Forum Post: Syria - foreign aggression?
Posted 13 years ago on Aug. 6, 2012, 3:51 a.m. EST by arturo
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In an interview to be published in the Aug. 10 edition of EIR magazine, Dr. Bassam El-Hachem, professor at the Lebanese University in Beirut, and leading figure in Gen. Michel Aoun's Free Patriotic Tendency (Courant Patriotique Libre, CPL), charges that the current assault on the Assad regime is not a civil war, but the result of foreign aggression.
"This is a foreign war against Syria, decked out in the finery of a resistance movement against a dictatorial, authoritarian regime," El-Hachem said. In this sense it is similar to the war which ravaged Lebanon in the 1970s, which was fed by foreign sources.
Dr. El-Hachem and the Aoun movement have had a long history of opposition to the Syrian government, but General Aoun has recently spoken out against the attempt to topple Bashar Assad by force. Asked about this, Dr. El-Hachem ripped apart the "human rights" fraud:
"Do human beings have more rights in Saudi Arabia, in the United Arab Emirates, or in Qatar, than in Syria? We recently saw a young Tunisian get his throat slit. For having had the 'presumptuousness' of converting to Christianity, he was publicly dismembered, in a ritual manner, by a Salafist group which arrogated to itself the right to execute men in the name of Allah.
"What did we see in Libya? We were promised democracy and what do we witness now? The destruction of Libyan unity, on behalf of an ensemble of gangs, clans, armed tribes, and a latent state of war among them, that the dictatorial Qaddafi regime had previously succeeded in containing. It's true: Qaddafi in his time was a horror, but what has replaced him is terror."
The various minorities of Syria - Alawites, Christians, Druse, Kurds face really tough times -- possibly genocide -- if it is true that the western backed rebels are led by or predominantly Islamists who in other contexts might be labeled as al Qaeda by our MSM. The rebels are armed by anti democratic regimes that are oppressing Shia Muslims like Bahrain, where the US 5th Fleet anchors and Saudi Arabia. Anyone who thinks these regimes want a bottom to top democracy in their neighborhood and would give weapons to any group who might bring that situation about is smoking something really seriously strong. These regimes once and for a long time got along famously with Assad and in fact the US used to send "terror suspects" to Assad's Syria for some softening up type conversations that White House lawyers didn't want US staff conducting on US soil.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/05/opinion/syrias-threatened-minorities.html?_r=1
"But the region’s minorities increasingly risk becoming expendable collateral damage in the open-ended civil war in Syria. Many of Syria’s ruling Alawites — and their Kurd, Assyrian, Maronite Christian, Greek Catholic and Orthodox fellow minorities, indeed even the prudent Druze — feel caught in a vicious zero-sum game."
http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/china-accuses-west-of-blocking-political-solution-in-syria/
China Accuses West of Blocking Political Solution In Syria BEIJING: China on Saturday accused countries that oppose its position on Syria of undermining attempts to find a political solution to the conflict, after voting against a new UN resolution on the crisis.
The UN General Assembly on Friday overwhelmingly passed a resolution slamming the Security Council’s failure to take strong steps to end the fighting, which UN leader Ban Ki-moon said has become a “proxy war”.
Russia and China, which have vetoed three UN Security Council resolutions on Syria, were among high-profile opponents of the resolution which many diplomats said showed frustration at the lack of action on the conflict.
Wang Kejian, a senior official in the Chinese foreign ministry, attacked countries “which have made unfounded criticism of China’s position on the issue of Syria”.
“And these countries, in pursuit of their own geopolitical interests in Syria, are trying to hinder or even undermine the political settlement process.”
“The legitimate requests and aspirations of the Syrian people for change and for safeguarding their own interests deserve respect,” he added.
The assembly’s resolution, which condemned President Bashar al-Assad’s use of “heavy weapons” in the civil war, was passed by 133 votes with 12 countries against and 31 abstaining.
Though the resolution is not legally binding, there was increased attention on the vote after the resignation of UN-Arab League envoy Kofi Annan and the mounting battle for the Syrian city of Aleppo.
It seems that the west is willing to at least gamble that certain ethnic and religious minorities in Syria be destroyed. This wouldn't be too cynical for them.
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i think whats going on is this. Prime Minister of Turkey was a good friend of Assad. They went to holiday together. Then Usa told him to let so called rebels (terrorists) in Turkey and feed them. Everyone giving them guns and satellite phones. We feed thousands of syrian refugees. We gave them credit cards that every month they can spend 400 liras. Now syrian forces fell back from Turkey's border. Leaving that area to PKK (kurdish terrorist group that were killing turkish soldiers every day for the last couple of decades) and they are ruling that area. This is messed up in too many ways that i dont even wanna read anything about it. Everyone knows if there is no war then there is no need for weapon factories. So i ask you. Why do we not raise people to replace these people but choose from bad apple basket? And why we do not have a Howard Beale yet?
Worthy of further calm consideration & cool cogitation :
fiat lux ; fiat pax ; fiat justitia ....
By the heading - I am confused - Is the Syrian government that is and has been slaughtering it's own people for some time now being considered outside/foreign aggression? Didn't read the article I must admit as I scanned it and it seemed that there was some pretty silly shit in there.
That foreign aggression would be the Washington-, London-, and Saudi-supported "opposition":
From the moment the British, Obama, and Sarkozy murdered Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi last October, the Putin leadership of Russia has been on to the British Empire's game: a confrontation to break Russia's and China's defense of national sovereignty, with the threat of launching thermonuclear war. That imperial strategy is continuing, with an almost daily escalation against Syria, with the aim of forcing Russian (and Chinese) capitulation to the Empire's drive for global dictatorship.
Fortunately for humanity, the Russian leadership has drawn the line, and refused to back down. It has received crucial support from the highest levels of the U.S. military, in an ongoing battle against the British-controlled grouping in the Obama Administration, led by Obama himself. But the Empire, desperate to hang onto power under threat of its own bankrupty-disintegration, cannot, by its very nature, give up. Mankind continues to live on the edge of thermonuclear war.
With this reality in mind, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, over the past week, has announced new strategic initiatives against the British drive to overthrow Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, including a proposal for an international conference including all Syria's neighbors, and, most importantly, exposing the fact that it is the Washington-, London-, and Saudi-supported "opposition" that is behind the massacres which are being used to justify a "humanitarian" war of aggression against Syria.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2012/3924putin_line_v_war.html
U R funny - Hey - BTW - is part of your teaching(?) job in China to blog positive PR propaganda for the Chinese gubment?
Sorry just scanned your BS a little further so besides being a propagandist for China you also blog PR propaganda for the Russians ? Seeing as both China and Russia have some personal interests in Syria?
Yeah, but it doesn't pay very well. Can you help me get a job like yours blogging for the global financial oligarchy?
I'm afraid you are not a match
I am so disappointed!
How Soon is Now? - The Smiths (Full Version)
Yeah your perception is screwed up all right. Did they Manchurian candidate you or do you do your BS voluntarily?
You constantly post positive propaganda Bullshit about China.
Now for your return accusation - go ahead and show your basis of proof.
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lots of people in China
people can do good things
Yes there is an amazingly large number of people in China - but lying on behalf of the Chinese government like arturo does is not gonna help those people.
Don't you think it odd that arturo has all of this freedom to use the internet when the Chinese people do not?
Don't you find it funny that we do not hear from the Chinese People?
I mean their government is quite controlling of the internet in their country - so do you not find arturo's internet use freedom a little odd?
I have very little faith in the honesty of NATO nations
one needs other perspectives
One needs the perspectives of the people not their governments.
I listen to the perspectives of such people all day long. Most Chinese people support their government, and hate foreign attempts at "intervention".
Truly a mystery, isn't it? Perhaps the dreaded "arturo" is in reality a Chinese Manchurian candidate, deep cover mole!
Or, perhaps he just uses Express VPN:
http://www.expressvpn.org/
I used to be a conspiracy theorist, until people started making up conspiracy theories about me.
Manchurian candidates are science fantasy at best
Manchurian candidates are just split personalities. Abusive parents induce split personalities in their children by abusing them. The abused child develops a second personality to protect him or herself from the abuse.
It should be no surprise that unscrupulous individuals or governments would intentionally induce split personalities for fun and profit.
doesn't work
split personalities are obvious
And how do you know this? I've read that people with multiple personalities often don't realize it themselves until they are in their 20s or 30s.
which is why it would become obvious to others
If you have the chance to look, let me know what you think.
One of America's foremost authorities on MPD or "dissociative disorder", D.C. Hammond, Ph.D., claims that he has treated numerous cases of induced multiple personalities or "Manchurian candidates". Some of his qualifications include:
His testimony:
http://www.galaksija.com/hammond.htm
never seen it
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Looks like the content is blocked at the source.
thank you. something is wrong with internet this days...
In this case, its not the internet that isn't working. It says that its being blocked in China because of copyright violation.
Well hell propaganda scum - just what the hell are you good for use some of your clout with the chairman and get things moving - chop chop. We all know that the Chinese do not care about intellectual property rights - so that can't be the problem.
I am completely detached from reality eh? Did you even consider doing the slightest amount of research before making such a thoughtless reply?
Consider this:
Shuangliu - population, 920,000. Home to the fifth busiest airport in China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuangliu_County
Jingzhou - population, 5,691,707.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingzhou
Heyuan - population, 207,600. Heyuan city is the major producer of Chinese kiwi fruit dried mushrooms of Jiulian, garlic, Hakka brewed liquor, Xinfengjiang pure water and mineral water, bamboo mats, sweet tangerines, green tea, and pot culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heyuan
Shouguang - population, around one million. Shouguang is flourishing and boasts a modern downtown area and a new six lane highway leading from the Jiqing Expressway (Jinan to Qingdao) into the heart of the city. The local government is currently focused on developing the city's service, industry and technology sectors as well as maintaining Shouguang's reputation as China's "Home of Vegetables" (蔬菜之乡 pinyin: shucai zhixiang).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouguang
Ordos - population, 1,940,653. Ordos is one of the richest regions of China. With a nominal per-capita GDP of US$14,500 in 2008, it is ranked ahead of the capital city of China, Beijing. It is extremely rich in natural resources, having one sixth of the coal reserve in China. The pillars of its economy are textile (wool), coal mining, petrochemicals, electricity generation and production of building materials.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordos
give it up propaganda boy.
Is that your main complaint about China, that they are building large cities that nobody can live in? Can you provide a list of all such cities?
Others have quite a different opinion on this topic, perhaps they too need to be "slapped" into submission:
China Economist Says Chinese Stimulus Packages Helps Create New Cities
In an interview with China Daily on June 8, Lu Zhongyuan, the vice-president of the Development Research Center of the State Council and a leading economist, underlined the fact that China is now moving to a period of growth propelled by internal demand, including the development of new cities in the central and western parts of the country. Lu noted that China did not choose to become a low-income export country, but was forced into that situation by the multinational companies. "The international division of labor is led by multinational companies in developed countries. Only if its pattern changes can we solve the problem of China exporting a lot," Lu said.
Lu also stressed the fact that the pace of urbanization, which will help to boost domestic consumption, is continuing at a rapid pace, but now is being spread to areas outside the traditional coastal "hothouses." Many of the migrant workers, who will not have jobs anymore in the traditional coastal low-wage export industries, will find work in the growing cities closer to their homes, Lu said. Much of the Chinese stimulus package has gone to transportation, particularly to the building of railroads, which will bring these new urban areas into the mainstream of the Chinese economy.
This new urbanization was also noted in an article in a Financial Times article on January 19 by James Kynge, FT's former Beijing bureau chief, who has just been appointed to a new FT China Confidential newsletter. The article notes that in the first 10 months of 2009, "lower-tier cities" accounted for a sharply growing portion of total investment. FT profiled eight cities which were becoming major hubs in this transition.
Shuangliu, a city near Chengdu in southwest China, has become a leader in the commercialization of agriculture. Jingzhou on the Yangtze river is an emerging transport hub. Heyuan, far upstream on the Pearl river in Guangdong province, is benefiting from some of the wealth accumulated from the coastal region. Shouguang in Shandong province is a center for high-grade vegetable production. In Inner Mongolia, China is building an entirely new city, Ordos, which is located near a village that provided workers for a small coal mine in the area. This shift is totally in line with what Lyndon LaRouche has been telling Chinese contacts for years: With the growing population of China, China must simply build new cities.
Wow are you totally detached from reality (?) or what? Those cities are not inhabited - the citizens who built them - probably the highest paid workers besides those building the hydroelectric dams - can not afford to live in those cities. The chairman must love you long time - sellout.
I keep showing you otherwise, but you cannot accept it, because by definition, only you know the truth. Everybody who disagrees with you is of course a "bastard" whom you must "slap" down into submission. Free speech, of course, cannot be permitted to one such as me. I have to "shut the fuck up" or get out.
You are beginning to show all the signs of a dictator, defining someone who disagrees with you as evil, denying them the right to express an opinion which contradicts yours, and feeling the necessity to beat them into submission.
Considering how you hate people who disagree with you, you most certainly would hate the Chinese people, all one billion and a half of them, since they are the ones with whom I have daily contact and who have provided me with my opinions about China.
You want to help china, start thinking about what I've said to you. Some things I have pointed out time and again but will point out to you now.
Globalization will eventually lead to a leveling of wages on a global scale. The sooner it happens, the sooner the birthing pains will subside.
If you don't set a high bar, the average will be low so you need a bar that works for the people and by upping the wages in the US, you set the high end of the average.
Implementing your preferred policies must also reach a global scale and that takes much longer than leaning on politicians around the world until they raise wages. All developed nations go thrue this process we just need to push to speed it up.
Globalization is unavoidable even if we tried. We need to asses why it causes economic pain and deal with what we can as soon as we can. We need to talk with people who fear globalization and explain to them why it hurts and what needs to be done so they understand that outsourcing can lead to economic prosperity in other countries, leaving them able to purchase goods made in the US. That outsourcing will slow as the wage gap closes and it stops making overnight millionaires to hire kids in dungeon factories. If you make it complicated or fail to see what results can be had now such as wages, if you are less than ultra clear about an issue so damn big, you will get nothing done and the inevitable will continue coming at a snail's pace.
Yeah yeah yeah - and you write such glowing things about China and it's Gubment - but you fail to address reality - they are building mega cities that none of the population can afford to live in - not even those employed to build them. They sit empty out of reach but for the most affluent and there are not many of those now are there. The resources and revenue going into the building of those mega ghost cities could do a lot to improve the lives of the common Chinese individual.
So try again to deny your propaganda.
Nice try propaganda arty. But it doesn't wash.
China to Boost the Global Economy? Nope it’s also a Total Ponzi
http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2012/08/07/china-to-boost-the-global-economy-nope-its-also-a-total-ponzi/
Sorry fail - I only slap bastards like you who are sellouts to humanity. Show me otherwise or Shut the fuck-up Sellout.
I don't see you as campaigning for the US or the people of the world. Your hate-China rants are in favor of global finance, the ones who seek to benefit from a conflict between China and the US, the old divide and conquer strategy.
I'm sure you would like to see me booted from this forum, because you worship yourself, and see anybody who challenges your beliefs as the ultimate evil.
Nice try propaganda arty. But it doesn't wash.
Nice try propaganda arty. But it doesn't wash.
Roots Manuva & Left Field-Dusted (Hi-Def) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnIMjNWyxLM&feature=player_embedded
Interesting - thanks for the link - Wish it had the had the lyrics attached.
Roots Manuva & Left Field-Dusted (Hi-Def) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnIMjNWyxLM&feature=player_embedded
Have you ever spoken to a Chinese person from China? You say you are for the Chinese people but against their government, but most Chinese people are for their government.
To give you an example, I have one student, high school age from a farming village in the province of Hubei. His grandparents were dirt poor "farmers", people whom we would historically refer to as peasants.
His father is some kind of skilled tradesman, repairs industrial furnaces. He makes enough money to send his kid to English lessons seven days a week for two hours a day at $50 US an hour, for about a month this summer.
The Chinese government has brought about 100 million people out of the deepest poverty, in this way, over the last thirty years, according to the world bank.
Its because of this kind of progress that most Chinese people like their government. And its because of my experience with these kinds of people that I have the opinions which I have, not because of what the Chinese government says.
However, what the Chinese people and the Chinese government say, are pretty much the same thing. The people complain about some minor things, but mostly they are happy with their government.
Yea, China never murders civilians.... <rolls eyes>
http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm
Not in your case - you are so obvious.
-My point exactly, you are as well.
Show me how I have been propagandizing for a government.
If you accuse me of campaigning for the people of the USA and of the world I will have to gladly and proudly say yes.
But go ahead and show me where I have been putting out pro-gubment BS.
OH - BTW - If I could? You would be booted off of this forum so fast it would make a sonic-boom.
I suppose it takes one to know one.
Not in your case - you are so obvious.
So harsh! You must really buy into the mainstream media propaganda.
Nope I just recognize a sellout when I see one - in this instance - you.
give it up propaganda boy.
And you consistently post your hate China rants.
The US has been colonized by big corporations and their owners. They want to colonize the rest of the world, and you're working for them. OWS is supposed to be like the original American revolution - anti-imperialist.
Here is some of that valued information you were asking for:
It is widely accepted around the world that most of the “Syrian rebels” are not Syrians at all. They are a contingent of Sunni terrorists, some of whom belong to the Muslim Brotherhood, while others come from a mish-mash of terrorist groups, spawned and nurtured since 1979, when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan.
These terrorists, who have been bunched loosely under the banner of al-Qaeda, are funded by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar, and a few other nations, and are being used by Britain and the United States. The groups’ primary objective is to establish a Wahhabi extremist variety of Sunni Islamic rule, even an Islamic Caliphate, throughout the Islamic world, from northern Africa to Russia’s northern Caucasus.
I have no doubt that these insurgents are from the area and are being used by some or all of those governments as you state. But this does not change the fact that Assad has been Butchering his own people - he has not been fighting these insurgents until recently and yes those insurgents have their own agenda which they are pursuing - as should have been expected by whoever is supporting their actions in Syria. All the more reason to see Assad get booted as soon as possible so that the other violence being added-in on top of his can be ended as well.
Apparently, the joint Chiefs of Staff, among others, oppose this war because they believe it would trigger a much wider war:
"It is only due to the resistance by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, backed up by the ranks of retired high-level military officers, diplomats, and intelligence officials, that keeps the Obama Administration from launching that world war—starting with an outlaw attack on Syria or Iran, without the approval of the UN Security Council or of the U.S. Congress. This is a danger that will not go away—regardless of concessions by the governments of Syria and Iran—unless it is unequivocally defeated by removing Obama from office, and cancelling all efforts to replace the UN Charter with atrocities like the R2P sham."
Now I see why. You have a little Che thing going on. You don't really give a damn about the US, your deal is the corporate influence in other countries and you feel Occupy is a ticket for that. I can dig it because it's a common cause approach. I hate it because you use words like Imperialism against the US while defending china, ironic.
America is who feeds the majority of staving people around the globe and brought technology that has improve the living standards of the world. You can hate the 1%, I do. But don't blanket blame an entire country, that's no better than good ol bigotry.
Now I also understand why you could give a rats ass about wages.
I do give a damn about the US, I don't like to see it colonized by global corporations.
You appear to be a very confused person, putting words in my mouth that I have no intention of saying. For example about wages. Of course I care about wages, I just think that increasing productivity is the best way to raise them.
The US is now at record productivity per individual. This is not disputable. This contradicts your point.
I tend to take interest in persons that make false statement yet hold enough intellect to know they are wrong, yet continue to push what they know to be a false point or narrative. The reason I take interest is to discover the motives behind pushing bullshit to make a point.
The motives help me understand all the angles that make up or tag along with Occupy. I need this info when speaking to dissenters of Occupy at work, at the store, everywhere.
You may like the US but never the less, you have a Che-like perception of the issues, whether you see it or not. This type of politics reaches all the way back to the cane fields of south America. True enough, the things that motivated Che still exist today throughout the world. But also like Che, I think you hold even the American people to task for this just as Che did, whether you admit it or not.
You are placing the cart before the horse. Economic development is strategic management of economic growth to maximize profits and effective use of profits. You must begin with the growth. You continue to insist on developing a no-growth situation and that is somehow going to create growth, like a new store manager will reverse the lack of demand for your product. It's nonsense. You mam, are the one who is confused.
Let me clarify a few issues, where I believe you have gone astray.
You say, for example, that US productivity is at a record high per individual, but I suppose that would depend on how you define productivity. For me, productivity is the capacity to produce more than one consumes, but sadly the US is not producing much of anything these days.
For productivity to really be at an all time high, we would have to go back to producing what we consume once again, which is the approach that I propose, rather than a revolution, which the hypothetical "Che" persona which you project on me might prefer.
You see, I'm not a revolutionary at all, or at least not in the Che sense, but perhaps in the sense of the original American revolution, you could consider me a revolutionary. As I've said, I believe our country has been "colonized" by globalist corporations, and that we do need to "revolt" in a way against that form of imperialism.
But since the war that has been waged against us has not been physically violent, we don't have to concern ourselves with responding in that way, but rather, it has been an "information war" in which information has been used against us to make us believe that black is white and white is black, in a manner of speaking.
So we need to wage an information war as well, and that is what I try to do with the things that I say, which I believe you are unfortunately misinterpreting.
I think you are mistaken to say that the purpose of economic development is to maximize profit, for what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?
I believe that the purpose of development is more intrinsic, its done for its own sake. That is, cities are nicer when they have electricity, running water and public transportation, and that people are nicer when they are well educated and healthy.
If you are equating "growth" with "profit" I think you are quite off the mark. Many people have made handsome profits from their investments in Wall Street, but is our country growing? I don't think so.
Very eloquent use of line blurring and ideological rhetoric to escape fact based debating on the issue.
You don't have the slightest interest in an honest conversation.
I have no interest in trying to debate issues that have hard facts with someone who then blurs the line and wastes my time to continually try bringing them back down to the facts of the issues only to have them reply with blurring the line again and again. You are the one not interested in honest debate.
Well of course you couldn't possibly be mistaken about anything, right? Everything you know is hard facts and absolute truths. So if anyone disagrees with you, then something must be wrong with them. By definition, anyone who disagrees with you must a deceiver.
So we have graduated to credibility. Well then lets just rush to the finish line so you don't have to keep switching up tired tactic. I'm wrong, you're right. I wish you well in your endeavors.
Well of course I have to resort to tired tactics, only you can discuss things honestly.
and as we all heard Ghadaffy bombs their own people.
that doesn't give us the right to bomb Libya
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i dont know. i want to see what he say about Syria. give us proper link to the video =)
BULLSHIT !!!!
you really should expand your sources of knowledge beyond the MSM lies and propaganda
As I commented to arturo:
I have no doubt that these insurgents are from the area and are being used by some or all of those governments as you state. But this does not change the fact that Assad has been Butchering his own people - he has not been fighting these insurgents until recently and yes those insurgents have their own agenda which they are pursuing - as should have been expected by whoever is supporting their actions in Syria. All the more reason to see Assad get booted as soon as possible so that the other violence being added-in on top of his can be ended as well.
so the insurgents as not against Assad butchery?
I believe that whoever sent them sent them for the purpose of confronting Assad's Troops and I believe that they have been doing some of that - But I also believe that they have their own agenda that they are following.
stopping butchery can be an agenda
I believe that it is a worthy cause - I do not believe however that many if any governments see it that way.
It is part of my agenda in pushing for clean green Power and Fuel technology implementation. End the strife over fossil fuel resources. Make the world energy independent. Export peace ( green technology ) do not import reasons for conflict ( fossil fuel ).
farmers want peace. they believe in Allah. they have seen American movies, and now they deluded and frustrated. in one hand they want to have democracy, in other hand they want to hold sovereignty. when the rebel comes they scream: Hoy Hoy Hoy kill Assad!!! When security forces comes they scream: Kill Dem Rebels! - Why? like i said, they want peace, they dont need no trouble.
I believe that whoever sent them sent them for the purpose of confronting Assad's Troops and I believe that they have been doing some of that - But I also believe that they have their own agenda that they are following.
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It wouldn't be the first time that a fiction was employed to induce a regime change.
Have you had a nice sleep? Wakey, wakey!
A country must find it's own path if it is to truly be sovereign. We spent 50 years with our hand in everyone's biz and all it did was force us to war in order to retain control or Anti-Americanism run rampant and leading to attacks on the US and US alies. Let them sort it out, let them be free.