his days in chicago. bath house barry.
And your profile shows "you" joined the forum on 8/20/2012 with this silly question
who be d troll ?
Never heard of 'em.
Who was DKA yesterday?
"The question is not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."
I'm voting Rain Pail
upsetting us all into ignoring with real issues
Yes, go the Rain Pail.