Forum Post: Another racial crime... The next George Zimmermann?
Posted 1 year ago on April 17, 2012, 3:14 p.m. EST by JusticeForTrayvon
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Two white teenagers in Kansas City, Missouri poured gasoline on a black child and set him on fire, telling him "You get what you deserve, n------"
No arrests have been made in the case.
Your thread was so suspicious -
I looked for & found the origin - Sounds like you are exactly correct - but backwards white & black
victim was white & perp was 2 blacks
but I could not source "n............"
but , with the attackers not there, an arrest may not be possible without an investigation. Zimmerman took 6+ weeks. Lets hope there are arrests more quickly.
'You get what you deserve, white boy': Boy, 13, doused in gasoline and set alight in racially-motivated attack By Paul Thompson Police are investigating a possible race hate attack after a 13-year-old boy was doused in gasoline and set on fire.
The teenager, who suffered first degree burns to his face and hands, is white and his two attackers black.
His mother Melissa Coon said the attackers told her son 'This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy'. Parent's nightmare: Melissa Coon says her son's attackers told him that he was getting 'what he deserved' as they doused him in gasoline
Parent's nightmare: Melissa Coon says her son's attackers told him that he was getting 'what he deserved' as they doused him in gasoline
Police in Kansas City, Missouri said they are investigating the alleged assault as a possible hate crime.
Investigators said the assault took place as the teen walked home from East High School. He noticed two older boys following him and as he arrived at his home the pair threw gas on him. 'They rushed him on the porch as he tried to get the door open,' Mrs Coon told KMBC-TV. Crime: The pair threw gas on the boy from the container seen here, and ran as the 13-year-old struggled to put out the flames
Crime: The pair threw gas on the boy from the container seen here, and ran as the 13-year-old struggled to put out the flames
'[One of them] poured the gasoline, then flicked the Bic, and said, 'This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy'.
Mrs Coon said her son was able to beat the flames out with his hands and shirt and was able to call 911 and his father.
Police said the boy had been engulfed in a 'large fireball'.
He has lost his eye lashes, eyebrows and some skin on his face. Stalkers: The boy said that the teens followed him home from East High School, may be students there Kansas City Police Department Detective Stacey Taylor said detectives were concerned about damage to the boy's eyes and lungs. He said this was a particularly heinous crime. 'It was pretty bad stuff,' he said. The teen is now recovering at home after his ordeal but his mother said he has already had a traumatic effect on her family. 'My five year old came in and asked me, 'Mom, am I going to get set on fire today?'' she said. 'I was in tears.'
Didn't the OP turn it around? Your info says a white boy was the victim, the perpetrators black. The OP says the opposite.
Perhaps that was the whole point. The fact that people will go to great lengths to figure out something that does not matter one iota. It does not matter which race anyone was in the altercation, the fact that people are trying to find out proves people's internal bias.
I see your motivation. Thank you for clarifying. You guys do realize though, that you're being unwitting tools for keeping this racial shit stirred up, don't you. Not to diminish the respective tragedies, mind you. Everyone has biases, JT, regardless of how high-and-mighty some people think they are.
Yeah. Stereotypes are so pervasive in human nature, I think the people peddling racial warfare in this country realize that the races will never completely harmonize. Yet there are still people who make their living telling others to hate and demonize others based on race. Sad but true.
You know, I think we'll eventually harmonize, but what it will take is a universal realization of something we all already know inside, but we're too 'programmed' to see it. The realization that we ARE the same race. It's a genetic, biological, scientific fact. The illusion that skin color makes one a different 'race' was promulgated by the elite to keep the 'unclean masses' fighting amongst themselves. And it's worked beautifully.
It's Santa Claus. It's the Easter bunny. It's a phantom. It doesn't exist. It needs to go away.
Thank you for not taking offense.
Absolutely. I'm not saying I don't have any, people are more than welcome to try and expose my internal biases. I'm sure I have just as many as anyone else. Let's get everyone's out in the open, realizing pretty much everyone is a hypocrite is the first step to collective healing.
If you get the chance, read my post about "race wars, false flags, and just one of the guys." Check the links. This kind of explains why I think the race issue should be downplayed right now. If you have any questions, let me know. I didn't make my point clear in that post, I wanted people to read the links and form their own opinion. Personally, I think there's more going on than what's on the surface.
There pretty much always is more than on the surface. The farm labor bill they just shot down was written by big agriculture firms because they aren't family run and wanted to keep smaller firms down.
Yeah, it takes a fair amount of digging to get to the truth in most cases. Big business and the PTB want nothing less than to keep us in the dark, as evidenced by the recent assault on the Internet. It has become an invaluable asset in the dissemination of information.
So do you think the issue should be downplayed right now, considering the possibility that the Obama gang is using it to get him reelected? I know that's a touchy subject for someone with the username "JusticeForTrayvon."
The Zimmerman issue or the farm labor issue? Obama, like a good politician, is using every means he can to get elected. I'm not really a strategist, I have no "side", so I could honestly give a rip who gets elected. I want fairness and justice.
Zimmerman and the alleged 'simmering race war.' Although it is political business-as-usual, I think it's reprehensible to use the Trayvon tragedy to further a political agenda, violence be damned. To me, that's about as racist as you can get.
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Oh, this must be the new "on message" troll thing for today - promote raicial divisions. Man are you guys transparent!
That's right, we're the only ones promoting racial divisions. No one on the national scene is doing anything remotely like promoting racial divisions, so get that idea right out of your head lol
Naw, that's a plain simple case of racism and hate crimes. The laws on the books will see those kids fry. To be like the Zimmerman case it has to be only a black person dressed in stylish thug gear who's really an upper class black in disguise with no connections to gangs or organized criminal groups. Its about America's class system where lower class blacks get treated as well, blacks, and the rest of the races try to treat upper class blacks so well they begin to think racism is actually a thing of the past. Prosperous blacks now have to deck themselves out like they are dressed for a drive-by in order to be treated in poor manner they can mislabel as "racism" rather than the "classism" it actually represents. Upper class whites can't be tricked into trying to fool the general public into thinking they are gang members or crack dealers so they don't care low class white people are shot and stuck in jail and left there with only a public defender standing between them and 25 years. Blacks as a people are simply saying even thugs deserve to be treated better. Then again they are allowed to stand up for each other, if whites try to stand up for each other its a dire conspiracy. You can't have an all white college, but you can have an all black, historically black college. A double standard is a double standard. No one really wants equality, they want an advantage. Now when was the last time some white girl brutally raped by a black gang ended up on the front page of the news? You don't think that crap happens? Just saying, the media is selective about which truths they tell when they bother to utter a truth at all.
Yeah, right, Whites are really the victims of unfair treatment and racism. The ruling class is kept down by double standards applied against them and them alone.
Hahahaha.
Whining, moron, racist dick.
I'm not considered white. I'm tri-racial. I'm white, Native American (at least three tribes), and black. (Plus middle eastern) I was not fully embraced by the white community. I was beaten up by black kids until they realized why it was being allowed in the first place. And all the Native Americans I know about are on a reservation some where else so its hard for me to comment on their cultural reaction to me. The Indian on the reservation I met was nice and told me he could tell I was part Indian still. He was less accepting of my grandma and said she might be Buffalo Cherokee instead. I made him look at grandma's feet and verify that she also had Indian blood. I liked a boy but his daddy said I wasn't white enough to date his son. Now when I say if you don't want historically white schools to remain that way, give up the all black colleges and prove you want equality, have an intelligent answer. Black people consider me one of the least racist people they have ever met. They don't mind the topic and we discuss the actual current situation of college admissions and things like the fact when a quota is set, it truly becomes a maximum number found. There are plenty of valid arguments you can make in favor of historically black colleges. You only decided to name call. Black people consider what I am as "colored" and passing. I maintain that they need not accept me or claim me due to the one drop rule, I am so many things its become its own thang! I refuse to let them call me a wigger (They argue I am the only really white nigger they have ever met! I tell them they've probably met more, I happen to be related to a lot of people.) as I perceive that to be people who are actually white who reject their culture in favor of African American culture, I don't mind Zebra too much though. I am a mixture of so many things, which race do you recommend I spend my time cow-towing to? I won't cow-tow to blacks or whites, but I will talk about what I see. Any color person may sit with me, break bread with me, and get honest with me. I won't shy away from topics and I will speak my mind. I've had the pleasure of a lot of good deep conversations with all kinds of people. Its a simple enough joy to allow yourself.
You should write a memior.
People wouldn't like it much. They like their causes. Little things like my life experiences or the stories that got passed down to me might conflict with what an author said. People think racism is bad, and classism is the just the way of the world. Everybody loves a stereotype, it lets people rush to judgement just a little bit faster and with a lot less effort. Its not accurate, its not fullproof, but the world works on perceptions not necessarily facts. I sat back and watched a lot people, listened to a lot of people. I lived a little. Once a black man asked me how I felt about being what I am, and I said lonely. My grandmother told my great aunt that even though I have black dutch on both sides, she was not gonna tell me what she never told her own children. I heard it, her children to this day do not know even this much. Black people couldn't understand why I felt like I couldn't tell anyone I wasn't all white. That secret was not one I owned, it was my grandparents' story and they were taking that to their graves. You can't go around and harm your family's standing, your little sisters' chances of finding a husband. There is just some stuff you can't talk about. I know racism exists. The church wanted so much in back dues from my dad before they would baptize me, my grandmother just thought the preacher was being racist and that they had paid that fancy church off long ago to accept their children. I overheard and so regardless of the fact grandpa had paid that preacher off, I wouldn't allow the man to baptize me. I had my great aunt do it for me in a bathtub. She did it right. I got gifts, after she was done with me I could speak in tongues and lay on hands. Now that never would have happened I don't think if I let that baptist preacher baptize me. It hurt pretty bad to be ashamed to tell the kids at school I had my baptism in a bathtub. When it came out, the kids never picked on my choice not to be baptized in that church. Even the black kids that had picked on me for years seemed to let me alone more. Racism is real, but it flows in all directions, all the time.
You do have the word count to put out one.
I don't know. Over two hundred pages maybe.
Oh, was your suggestion serious. I was being my usual sarcastic, cynical self.
Yes, very serious, your story is fascinating, and you're a good writer.
Now I'm really confused. Are you mixing up the JadedCitizen with the JadedGem?
Oh boy, I mean't that for JadedGem. Sorry about that.
Well, it's okay. JadedGem does have a way with the prose that I am very jealous of, her words have a natural rhythm and flow effortlessly. Without a drop of sarcasm, I honestly think she would make a great writer if she chose to do so.
Sorry again, I didn't notice when you entered the conversation. You are a very good writer yourself.
Flatterer.
On the contrary, I try to confine myself here to the truth.
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Wow, now I'm even more convinced you should write a memior:)
Read a book or two about the difference between what the ruling class is and what minorities are and how power relations and institutions create de facto racism even in the absence of personal bigotry. Your anecdotal stories are not the issue. Power relations in an entire society are. Blacks have their own colleges as protection, not because they have any pretensions of exclusivity. And with Affirmative Action under attack from the courts, the main method of at least partially restoring some balance in education, Black colleges are more necessary than ever. It's not about gaining unfair advantage, but minimizing, at least a little, that unfair advantage the ruling class continues to have.
Blacks are NOT saying "thugs" deserve to be treated better. If Trayvon was white and wearing a hooded sweatshirt, do you really think it as likely he would have been stalked and hunted down like a dog? And those labelled "thugs" by whites tend to be overwhelming black, whether they are or not. That's the whole point. their is even a name for it: "racial profiling".
The media has been playing the race card for a very long time, mostly the right-wing media shilling for republitard politicians. When a Gingrich gets raucous applause, broadcast around the country, for calling Obama the "food stamp president" it is a dog whistle for calling blacks lazy and their laziness facilitated by a black president. It is not even subtle. (That, despite the fact that most people on food stamps are white, and the need for those food stamps was created by overwhelming while rich bankers) the ruling class.) The "Southern Strategy," an expressly racist national campaign strategy used by the right since Nixon, is very much still in play, and the media eats it up with a spoon.
You don't understand why a black on white gang rape isn't broadcast on the news often enough? Are you kidding me? I want to know why racist messages by politicians are broadcast routinely and without challenge throughout every campaign I have have ever witnessed in my life. I am astounded that the housing bubble and sub-prime fraud is talked about freely by TV, radio, and newspaper pundits (falsely) in terms of laws that were created to help minority neighborhoods get equal access to credit, and for the media to not ever question the overtly racist premise underlying those false accusations
Racism is alive and well in this country, and the only real double standard that I see is the one that gives a pass to the Gingrich's and Beck's of this world and defends laws like "Stand Your Ground" - laws that only got passed due to right wing corporatist racist fear mongering - while trying to blame Trayvon for his own death because of the clothing he wore.
THAT is what I call selective media. THAT is what I call a double standard.
The media has made it about it about cloths and racial profiling. Um hate to break it to you but white people do get shot, they get run over by cars, they get ridiculous trials. When you see blacks in the media that have killed white people, its always a "robbery gone wrong" never a "hate crime". But it is true their photos are stuck up all the time regardless of the commentary. Its so true that I have had tell to people fresh from India all the time that African Americans are not inherently dangerous. I worked selling jewelry back when I got out of high school and my boss would try stop me from serving African American males in an effort to protect me. Poor whites don't get their picture put up unless they are caught with kiddy porn or something equally heinous. You have to go the court and listen to the cases to even know how many of them there are that are stuck with the public defender. Can you say useless? The jails are full of poor whites as well as blacks, many innocent, many locked up to make an example out of them even though evidence was in short supply and they just happened to be handy. The number one enemy is not one color or another color, it is poverty itself in many cases. The power structure doesn't care that Obama is black only that he has money therefore he is not best serving society by generating dollars in a private prison. There is less racism and a lot more classism with poor whites, poor blacks, poor Latinos being designated as being of more value incarcerated in private prisons. Now I do see racism, it exists in people of all races towards people of different races. There are no limits to which direction it flows. And when you talk of power structures remember they are built on money who has it, who they don't want to have it, what they can do to keep it. Recognize that classism exists and it even affects poor whites. Classism is very ingrained in the white community. They don't need instructions for picking out those for harassment. When a poor white person is stopped and searched and followed and harassed it doesn't get called racial profiling. It happens though. And if happens to you there is no one to complain too. It can be done and is done to death and there is no NAACP for that.
It never IS a hate crime when it is a robbery gone wrong. There is a difference between stalking and shooting down someone because he looks out of place in a white community and shooting someone as part of a robbery. One is a tragic stupid crime and the other is a tragic stupid racist crime. And only ONE of those types of crimes are protected by THE LAW!!!!
As to the rest of your post, I didn't bother to read it, as the first three sentences of your drivel were enough to tell me it is not worth it.
What you don't understand is that classism is almost always racist as well, since one race (guess which one) is poorer than the other. And that the LAWS allow one class -and race - to kill the other with impunity.
Your crying about there being no NAACP for whites is pure bullshit. WHO is profiled racially? Whites or blacks? The FRACTION of harassment whites receive compared to blacks is so small there is no statistic for it. The organization promoting White Rights exists. It is called the KKK. You would feel right at home there.
Yes, classism is supporting racism and the two are joined at the hip. People who don't think they are racists feel perfectly justified in committing racist acts as long as they commit the same acts against people of their own race based on perceived social class. Also classism itself is found minority groups and used within those groups as well. And the heart of the issue is no long just your color or race, or big ole whitey keeping down the black man, but the size of your bank account and how much it looks like you had to spend at the salon and retaining a lawyer. But you'll keep seeing what looks like racism and others will keep seeing what looks like classism. Everyone wants some kind of rating system or pecking order. Its used within minority groups, its global.
How did you see the part about the NAACP if you didn't read past the first three sentences?
It amuses me that you got so angry about this, generally anger is the product of shame.
In fact the shame should be yours for defending overtly racist beliefs.
You are either an outright bigot, or someone who has his head in the sand (or somewhere else where the sun don't shine.)
At any rate, go fuck yourself, or your sister, whatever is more common in your trailer park.
This is also what I am speaking of. Sure, I was being a jerk. Attack me all you want to. Offend me. But making references to trailer parks is nothing any less offensive to other people than what the other guy you attacked did. It's like making ghetto references, or any other reference to regional, racial, or other group stereotypes. It's just plain offensive and wrong. And I will continue to be a jerk until this point is driven home.
It comes nowhere near matching the obscenity that is racism.
In light of your most recent posts to me, I see that I was wrong about your being a racist, but you are being purposefully bizarre if you think that attacking racism with the most venom I can muster is anything other than appropriate. How dare you lecture me about the need to be polite to what is by any measure, evil. The only appropriate response to its filth is aggressive resistance.
Okay.
While we're on the subject of racism, I think certain races need "assistance" in getting into universities (If you know what I mean, in the quota department, wink wink) because if we judge candidates based on their grades it will disproportionately affect certain groups.
There. That's one of the most racist things I've ever said, you are welcome to attack it.
Minorities, especially African Americans are, on the whole, subject to far worse educations than whites on the secondary level. Decades of redlining and a few hundred years of other mechanisms of racism and bigotry have left entire communities segregated, and poor. Because public education funding is based largely on local property taxes, it consistently shortchanges Black and other minority communities, who also tend to be the poorest communities.
If colleges simply looked at test scores or grades, it would simply extend that un-level playing field. In the interest of a modicum of fairness, compensatory criteria must be applied. The name of that compensatory evaluation is called Affirmative Action.
The advantages of Whites in this culture are unseen by Whites: they are simply the everyday reality, as natural to them as breathing air. And when one fraction of that advantage is withheld, they complain as if they had been disadvantaged as much as or more than Blacks who live with disadvantage and uneven distribution of resources every day of their lives. It is piggish to the extreme. And the current push for Charter schools and Private school vouchers, along with making affirmative action illegal in university admissions procedures, are an extension of that piggishness in public policy today.
"Savage Inequalities: Children in America's Schools" by Jonathan Kozol is the best general readership book on the subject. It follows the money, and it exposes the 1% and MSM distortions of the very conversation about the issue.
Having been both a public school teacher in the city and a private school one in the suburbs, I can attest to its accuracy. The American public education system is racist to its core, but it is merely a function of the legacy of racism, both individual and institutional, that has operated in this entire country, pervaded its entire economy, shaped all its neighborhoods, allocated resources, since the nation's inception.
So I agree that certain races need assistance getting into universities, and that it is completely appropriate for those groups to additionally have a couple of colleges set aside only for them. Unlike JadedJem's disgusting complaint of non-existent reverse racism, affirmative action (no longer even in existence) and a handful of dedicated colleges hardly makes a dent in the effects on minorities, particularly Blacks, of the institutional racism they are victims of every single day.
So, if economic inequality is the medium for enforcing racism today, wouldn't it be fairer to base admissions on the income background of the applicant instead of the race? Surely you admit it is unfair to let a black millionaire's children into a college because they are black, while refusing someone with a poor background merely because their skin is deemed too light, right?
You really don't understand how Affirmative action USED to work. I say used to, because the republicans have made it ILLEGAL! So its a wholly moot point, now, isn't it?
The point was, that all Whites, poor, middle class and wealthy ALL had an advantage over ALL blacks. If a RIch Balck kid was up against a RICH white kids, the white kid was automatically advantaged. If MOST black kids were up against middle class and POOR white kids, ALL the white kids STILL had an advantage. Affirmative action made a very small, PARTIAL adjustment for that, and even that is no longer allowed.
Okay... let's do a quick spreadsheet on a system that grades applicants on their economic background....
Rich black vs poor black: Poor wins
Rich black vs poor white: Poor wins
Rich white vs poor white: Poor wins
Rich white vs poor black: Poor wins
Half white, half black poor person vs three-quarters Hispanic, one quarter black rich person: Poor wins.
That's the thing about grading applicants on their economic background, it always benefits the poor. You can't fight systemic racism with individual benefits, or else you will end up giving some people advantages based on their race.
Also, JusticeForTrayvon had a good question below, is it okay for all-black colleges to deny admission to Hispanics?
NON-issue as there are not that many Black colleges. 1st get all colleges to be free tuition and the rest will sort itself out.
I'm not talking about all-black colleges, I'm talking about non-segregated colleges. Since there are a limited number of seats available, wouldn't it be prudent to base applicants on their economic background instead of the color of their skin?
"Reverse racism" does not exist. It is called racism. Racism is when you make judgments about someone based on the color of their skin. It does not matter who's skin is what color; every act in this description is racism.
And since the existence of Black colleges does not meet that criteria, the accusation that they are racist is scurrilous.
Racism is absolutely tied to power relations. Whoever is in charge determines its effects. A White's only university would be racist in a White dominated society. A Black's only college is not, since it is Blacks, not Whites, who are systematically disadvantaged in this country.
Yes, segregating college applicants and telling people they are unworthy to attend a particular college based only on the color of their skin is something we tried to get rid of during the '60s.
So, it would be completely okay if I were to start an all-white college in D.C., which is Federally controlled and majority black, since, as you said, most racist laws are passed at the state level?
Now would be a great time to question my intelligence or education level again, ignore me, or pass me off with a statement such as "You just want to argue", or "I'm not wasting my time with you".
Reply to your idiocy below:
What we tried to get rid of during the 60s was the disadvantages afforded to minorities based on their race or other minority status. The effects of racism are more important than individual bigotry. And the acknowledgement that race has an effect on opportunity in not racist, but in fact in opposition to it.
To claim, as you do, that because a city is majority Black makes Blacks in that city the ruling class within this society is nothing short of bizarre. It ignores the fact that decades of enforced segregation and discrimination have created a significantly impoverished city, and one that must deal with the economic, social and psychological legacy of racism on a daily basis.
To have a set-aside of educational opportunity in the context of the ongoing legacy of institutional racism is not racist. It is simply a practical acknowledgement that race still plays a deleterious role in opportunity. Indeed, the nature of this county is one vast set-aside for the ruling class. Once all conditions are equal, minorities will no longer have a need for separate institutions. Until that happens, it is racist to oppose them, at best exhibiting a willful ignorance of the ongoing advantage that Whites as a whole enjoy in educational opportunity.
D.C. is significantly impoverished?
Do you realize the median and average incomes in DC are significantly higher than the rest of the nation?
Take away the lobbyists and the majority Black population is dirt poor. Take away the parts of Virginia, Maryland, and West Virginia that number contains, and the results are quite different.
Ever been there? I certainly have, many times. The city itself is poor mostly poor, with pockets of wealth and very wealthy surrounding bedroom communities that are included in the figures about wealth, but do not pay taxes for municipal services.
I live near DC. Not sure if that statistic pertains to people who live in DC, or just work there. At any rate, I'm pretty sure most of the lobbyists live, like you said, in Maryland and Virginia. But anyway.
Suppose you are a college admissions officer at an all-black school. You get an application, and interview an applicant. Their skin looks a little odd, but you don't want to embarrass someone with a skin condition, so you don't say anything, and just put their application through.
You see them a few months later, and realize they are actually white and had put on make-up in a clever attempt to trick you into admitting them based on their essay answers and qualifications, instead of the most important factor.
What do you do now? Kick them out of the school?
What you intentionally FAIL to understand is the built-in disadvantage Blacks have in this country in terms of college admissions. (And jobs, too.) Instead you invent outlandish distorting scenarios that FAIL to address even a single real issue.
Your false cleverness does not hide the fact that you are not only clueless, but willfully so. You spend more energy defending your myths than for developing even a speck of curiosity and find out about any reality. You simply refuse to even try to put yourself in anyone else's shoes, but maintain instead your self entitlement to judge what you don't understand. That goes beyond ignorance, which is forgivable, into arrogant stupidity, which is reprehensible.
These are real issues. What if someone gets admitted to a university under false racial pretences? Any time we forcibly segregate people, there is a reason for the use of force, because otherwise they would violate the rules. So, it definitely stands to reason that white people might try to get into all-black schools. Are you just going to resort to personal attacks again? I'd appreciate a thoughtful answer.
You deserve no thoughtful answer to your thoughtless bullshit.
Your question is insane. You want an answer about a single HYPOTHETICAL case in the face of the reality that TENS OF MILLIONS of Blacks are discriminated against in this country every single day?
Seriously, here's the thoughtful answer you deserve: go fuck yourself, you ignorant racist scumbag.
Oop, there it is again, the personal attack. I thought for a minute we could discuss something, but then you revert to "You're not worth arguing with", coupled with a round of personal attacks. I've got a tip for you, on the internet it is generally better not to show anger, as far as people taking you seriously goes. Anger generally represents a point where someone is faced with a point they cannot argue with.
I've got another question though, while we're on the subject: Is it permissible for all-black universities to deny admission to hispanics? there is easily as much ongoing systemic racism against hispanics as there is against blacks. What do you think about it?
Wow. So racism is wrong but classism is not? Fascinating. I find it quite amusing that you will gladly resort to hate just as fast as the people you claim to be against. I think I could read and reread this all day and never stop laughing. What did J4T say that was overtly racist? You're welcome to provide a link if you wish, or you are free to merely make baseless and random accusations against people. I suggest upping your antidepressants lol
Edit: Did you mean to say "for" instead of "fro"?
Who said anything about classism being right? But that's a separate issue, now, isn't it?
Jadedjem was whining about not have an NAACP for Whites because, after all, Blacks in this country get all the breaks, and Whites are the real victims of racism. That Travon was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and the African American community is outraged by his being hunted down like a dog, is somehow a defense of thugs for Jadedjem? That the necessity of Black colleges is a condemnation of Blacks, not the racist society that made them necessary in the first place?
It is a PURELY racist stance he is taking, and classism has nothing to do with it, moron.
J4Y rushed to his defense. That is a defense of racism.
Is the any clearer to your right wing pea brain?
Any substantive arguments, or will you just point to another typo instead? I'm sure the fora on StormFront is typo free. Why don't you just stay there, where you would clearly be more at home.
This is so much darn fun, though. I take little breaks here and there, but it always draws me back in. So much troll food, so little time to eat it all.
I've never heard of stormfront, but it sounds like a good place to troll.
As hard as this may be for you to comprehend, I'm not from either "side" like you see the world. I don't see the world in groups, that is a construct of the powerful to get people to hate each other. "Look what the other group did to you!"
So, I am not of any political stripe in particular. If you really had to pigeonhole me, I'd be probably somewhere near the center, slightly liberal.
Mostly I just get a kick out of exposing hypocrisy, and when people who claim to be reasonable and tolerant go off and attack others like you did over a difference in opinion.
And of course, the icing on the cake, is when groupthink is employed, (It generally happens) And the people who try to calm the flames get charged with "defending the other side or even worse, being from the other side. You can tell when someone is from the other side, because they call you out when you start flame wars. It means they agree with whoever you are attacking, of course.
The "difference of opinion" was that of a racist. What was stated was precisely, word for word, the same complaints found on White Supremacy sites. Guess you're OK with that. Doesn't mean a thing. Just a different view, huh?
I guess lynchings are "just another activity" to you.
It's one thing to be ignorant, but to be willfully stupid is another.
Nope, lynchings are what is known as "violent crime". You may have heard of it. It's basically the same as someone disagreeing with you on an internet message board. Both are equal grounds to start calling names, so I'm sorry, you did the right thing.
Racism is grounds, not only for name calling, it is reprehensible enough to warrant being banned from this site, and most others for that matter.
I am at a loss as to why you don't understand this and insist upon defending racial hate speech.
epa1nter is so racist he won't acknowledge that anything bad ever happens to anyone who is white. The problem is people ask themselves, "Would I do this to what I consider a low-life white trash person?", and if the answer is yes, they don't consider their act racist in anyway, no matter how bad the act itself is. I'm not kidding about poor white people ending up in jail with a lousy public defender. You can't fix it if you won't see the problem. If you only care about one race and you refuse to see and acknowledge that the problem is bigger than that, how do you fix it? You can't. This problem is bigger than that. Poor people of all races are ending up in jails because it has been decided that they generate more revenue incarcerated. If you have to label the group that suffers in this legal system it must encompass the poor as an undivided collective group.
Your opinion of epa is unfounded and wrong. Is epa an aware person (?) - YES. Is epa speaking out against injustice and abuse (?) - YES
Is there a melting pot of people in the USA that are suffering many of the same things(?) - YES
All Races all religions all colors all backgrounds (?) - YES
All suffering the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So why pick on someone for speaking out?
Why not just say yeah your right and add that to your support for the end of injustice for ALL?
Enough with divisive BS people!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PEOPLE "We" are "ALL" in this "TOGETHER" whether or not you would like to admit it. Same pot of boiling water - same results.
LET US WORK TOGETHER.
Blacks wanted equal pay. What did the .001% do? They drug around for years and years gradually giving women and minorities raises that didn't meet the increased cost of living, they didn't give white men raises at all, and reported on the news how everyone was catching up and we were working towards equality. They could have paid people more equally starting the next week, it didn't have to be a "process". They didn't mention that they now intended to rip everyone off equally bad. Is the issue that Zimmerman had lighter skin or that he lived in a gated community and Trayvon didn't? And he called me racist first. Instead of paying all people better and treating all people right the bar has been lowered across the board on everyone. But as long as everyone suffers, suffering is okay is what it sounds like. That is just how it looks to me. We all suffer when the bar is lowered for any reason on how a person should be treated simply because they are a human being. The bar in this country is being lowered across the board. We are all in this together whether we like each other or not, whether we like the situation or not, whether we acknowledge the situation or not.
So what exactly is your point?
If we are fighting/confronting greed and corruption on an all encompassing front - is that not getting the job done for ALL(?)
Everyone who is not part of the greedy and corrupt manipulations (everyone) is getting screwed and have been since the dawn of time.
And it is about time that "EVERYONE" worked together to stop this shit from continuing.
Case in point, my autistic daughter hates comedy. She says its mostly just people being mean and laughing about it. She is right. Racism, that's bad now so we'll pick on fat people, how about gay people, its okay to pick on ugly people. Poor people now they are such a drain, wish they'd just crawl off and die. People are asking themselves who its okay to treat bad. Fewer people are asking themselves how well all human beings deserve to be treated. Of the ones that ponder that question, how many hold themselves to very high standards do you think? There is a lot of goodness in the world but there is a lot of plain old meanness.
Social awareness has been under attack as have all tenets of society. All we can do is make note and compliane through proper channels and have educational meetings and discussions. Nothing will change without proper involvement.
Yes! People have got to understand its about everyone deserving to treated with respect and dignity. Its not okay treat anyone like they are less human than someone else. When you do this, you cheapen the value of a human life for everyone. Its not okay to lower the value of a human life for any reason. Its not about how bad you can treat everyone, but about how well everyone should be treated. Until I see human beings stop looking around for someone they feel they have the right hen peck or abuse for one reason or another, I'm not sure they can come together long enough to save their own sorry behinds. But if they will try to come together I'll sure as hell cheer them on.
Well OK then.
God bless you, maam.
The first person to call names in a discussion is generally the first one to realize they are wrong.
Okay, getting back to the OP, what specific statement in this post warranted a personal attack?
And you never said what good stuff I posted.
I was not responding to the OP !!!! I was responding to a post.
The original post you were referring to. I realize you weren't referring to the original topic.
this post
http://occupywallst.org/forum/another-racial-crime-the-next-george-zimmermann/#comment-708158
Which statement? And what good stuff have I posted?
Really fishing for compliments after being such a pain in the ass with me? If I see new ones, I'll let you know. How's that?
Thumbs up.
In your ad hominem attack against someone with a different point of view, did you by chance mean to type "Whining" instead of "Wining"?
If all you saw was an ad hominem attack, and didn't understand the part about those being in power - and reaping the benefits utterly disproportionately to those who aren't in this society - bitching about being the true victims, you deserve an ad hominem attack yourself.
And yes, I missed a typo. Really good argument there, Sparky.
That's right folks, differences in ideological opinions ALWAYS permit flame wars!
No, only if you need personal attacks on women to promulgate your ridiculous ideas is it obvious to everyone else that you have run out of brainpower :)
Hmmm...that little description could easily encompass the whole of the entire Republican Party and their war on women. Just saying.
That certainly covers the war on women, although it is a bit of a stretch to claim that it covers half of the country, including a considerable number of women. But, facts aren't important here, we're not here to be objective, we're here to drum up identity hatred. Groupthink!
Maybe. Mostly just trying to be funny.
I have no ida about what you are talking about, and I suspect you don;t either.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/another-racial-crime-the-next-george-zimmermann/#comment-708428
I wouldn't expect you to remember the words that came out of your mouth. It is a common symptom in mental cases.
Did you mean to put an apostrophe instead of a semicolon in your last statement?
I remember my words. Yours are incomprehensible.
I made an attack on a racist utterance and the person who made it. I find racists contemptible. What does gender have to do with it?
Answer: nothing.
It is the same answer as to what's between your ears.
See? You can do it! You got all the grammatical boo-boos out that time! I'm giving you an A! I knew you could do it if you really put that enormous brain of yours to it!
I thought it would make you happy since form, rather than substance, is all you understand.
But see what's going on here? You can claim you don't care all you want to, but you changed the amount of attention you pay to your spelling and punctuation all for me, an anonymous troll. The fact that you changed proves you care.
No need to thank me, maybe that little bit of attention will help you succeed next time you print out a resume. Heck, maybe I'll be the one hiring you. At any rate, we have both improved.
AND, you haven't called anyone any names in like three whole posts now! I guess next time someone disagrees with you, you will start again, because old habits die hard, but short term improvement is better than no improvement. Maybe we'll double the amount of time, and then again, and so on, until you don't start ANY flame wars at all!
Won't that be something?
Then, we can say we have both done our part.
I really hate whiny racists, and will continue to use language as obscene as their attitudes. Racism is not a difference in view, it does not represent a simple disagreement. It is an affront to decency.
You have posted some very good things on these fora. I have no clue why you defend an overtly racist point of view.
I'm not. That's the point, I'm stirring the pot. One reason I am doing this is because you angrily claim I am defending the other point of view, when in all actuality, I am merely attacking your use of name calling and obscenities. I could care less what the other person said, if it wasn't a personal attack on you or someone else they probably didn't deserve to be called names. Even if they did deserve to be called names, what I said to you would more be an attack on you than it would be a defense of them. This whole mindset springs from the idea that there are only two sides to every issue, and every single person is on one side or the other only.
What good stuff have I posted? I can't think of any.
And why would you choose to attack me for using bad language in response to racism? The obscenity of racism cannot be matched by mere words.
Racist speech is hateful and it is evil and there isn't always a third way to look at something. There are no gray areas, no acceptable compromises with vile racist attitudes. It is ABSOLUTELY unacceptable.
How come this didn't make National News? I haven't heard anything on the news about it.
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Umm..in Michigan there have been whites attacked by mobs of blacks recently and nothing is in the media. Get bent stupid.